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Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
June 15 2017 05:17 GMT
#801
lazy townread for vivax for trying to "protect" his way of reading xata
good times for all
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 05:18 GMT
#802
rayn: What exactly did you refer to with "I dont think what you and him said makes Koshi mafia."? Because at that point HF's case(?) was basically this: "3P doesn't have a game plan because they dunno who to side with yet. Aka you are 3p. Aka lynch koshbagmcgoo." (Note how he didn't say anything about HF being scummy, just a continuation to the earlier 3P thingy by disfo I think)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2017 05:39 GMT
#803
On June 15 2017 14:18 Xatalos wrote:
rayn: What exactly did you refer to with "I dont think what you and him said makes Koshi mafia."? Because at that point HF's case(?) was basically this: "3P doesn't have a game plan because they dunno who to side with yet. Aka you are 3p. Aka lynch koshbagmcgoo." (Note how he didn't say anything about HF being scummy, just a continuation to the earlier 3P thingy by disfo I think)

When i made my post i had read HF's "koshi opener isnt town, he is not happy" -case. Thats what HF was pushing for at the time (at least from what i read) and went with the "sheep me onto Koshi" route.

I was only referring to Koshis first post, because that was afaik the only post Koshi has made at that point.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 05:39 GMT
#804
Wasn't annul like a real long-term veteran? Compared to that, he seems so unmotivated. His votes are just following the latest fad in the voting thread, and there isn't really anything there besides that. Certainly a possibly scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2017 05:40 GMT
#805
I can post my thought process tonight regarding that in case it is not clear.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 05:44 GMT
#806
I'd like if you could quote the mentioned posts and stuff. Really hard to play on my phone at work.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 06:15 GMT
#807
I mean I have absolutely no idea how nobody has mentioned this vivax thing I brought up.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 06:16 GMT
#808
On June 15 2017 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 07:16 Vivax wrote:
On June 15 2017 07:14 Holyflare wrote:
Did vivax run away?


If you want me to engage with you, you have to post townreads cause I'm not getting pestered by you sticking up for eversince when you don't have a read on me.


Like this is quite literally nothing to do with sticking up for eversince and instead is getting a read on you.

You state one of your biggest scum reads in the game is eversince because she copies the thread and parrots what I say and basically has no ideas of her own AND treats my rayn read like gospel.

When in fact:

The one post you quoted is in reference to a question on why people are interested in rayn.

She says she doesn't like the read and doesn't agree.

She forms her own opinion on koshi based on his response to me. Which was absolutely the best response. My push should be scummy to koshi.

She thinks I'm posting and looking for shit fights and rayn is next one.


None of those things say anything about parroting the thread, following my rayn read like gospel or being sideline.

So why do you say it when she's yoir biggest scum read?


On June 15 2017 07:23 Holyflare wrote:
Your biggest scum read, or at least most mentioned one, is factually false vivax. So, did you get it wrong and misremember or are you maintaining it's still the case that she's doing those things?

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 06:17 GMT
#809
The guy's list of scum reads is forced as fuck and based on points that don't exist in this game.

He's also uncharacteristically not calling me mafia for calling him out.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
June 15 2017 06:24 GMT
#810
On June 15 2017 14:44 Xatalos wrote:
I'd like if you could quote the mentioned posts and stuff. Really hard to play on my phone at work.

I will when i finish work.

Holyflare i sill read your Vivax stuff too in the first place when i get home. I am following the game on any breaks i can but im not gonna even try to write any in depth posts on phone.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 06:39 GMT
#811
On June 15 2017 04:42 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
[quote]

Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
[quote]
btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.


Look at me as much as you like, but why?

I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in.


I like your attitude.

I think EverSince falls into that category and whats aggravating is that she took what HF said about rayn at face value (which can happen when you skim and just copy other peoples opinions).


Eversince jumped up the scum charts quickly since she claimed to be caught up but I think she copied a lot of the thread instead of getting some own opinion. IE the part where she just repeats what HF said.


On June 15 2017 06:26 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote:
Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101.


Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel?


