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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 14 2017 23:13 GMT
#781
If anyone is around and wants to talk, i'll be around for a while. Any and all questions welcome
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:20 GMT
#782
I am going to bed. after 1AM atm.
I think it is not a bad thing to look at disfo.

I just opened his filter and I don't think he is mafia. He and Xata have somewhat similar playstyles as town. Always very involved in the moment but not in a leadership kinda way. More like a right hand figure. But as mafia they can't bring the right hand figure thing like the snake guy in lord of the rings who whispered bad things in the king his ear.

So at this point disfo is doing that. Just a lot of noise on ongoing events but not leadership worthy things. Like he has so many comments on HF/Koshi related stuff. While Xatalos is not doing that at all. He is way more reserved about his talking topics, the best example is his complete lack of interest in HF/Koshi related stuff.

So I am still going to call disfo town and Xata potential scum.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2017 23:23 GMT
#783
On June 15 2017 02:45 disformation wrote:
hmm... seems ruxxar used to play some time ago / back in the day.
anyone got an idea how he used to play or something?
If he only played a few games and was fairly townbaity that might explain things...

database says:
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XI Town Vanilla Endgamed Day 4
[N] Mafia in the Himalayas Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6
[N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6
[S] Newbie Student Mafia XIII Town Vanilla Survived Day 4
[M][T] Tropical Storm Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Survived Night 2
[T] The New Personality Mafia Town LightningStrike Lynched Day 1

any of you guys remember him?

yeah. I was sure you also played with him though. Super tryhard dude as either alignment.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:25 GMT
#784
The above post second line was directed to darthfoley btw.
And you get all credit for those 3 scumreads because you singled them out way faster than I did.

Just match our reads with Vivax/rayn because they are on par with each other as well.

I think we 4 can be a pretty decent town circle atm.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2017 23:29 GMT
#785
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.

On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all

If you were not seeing the points against rayn at all, why did you feel the need to answer FF's question just before ?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:34 GMT
#786
##unvote
##vote Xatalos


I think I can see him flip mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2017 23:45 GMT
#787
On June 15 2017 06:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 06:00 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:14 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I also don't see why Ruxxar is mafia. More likely lynchbait.

It's not because somebody types things you think are weird/disagree with that he is mafia. You have to look at motive and the intention to solve the game within a person his capabilities.

^
This.

Now people are killing him because he said his top town read was Sicklucker.

Who is voting him for that reason?

That was the impression I got.

The closest I could find was you pressuring him over the read and other people calling him out for too easily believing SL's cop claim.

Looking over, the main reason people are scum reading him is over saying that he liked Disfo's post, which was kind of a strange post to like because it had no content.

But I don't think this is a bad response at all for the post that he made:

On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 16:32 Skynx wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

You like this post? Can you elaborate why or you just felt like posting?

Cuz he agrees that green is good, good shit there.
First post conf town, goos shit there.
Xata and HF both voted in same pattern but he sheeps one but doesn't understand the other??
Comment on DF is fine but he can easily back down from anything that soft so it doesn't really matter.

Very good post here.


It's not the content as much as the tone and structure.
Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern.

I'd give that a slight town read.


I don't think he's mafia. He has a confidence to his posts that I like.

He not only believed sl's cop claim (which was made a post after sl said the tl meta is to piss people off and get reads) he used the cop claim to say we should lynch into ever and then sl if ever comes up green.

He then has the inconsistency that koshi explained for him giving him an easy out. This is circumstantial of course and not that strong.

He then comes into the thread after a wagon has formed on koshi and says 'i read koshis filter he's scum' with no explanation until he was pressured into giving one.

He then (after the votes are on him) goes on to say that sicklucker who has like 4 posts with 0 content is his top town because scum wouldn't fake claim cop as though he hadn't noticed that everyone took it as a joke.


Exactly. Why would that be his gameplan as mafia?
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.


This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
I eagerly await your explanation of sicklucker as your top town. I understand phone posting is shitty so i will wait for a keyboard


This one is easy to explain.

Hard claiming cop with a positive scum read is suicide if you are mafia.

If in whatever circumstance eversince is exposed to be town, then sicklucker would be an autolynch.

I think that's a fast way to throw the game as mafia.

It's not a play I would make as mafia, therefore I think he is town.

All these 3 posts are more likely coming from a genuine townie than a mafia failing to blend in.

