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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 14 2017 22:13 GMT
#761
On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101.

quick, plead the 5th
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 14 2017 22:13 GMT
#762
Rayn has about 80% possibility of being town.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 22:14 GMT
#763
Did vivax run away?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22147 Posts
June 14 2017 22:16 GMT
#764
On June 15 2017 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
Did vivax run away?


If you want me to engage with you, you have to post townreads cause I'm not getting pestered by you sticking up for eversince when you don't have a read on me.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 14 2017 22:16 GMT
#765
If I ever need to actually figure rayn out I guess I can just find a way to royally piss him off so he self-confirms in a rage.
Computer says mafia
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 14 2017 22:17 GMT
#766
On June 15 2017 06:47 Holyflare wrote:
Fecalfeast why does vivax say Ever has been parroting my rayn read like gospel but she hasn't done that once?

Uhh what

I'm not vivax and I don't know how to read
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 14 2017 22:19 GMT
#767
I could possibly kill sicklucker. The upside is large as nothing he has said looks townie. The "I'm just trying to trigger ppls lulz" post is kinda bad actually. The downside is small as he's anti-town no matter his alignment late game because he's just not very good at this game.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 14 2017 22:19 GMT
#768
I've now clicked 3 filters, and read one post by rayn. I think I deserve a good night's rest now.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 22:20 GMT
#769
On June 15 2017 07:16 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
Did vivax run away?


If you want me to engage with you, you have to post townreads cause I'm not getting pestered by you sticking up for eversince when you don't have a read on me.


Like this is quite literally nothing to do with sticking up for eversince and instead is getting a read on you.

You state one of your biggest scum reads in the game is eversince because she copies the thread and parrots what I say and basically has no ideas of her own AND treats my rayn read like gospel.

When in fact:

The one post you quoted is in reference to a question on why people are interested in rayn.

She says she doesn't like the read and doesn't agree.

She forms her own opinion on koshi based on his response to me. Which was absolutely the best response. My push should be scummy to koshi.

She thinks I'm posting and looking for shit fights and rayn is next one.


None of those things say anything about parroting the thread, following my rayn read like gospel or being sideline.

So why do you say it when she's yoir biggest scum read?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 22:23 GMT
#770
Your biggest scum read, or at least most mentioned one, is factually false vivax. So, did you get it wrong and misremember or are you maintaining it's still the case that she's doing those things?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2017 22:23 GMT
#771
my motivation reading everything is very low. But I'm doing it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 22:27 GMT
#772
I didn't even know you were in the game
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 14 2017 22:27 GMT
#773
On June 15 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
my motivation reading everything is very low. But I'm doing it

sucker, just read almost nothing like I do.
Computer says mafia
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
June 14 2017 22:34 GMT
#774
I'm sensing a lot of salt in the vicinity of Palmar.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9855 Posts
June 14 2017 22:36 GMT
#775
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 14 2017 22:36 GMT
#776
On June 15 2017 07:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
my motivation reading everything is very low. But I'm doing it

sucker, just read almost nothing like I do.

surprisingly people lynch me when I do that
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
June 14 2017 22:39 GMT
#777
On June 15 2017 07:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 07:27 Palmar wrote:
On June 15 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
my motivation reading everything is very low. But I'm doing it

sucker, just read almost nothing like I do.

surprisingly people lynch me when I do that

They lynch me when I try, they lynch me when I don't.

It's just life man.
Computer says mafia
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 22:59 GMT
#778
On June 15 2017 06:35 Holyflare wrote:
Like if you're going to scum read someone at least pretend you've read what they write? Even a little bit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 23:04 GMT
#779
On June 15 2017 06:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
First of all everyone (since there are like 10 or so people) who think i in any way defended Koshi are fucking retarded. "This post doesn't make Koshi scum" is not "Koshi is town", never has been, and never will be, except for in Holyflare's intentional or unintentional miscontrues of finding scummy narratives to what people said and twisting them to something that it never was. Unfortunately apparently like half of the fucking TL Mafia is dumb enough to actually agree with him on shit like that. I know he does that as mafia, and that is not the only case he has done it this game. I don't have enough games with him as him boing town lately to know if he has become such a shitty player he can be town here. So i am just gonna ignore him until he posts something that makes sense (no, the case on Koshi is not good).

Secondly, the people who want to hunt for 3rd parties are usually mafia. I couldn't give less fucks at the start of the game who is a 3rd party. Because i want to lynch mafia. Fortunately, for mafia, the possible existence of 3p's allows them to genuinely "scumhunt", as in the only way to do so. Another red flag for Holyflare.

Then there is this:
On June 14 2017 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
That's called a dead end. No mafia, no push.

I understand the concept of generating discussion. I don't understand the concept of calling someone mafia because they don't have a clear mafia read or push when like fucking half of the game hasn't even checked in / made a meaningful post yet.

Another dude suspicious is disformation. First there is the Koshi thing where disformation basically went like "i agree this post is scummy but let me decide later after Koshi posts more if this post is actually scummy or not". That's fucking bullshit. You either think some post makes someone scum (if you call a post scummy) or you dont. A post doesn't become more scummy AFTER person has posted SOMETHING ELSE. That's a huge leap of logic, basically saying post A is scummy (or not) based on to-be-come-posts B and C.