On June 15 2017 06:37 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi.
The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.


This is the last reply you get from me HF cause you're not being productive.
She literally copied what you said about rayn when it's very debatable that it constituted a defense.



1. She "parrots" what I say because someone asked once what the "case" against rayn was.

2. She never agrees, she in fact disagrees.

3. She forms independent reads.

Does this look anything like vivax said?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 06:39 GMT
#812
Could you quote where Vivax says those things HF? Sorry it's hard to filter. I do vaguely remember he said that "gospel" thing though and it doesn't seem to match what ever said.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 06:40 GMT
#813
Now that you can clearly see it's not what her filter looks like at all then just realise this is Vivax's biggest scum read. He's too clinical this game without the bite and tinfoil of his town game.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 06:40 GMT
#814
On June 15 2017 15:39 Xatalos wrote:
Could you quote where Vivax says those things HF? Sorry it's hard to filter. I do vaguely remember he said that "gospel" thing though and it doesn't seem to match what ever said.


Above
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 06:42 GMT
#815
Oh, ninja'd.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 06:43 GMT
#816
Yeah, I can see what you're getting at. Relevant posts from ever would be nice too though?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 06:45 GMT
#817
Hm yeah seems Ever referenced the case on rayn, but disagreed with it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 15 2017 06:45 GMT
#818
Pretty far from "gospel"
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 15 2017 06:47 GMT
#819
On June 15 2017 03:34 Eversince wrote:
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all


First mention of read, doesn't agree with case.

On June 15 2017 03:42 Eversince wrote:
Everything I remember reading stems from the mafia/3p banter.
Then tunneling onto the fact he's not been here.

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Anyways, work time now. See you guys in 16 hours or so!


It's just now been 16 hours. I'm going to need a stronger case then "He's not being vocal and leading the town while he's 90% afk! He must be mafia!". That also makes me really question on why people seem to be having such a hard time with point 1. He might just of been skimming to keep somewhat up-to-date. He said he'd explain it and I am worried this will turn into a bickering match instead of that happening.


Questions people's reads.

On June 15 2017 04:41 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:21 Koshi wrote:
and you are town. There is no way you keep kicking somebody you know is not mafia.


Assuming your town why would this be? Even if you're 3p I'm not sure how you'd come to that conclusion.
That is entirely what mafia would do. It's the only option they have. They know who is not mafia so kicking not mafia is their only option to win. Kind of in their win-con.

This is causing me to tin foil a lot and I was trying to wait on a response before I mentioned it. HF pushing hard on you, having no real problem with lynching Rayn, pocketing? easy 'town reads' (after reading up I suspect if I had been around last night alls I would needed to do would have been pop in, vote you, chat a bit and got labeled town ez for at least this cycle.) This is all town motivated in your mind? Commence fight/kill off the 3p Koshi, engage bonus shit fight with Rayn, enjoy town chaos from glorious golden throne as city burns.

The last half of my scenario hasn't happened yet. But I would be lying if the thought hasn't crossed my mind. But you're an easy target because you do produce weak reads. You haven't got anyone aside from Palmar? as a possible mafia. And you'd rather quit and get lynched than play. I don't think you're mafia. So that would make you martyr town or 3p. One might be good/bad for town. The prior is only ever bad for town. But it's easy to see why you're being pushed.


Calls out koshi's bs read. She doesn't agree with the rayn points, looks like a shit fight is going to happen and I've been shit fighting with koshi. Says that's what is happening and that's my scum meta so why is it that Koshi jumps to me instantly being town? Good post.


She still could be mafia though :D in fact quite likely but the fact vivax is posting this nonsense about her rayn read is so bs. It shows he doesn't care about finding mafia because he simply doesn't know what his own main reads are doing.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 15 2017 06:53 GMT
#820
Ok so I'm starting on my filterdives.
I'll just go down the player list and make up my opinion:

Darthfoley: strong town.

- not afraid to stick his neck out.
- doesn't need to follow thread sentiment, makes up his own mind
- persistent in his views on xata and not afraid to bring it up time and again when he could just be silent going under the radar.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
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