What you are not taking into account is that he is extremely townie as town. I played or obsed probably all his games and he was always super logical and always trying. Here he is not. Here he makes easy posts.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22302 Posts
June 14 2017 23:48 GMT
#788
Xatalos isn't mafia though.
Might explain how I read him if this gets too much traction.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2017 23:51 GMT
#789
My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince.
+ Show Spoiler +

ruxxar:
- "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it.
- buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible.

Skynx:
- good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it".

Koshi:
- didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad.
- called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad.
- good post on BTBT being bad
- a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere
- p35. Lock town.

disfo:
- pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check.
- had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around.

rayn:
- picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good.

Vivax:
- entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good.
- liking the annul's post I liked. Good.

BTDT:
- called Koshi town for no reason
- turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi
- townie posts though (p 21)

annul:
- calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good

DF:
- also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI.
- nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic.

Damdred:
- weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite.
- though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie.

FF:
- liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it.

Eversince:
- answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post.

Grack:
- weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good.

Xata:
- good post on ruxxar.

rayn:
- LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2017 23:53 GMT
#790
ruxxar if you're town you need to come and talk to me
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 15 2017 00:47 GMT
#791
Im here
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 15 2017 00:48 GMT
#792
On June 15 2017 08:45 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:07 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 06:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 06:00 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:39 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 05:14 Koshi wrote:
Anyway. I also don't see why Ruxxar is mafia. More likely lynchbait.

It's not because somebody types things you think are weird/disagree with that he is mafia. You have to look at motive and the intention to solve the game within a person his capabilities.

^
This.

Now people are killing him because he said his top town read was Sicklucker.

Who is voting him for that reason?

That was the impression I got.

The closest I could find was you pressuring him over the read and other people calling him out for too easily believing SL's cop claim.

Looking over, the main reason people are scum reading him is over saying that he liked Disfo's post, which was kind of a strange post to like because it had no content.

But I don't think this is a bad response at all for the post that he made:

On June 14 2017 22:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 16:32 Skynx wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

You like this post? Can you elaborate why or you just felt like posting?

Cuz he agrees that green is good, good shit there.
First post conf town, goos shit there.
Xata and HF both voted in same pattern but he sheeps one but doesn't understand the other??
Comment on DF is fine but he can easily back down from anything that soft so it doesn't really matter.

Very good post here.


It's not the content as much as the tone and structure.
Lighthearted tone with not too much polish/concern.

I'd give that a slight town read.


I don't think he's mafia. He has a confidence to his posts that I like.

He not only believed sl's cop claim (which was made a post after sl said the tl meta is to piss people off and get reads) he used the cop claim to say we should lynch into ever and then sl if ever comes up green.

He then has the inconsistency that koshi explained for him giving him an easy out. This is circumstantial of course and not that strong.

He then comes into the thread after a wagon has formed on koshi and says 'i read koshis filter he's scum' with no explanation until he was pressured into giving one.

He then (after the votes are on him) goes on to say that sicklucker who has like 4 posts with 0 content is his top town because scum wouldn't fake claim cop as though he hadn't noticed that everyone took it as a joke.


Exactly. Why would that be his gameplan as mafia?
On June 14 2017 15:57 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 15:38 disformation wrote:
good morning everyone!

omw to work yada yada etc.

agreeing with ruxxar that green colour is best colour.
dont understand why xata is voting rayn.
hf had first post so hes basically conf. town.
might sheep onto hoshi later.
df's "wooohooo" post sounded a bit fake, i conclude he still had a bad mood.

hrre is hoping for a slow day at work.


Strong first post. I like

On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:
On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.


This makes it real simple.
Lynch eversince.
If green, lynch sicklucker.

Guaranteed 1 scum down.

On June 15 2017 04:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
I eagerly await your explanation of sicklucker as your top town. I understand phone posting is shitty so i will wait for a keyboard


This one is easy to explain.

Hard claiming cop with a positive scum read is suicide if you are mafia.

If in whatever circumstance eversince is exposed to be town, then sicklucker would be an autolynch.

I think that's a fast way to throw the game as mafia.

It's not a play I would make as mafia, therefore I think he is town.

All these 3 posts are more likely coming from a genuine townie than a mafia failing to blend in.

What you are not taking into account is that he is extremely townie as town. I played or obsed probably all his games and he was always super logical and always trying. Here he is not. Here he makes easy posts.


