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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 21:25 GMT
#741
If we combine reads and not lynch our townreads we probably would get far Vivax.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 21:26 GMT
#742
HF being cancer is nothing new. I am afk when he is in the thread. I'll quickly come back before bed.
I had a good night of sleep.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 14 2017 21:26 GMT
#743
On June 15 2017 06:13 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
You really think that amount of tonedeafness is towny koshi?

It's not townie, like it doesn't buy him towncred. I just believe it comes from a townie rather than a mafia. I don't like to say it like this but I will: He looks more like a newb being happy and trying to play to game, than a veteran mafia player pretending to be clueless and gathering activity and steering the thread in the wrong direction.

Now I don't know how a newb mafia player would play, but I don't think I have seen them play like Ruxxar is playing here.



And I saw he already has some games under his belt but I just don't see it atm.


This is the second time you are dead on explaining my actions. Almost as if you are reading my mind.

I get a very eerie feeling from this, chills down my back.

Either you have too much information and know I am town, therefore you can be so confident in your town read of me.

Or you are just damn good at reading me.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 14 2017 21:26 GMT
#744
On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101.


Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 14 2017 21:30 GMT
#745
On June 15 2017 06:26 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:13 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
You really think that amount of tonedeafness is towny koshi?

It's not townie, like it doesn't buy him towncred. I just believe it comes from a townie rather than a mafia. I don't like to say it like this but I will: He looks more like a newb being happy and trying to play to game, than a veteran mafia player pretending to be clueless and gathering activity and steering the thread in the wrong direction.

Now I don't know how a newb mafia player would play, but I don't think I have seen them play like Ruxxar is playing here.



And I saw he already has some games under his belt but I just don't see it atm.


This is the second time you are dead on explaining my actions. Almost as if you are reading my mind.

I get a very eerie feeling from this, chills down my back.

Either you have too much information and know I am town, therefore you can be so confident in your town read of me.

Or you are just damn good at reading me.


Being townread is scary when you know you're being a scummy duck?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:32 GMT
#746
On June 15 2017 06:26 Koshi wrote:
HF being cancer is nothing new. I am afk when he is in the thread. I'll quickly come back before bed.


Nothing to do with you, precious. Talking about ever.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:32 GMT
#747
On June 15 2017 06:26 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101.


Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel?


When did she do that? She said I'm setting up rayn for a shit fight to come.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:33 GMT
#748
On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all


Does this look like parroting vivax?

Terrible.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:35 GMT
#749
On June 15 2017 03:42 Eversince wrote:
Everything I remember reading stems from the mafia/3p banter.
Then tunneling onto the fact he's not been here.

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so!


It's just now been 16 hours. I'm going to need a stronger case then "He's not being vocal and leading the town while he's 90% afk! He must be mafia!". That also makes me really question on why people seem to be having such a hard time with point 1. He might just of been skimming to keep somewhat up-to-date. He said he'd explain it and I am worried this will turn into a bickering match instead of that happening.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:35 GMT
#750
Like if you're going to scum read someone at least pretend you've read what they write? Even a little bit.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 14 2017 21:36 GMT
#751
On June 15 2017 06:30 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:26 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 06:13 Koshi wrote:
On June 15 2017 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
You really think that amount of tonedeafness is towny koshi?

It's not townie, like it doesn't buy him towncred. I just believe it comes from a townie rather than a mafia. I don't like to say it like this but I will: He looks more like a newb being happy and trying to play to game, than a veteran mafia player pretending to be clueless and gathering activity and steering the thread in the wrong direction.

Now I don't know how a newb mafia player would play, but I don't think I have seen them play like Ruxxar is playing here.



And I saw he already has some games under his belt but I just don't see it atm.


This is the second time you are dead on explaining my actions. Almost as if you are reading my mind.

I get a very eerie feeling from this, chills down my back.

Either you have too much information and know I am town, therefore you can be so confident in your town read of me.

Or you are just damn good at reading me.


Being townread is scary when you know you're being a scummy duck?


Not scary, weird.

His read seems to be at odds with a lot of people, and it's interesting that with the noose closing in at his neck, he doesn't join the wagon on me which probably would spell my death.

If it wasn't for koshi defending me, I feel like I would be the primary lynch target.

That's how I read the general thread sentiment.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
June 14 2017 21:37 GMT
#752
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi.
The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.


This is the last reply you get from me HF cause you're not being productive.
She literally copied what you said about rayn when it's very debatable that it constituted a defense.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 14 2017 21:38 GMT
#753
First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).

Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.

Then there is this:
On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.

I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet.

Another dude suspicious is disformation. First there is the Koshi thing where disformation basically went like "i agree this post is scummy but let me decide later after Koshi posts more if this post is actually scummy or not". That's fucking bullshit. You either think some post makes someone scum (if you call a post scummy) or you dont. A post doesn't become more scummy AFTER person has posted SOMETHING ELSE. That's a huge leap of logic, basically saying post A is scummy (or not) based on to-be-come-posts B and C.

Another thing that raises my eyebrows is this:
On June 14 2017 22:22 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:20 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar

Yeah. Why not.

oh right, the other dude who hasnt answered a good question asked of/to/from/of him


What does disformation actually wanna do this game? Apparently his top scum read (or 3p read, i don't even fucking know) votes for someone who hasn't posted basically anything. disformation decides that "because Palmar didn't do something when he wasn't here" he might be scummy. wooo woooo! And people call this dude one of their top town reads. What has he actually done despite being here a lot and posting a lot? What a joke.