Another thing that raises my eyebrows is this:
On June 14 2017 22:22 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 22:20 Koshi wrote:
##unvote
##vote Palmar

Yeah. Why not.

oh right, the other dude who hasnt answered a good question asked of/to/from/of him


What does disformation actually wanna do this game? Apparently his top scum read (or 3p read, i don't even fucking know) votes for someone who hasn't posted basically anything. disformation decides that "because Palmar didn't do something when he wasn't here" he might be scummy. wooo woooo! And people call this dude one of their top town reads. What has he actually done despite being here a lot and posting a lot? What a joke.




Fecalfeast is likely town. I liked the approach to darthfoley's opening from him. I recall FF being more "serious" from get go as mafia, at least the last game i played with him. It's like he wasn't trying to make anything out of nothing (which DF's "inconsistency" pretty much was).

Tumblewood on the other hand didn't care to answer me afaik. Well now it doesn't matter, since it was about his comment on DF. Now i wont get anything out of it anyways so i have to judge him later. I didn't like how he approached the DF opening.

Xatalos is again being super antagonizing towards me. Can't fucking see the obvious while we have talked about this very same thing after basically every game where he decides to tunnel me (which is 100% of the last 2 yr games...). Unfortunately i think he's town though, i don't really think he would have this approach towards me (agreeing with HF based on fucking bullshit points) if he was mafia, since there is a chance i blow up on him and with certain people in the game ther ARE people who can see what is bullshit and what is not. I think he just genuinely believes in what he says about me, so to the ignorelist.

Skynx is most likely town. No need to repeat what others have said.

Vivax is so far the most level headed person in the game. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but he is town.

Palmar is most likely town for making the correct read (that he should make) there. I mean it's not even unlikely he would make the Vivax town read as mafia but given the game stance at the point i would think he would have more interest in calling me mafia and whatever i say paint it as "well you can't read me", just to fuck with me.

VayneAuthority is town.

btdt feels town. Idk he feels like he is just all over the place and completely lost in what he should think. Basically i jsut don't think he has a team behind him.

I don't think Koshi is mafia. Holyflare could be right in that he is 3p but i don't care about it right now. I think he has some smart posts. That's enough for me for now.

Damdred reads meehh... I gotta revisit his filter tomorrow. I am getting too tired today. I don't remember anything annul said, could be mafia. I don't know why people townread darthfoley, because i don't see any good posts from him that i remember. Another one to revisit tomorrow. Everyone else i don't remember anything about basically if they have posted.




I didn't even think i need to say this but don't be retarded and think someone is mafia because of what they didn't do when they weren't here. Think with your own brain and don't buy Holyflare's bullshit (yes man, that's fucking bullshit - a lot of what you said is just straight out bullshit regardless of your affiliation and regardless of if you even realize it or not). Think with your own brain.

I have a hard time dealing with being called out by half of the game because i happened to have to work 5:30 - 23:30 and some dumbass misconstrued what i said into fit his "this guy is scum" -narrative. I just don't like it, but i am trying to deal with it. Now excuse me i need to take a shower and wake up in 4 hours to work possibly only 14 hours. Fortunately i don't have to decide who to vote for until tomorrow evening.

peace

Oh goodie. I am going to scrap rayn of my list. Almost the same reads as I have. And he is on ok with Vivax his disfo read. I didn't pay enough attention to disfo tbh. But yeah, he is 100% in my blindspot. I will reread disfo tomorrow.


3)Palmar
4)Rels
12)Xatalos
13)AMG
14)marvellosity
15)Grackaroni
18)annul
20)sicklucker
22)Eversince

I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
June 14 2017 23:12 GMT
#780
I'm actually really down with Koshi's three scum reads ATM. Xatalos hasn't changed my mind with his most recent posts. I asked him what he made of the game, and basically regurgitated the case on ruXxar as his only scum read worth mentioning. This was after like 3-5 people had cased ruXxar and cited the same posts Xata used.

This post also sits badly in my stomach. The bolded just feels like an unnatural/aggressive way to claim having an original idea (Which is something mafia often struggle with, and something I think Xatalos has struggled with in this game so far).

On June 15 2017 04:05 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
Who was saying the koshi wagon is too fast? It has 5 fucking votes on it.


I think I said that first? And FF too at some point?

Anyways, he does actually have 6 votes already with no true challenger. I thought it was 7 but apparently I was wrong. This doesn't mean he can't be 3P, at all, but it feels like he's sinking a bit too easily if scum.


I also really like Koshi's description of Grack's play. He hasn't ventured into any unknown territory. He casually sort-of threw out one scum read on me, never defended it.

On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


That's super generic, and not even an honest representation of my play so far IMO. I don't think i've blended at all. I just see no drive to scum hunt-- at all.

No idea why people are town reading annul tbh. His last post particularly stuck out to me. I actually concluded the opposite thing from reading ruXxar's post

On June 15 2017 05:46 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:48 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:41 Fecalfeast wrote:
I eagerly await your explanation of sicklucker as your top town. I understand phone posting is shitty so i will wait for a keyboard


This one is easy to explain.

Hard claiming cop with a positive scum read is suicide if you are mafia.

If in whatever circumstance eversince is exposed to be town, then sicklucker would be an autolynch.

I think that's a fast way to throw the game as mafia.

It's not a play I would make as mafia, therefore I think he is town.


im down for a ruxxar lynch as a result of this post btw


That seems like townie/rusty player logic. Plus it still doesn't sit right with me how annul ignored HF v. Rayn v. Koshi so to speak when they're the drivers of conversation and it was the biggest topic of conversation at the time.

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