This is true.
Other people also mentioned that I played nothing like my usual meta and thats fine.
My head hasnt been 100% in the game on day 1.
Mostly just skimming posts.
Tomorrow i have a goal to do some indepth studies and produce a thorough read list.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 15 2017 00:58 GMT
#793
rayn's rage post left a bad impression on me, i think the townreads for that are unwarranted. i don't know how to explain it exactly but his rage posts were more... focused, i think, when he was town, and this one was more rambling. like he decided to be angry about something and never changed the tone for the other parts.
good times for all
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
June 15 2017 01:15 GMT
#794
Now things are tough because the only people I listen to are Rayn and Tumblewood. A conundrum.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 15 2017 03:02 GMT
#795
On June 15 2017 08:51 Rels wrote:
My thoughts catching up. Will vote marv tomorrow if he still haven't posted. Otherwise ruxxar or Eversince.
+ Show Spoiler +

ruxxar:
- "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it.
- buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible.

Skynx:
- good first post on ruxxar's post where he said "I liked it".

Koshi:
- didn't understand Skynx' post on ruxxar when it was the best post in the thread yet. Uncharacteristic. Bad.
- called rayn's attack on bad disfo a defense. Bad.
- good post on BTBT being bad
- a Koshi town post "mm Vivax might be mafia" out of nowhere
- p35. Lock town.

disfo:
- pretty gullible. That's scummy. Bought SL's red check.
- had a throwaway read on Koshi, HF picked it up, and he had a weird reason to vote Koshi. Weird stuff all around.

rayn:
- picked up that above stuff on disfo. Good.

Vivax:
- entered the thread liking Skynx' post. Good.
- liking the annul's post I liked. Good.

BTDT:
- called Koshi town for no reason
- turned around on voting Koshi when he decided HF was serious on Koshi
- townie posts though (p 21)

annul:
- calling the HF vs Koshi as it is pretty likely to be (HF screwing around) => good

DF:
- also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI.
- nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic.

Damdred:
- weird that he starts playing calling some people scummy, when usually he's super unsure D1 and tries to build a "no-lynch" list rather than the opposite.
- though he's thinking about the game as a whole. Having a "rayn scum means Koshi no scum" mindset. Even though that mindset is bad, especially D1, it's townie.

FF:
- liking the question to ruxxar. Is evolving his read based on what's happening. Doubting too, then getting back to it.

Eversince:
- answering FF's questions about what are the things against rayn, then saying she doesn't see the things against rayn. Weird. Maybe scum and entered the thread with an answer to FF to have an easy good looking first post.

Grack:
- weird, against sentiment reads, but I can follow them. Good.

Xata:
- good post on ruxxar.

rayn:
- LOL butthurt defense in his huge post when it was 100% uneeded, just for the ego. Pretty likely town.


How can you say Xata has done nothing AI then commend me for making a convincing case on Xata being scum? Seems pretty contradictory
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 15 2017 03:05 GMT
#796
Anyone else wonder why Rels was like 24 town reads with caveats to every read? How can you call Xata's post on ruXxar "good' when he just copy and pasted what like 4 other people have already pointed out?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 15 2017 03:06 GMT
#797
On June 15 2017 08:48 Vivax wrote:
Xatalos isn't mafia though.
Might explain how I read him if this gets too much traction.


You're gonna have to enlighten me because i've seen nothing townie about his playstyle and pushes so far.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 15 2017 03:07 GMT
#798
Like how can Rels view my case on Xatalos as convincing and pretty good while also town reading Xatalos for a thread sentiment case on ruXxar?

Don't like Rels so far
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2017 03:23 GMT
#799
Koshi, if you think HF is town why is Xatalos' "uninterest" in talking about Koshi/HF scummy? I mean what do you see there? If he is scum and you two are not why would he not talk about it? Xatalos has a tendency to waffle from post to another (like in a post-what-comes-to-mind sort of way) as either alignment. Imo for him as mafia that would be a perfect topic to do what he usually does - and then get nowhere.

Also what's with the disfo read? I know very well disformation is super duper waffly as town aswell. But i am not talking about that in my read. I am more into the mindset of approaching certain situations. Its not "idk what to think" or "i change my mind" but rather the starting point of dealing with something is already completely off (as per what i said in my post yesterday).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2017 03:25 GMT
#800
On June 15 2017 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
Like how can Rels view my case on Xatalos as convincing and pretty good while also town reading Xatalos for a thread sentiment case on ruXxar?

Don't like Rels so far

I agree with this. I dont even agree with his "ruxxar looks super town when town" because ruxxar doesnt, early on.
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