Fecalfeast is likely town. I liked the approach to darthfoley's opening from him. I recall FF being more "serious" from get go as mafia, at least the last game i played with him. It's like he wasn't trying to make anything out of nothing (which DF's "inconsistency" pretty much was).

Tumblewood on the other hand didn't care to answer me afaik. Well now it doesn't matter, since it was about his comment on DF. Now i wont get anything out of it anyways so i have to judge him later. I didn't like how he approached the DF opening.

Xatalos is again being super antagonizing towards me. Can't fucking see the obvious while we have talked about this very same thing after basically every game where he decides to tunnel me (which is 100% of the last 2 yr games...). Unfortunately i think he's town though, i don't really think he would have this approach towards me (agreeing with HF based on fucking bullshit points) if he was mafia, since there is a chance i blow up on him and with certain people in the game ther ARE people who can see what is bullshit and what is not. I think he just genuinely believes in what he says about me, so to the ignorelist.

Skynx is most likely town. No need to repeat what others have said.

Vivax is so far the most level headed person in the game. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but he is town.

Palmar is most likely town for making the correct read (that he should make) there. I mean it's not even unlikely he would make the Vivax town read as mafia but given the game stance at the point i would think he would have more interest in calling me mafia and whatever i say paint it as "well you can't read me", just to fuck with me.

VayneAuthority is town.

btdt feels town. Idk he feels like he is just all over the place and completely lost in what he should think. Basically i jsut don't think he has a team behind him.

I don't think Koshi is mafia. Holyflare could be right in that he is 3p but i don't care about it right now. I think he has some smart posts. That's enough for me for now.

Damdred reads meehh... I gotta revisit his filter tomorrow. I am getting too tired today. I don't remember anything annul said, could be mafia. I don't know why people townread darthfoley, because i don't see any good posts from him that i remember. Another one to revisit tomorrow. Everyone else i don't remember anything about basically if they have posted.




I didn't even think i need to say this but don't be retarded and think someone is mafia because of what they didn't do when they weren't here. Think with your own brain and don't buy Holyflare's bullshit (yes man, that's fucking bullshit - a lot of what you said is just straight out bullshit regardless of your affiliation and regardless of if you even realize it or not). Think with your own brain.

I have a hard time dealing with being called out by half of the game because i happened to have to work 5:30 - 23:30 and some dumbass misconstrued what i said into fit his "this guy is scum" -narrative. I just don't like it, but i am trying to deal with it. Now excuse me i need to take a shower and wake up in 4 hours to work possibly only 14 hours. Fortunately i don't have to decide who to vote for until tomorrow evening.

peace
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:39 GMT
#754
On June 15 2017 06:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi.
The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.


This is the last reply you get from me HF cause you're not being productive.
She literally copied what you said about rayn when it's very debatable that it constituted a defense.


You're so absolutely full of shit!

You state she parrots my read like gospel, you find one quote where she outlines "the case" and ignore the seven others where she says she doesn't agree, she doesn't like it, she thinks she can smell a shit fight coming and then call her mafia.

And then you say I'm not being productive that you got called out on bull shit?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:44 GMT
#755
Let me just be real fucking clear. I made all the early game posts as conversation starters. I didn't truly believe koshi was 3p, I just semi believed it enough to make a small push case and get conversations going because nobody was doing shit and getting koshi to be productive isn't a bad thing. The follow up after is semi-legit in that I think his reads are super surface level bull shit.

I don't truly think rayn is mafia like he's implying I think either. I think his "defence" post was bad because it should have been really obvious I was just pushing koshi for conversation (apparently it wasn't) and that line stuck out to me as being wrong in the context of discussion.

Now that's cleared up maybe we can move on.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 14 2017 21:45 GMT
#756
If I was one of the people who hasn't posted yet/since the start of the game I would be so discouraged to read all this shit.

If there are any lurkers out there just say hi and post any thoughts you may have had even if you've only been skimming.
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 21:47 GMT
#757
Fecalfeast why does vivax say Ever has been parroting my rayn read like gospel but she hasn't done that once?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
June 14 2017 21:54 GMT
#758
On June 15 2017 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
I don't truly think rayn is mafia like he's implying I think either. I think his "defence" post was bad because it should have been really obvious I was just pushing koshi for conversation (apparently it wasn't) and that line stuck out to me as being wrong in the context of discussion.

Hopefully you got some super good reads out of that and i will hear about them tomorrow, otherwise you just have succesfully wasted half of D1 into nothing...

Now sleepytime.
table for two on a tv tray
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 22:05 GMT
#759
On June 15 2017 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:44 Holyflare wrote:
I don't truly think rayn is mafia like he's implying I think either. I think his "defence" post was bad because it should have been really obvious I was just pushing koshi for conversation (apparently it wasn't) and that line stuck out to me as being wrong in the context of discussion.

Hopefully you got some super good reads out of that and i will hear about them tomorrow, otherwise you just have succesfully wasted half of D1 into nothing...

Now sleepytime.


How did I waste any time? I made no vote on you and people responded to it in a rather lackluster fashion which I can't be bothered to read. Simple thing is that it gave lots of posts and information and if you're town then even more so for you because people were sheeping it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
June 14 2017 22:09 GMT
#760
Anyway regardless I kind of agree with your disfo post even if we did agree on many things. He has a lot of throwaway one liner reads with no reasoning attached that I don't like.
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