[N] TL Mafia LXXV - Page 107

On June 15 2017 08:12 darthfoley wrote:
I'm actually really down with Koshi's three scum reads ATM. Xatalos hasn't changed my mind with his most recent posts. I asked him what he made of the game, and basically regurgitated the case on ruXxar as his only scum read worth mentioning. This was after like 3-5 people had cased ruXxar and cited the same posts Xata used.

This post also sits badly in my stomach. The bolded just feels like an unnatural/aggressive way to claim having an original idea (Which is something mafia often struggle with, and something I think Xatalos has struggled with in this game so far).



I also really like Koshi's description of Grack's play. He hasn't ventured into any unknown territory. He casually sort-of threw out one scum read on me, never defended it.



That's super generic, and not even an honest representation of my play so far IMO. I don't think i've blended at all. I just see no drive to scum hunt-- at all.

No idea why people are town reading annul tbh. His last post particularly stuck out to me. I actually concluded the opposite thing from reading ruXxar's post



That seems like townie/rusty player logic. Plus it still doesn't sit right with me how annul ignored HF v. Rayn v. Koshi so to speak when they're the drivers of conversation and it was the biggest topic of conversation at the time.

On June 15 2017 23:43 Skynx wrote:
What I get from Xata is that he's around but just chilling.

He seems to be pretty mixed up in the whole me calling out ruxxar and followup from there thing, eventually voting ruxxar deeming there is enough stuff on him. + Show Spoiler + This is all fine.

What's not fine is that he's not revealing ANYTHING at all. I mean there are absolutely no reads other than ruxxar. He has a 3 page filter but not a list, one scumread, no townreads. Lets say he lasts a few days and D3 we analyze him, his D1 will look like he did nothing while being around all the time and having a 3 page filter. This is kinda worse than Palmar.


For example here you can see him pretending to be interested but instead of "hey x why do you think Koshi is mafia?" we get the bolded, and no follow up. Filter is pretty much just thoughts like this.


He's following the game, but no thoughts on the situation. If you're kinda null, just tell. If you think rayn is town at least say so, don't have to defend him maybe but it will prompt people to ask you questions and so on.

He is playing a pretty risk-free game. Props to DF for spotting him earlier on, very lynchable.

On June 16 2017 08:55 disformation wrote:
wait wait wait...
dodnt someone say he would expect more from annul given his reputation?
how can that be true if annul is the hmguy who gets day1 lynched akl the time?

On June 16 2017 02:14 Xatalos wrote:
I can't be online much until EOD today.. I think I'll be online like 1-2 hours before the deadline and then just have to sleep. Anyways, here are my main reads so far (some people have posted nothing / barely anything so they've been basically ignored in my memory, who knows, would be dice rolling on them).

1) ruxxar: Has a decent amount of posts, but mostly they've been red flags or questionable at best. No spirit of scumhunting so far, just random comments with unbelievable reasoning (like "strong first post!" -> "I didn't like the content, it was just townily unpolished" - ask yourself, does this sound like an excuse thought after the fact of posting a random comment or a genuine thought process? how is it "strong" if it's townily bad?, very, very meh).

2) rayn: Can still easily be scum. He's a very sneaky scum, and I'm still quite confused by his Koshi commentary. Hope he'll explain that soon(TM).

3) annul: I'd have expected so much more after hearing about his reputation (although it seems to be years ago). There's just nothing to write home about in his filter. Nothing extremely scummy, but just no scumhunting, pushing the thread forward or anything. More like reluctant sideline commentary on some things he picked to comment about, things he could easily do as scum and should've done more than that as town.

4) Koshi: Not really sold on him being our best lynch. There was just nothing that I saw screamed "lynch now!", only slightly concerning points in a large amount of activity. TBH some of the discussions on Koshi have went over my head too as I've been reading the game very lacklusterly from my phone etc. In any case, when someone referenced the Koshi case to me earlier it didn't really cause me to want to vote for him.

4) FF: I'd say town. I just had a pleasant feeling reading his posts since the start, felt like he posted what he actually wanted to say and it made sense.

5) HF: Probably town too. Even if he exaggerates a bit in his cases, he's pushing the game forward and doing stuff all the time. Apparently it's also been his intention to generate discussion with stronger than usual pushes. Just feels more like a town game plan to hyper push and focus the attention on himself and his surroundings. As scum there would be easier targets for that than Koshi or rayn or Vivax etc. too, if the intention was to get people mislynched.

6) Vivax: I think what I liked about him earlier was his meta read on me. It felt honest rather than trying to just curry my favor or alternatively spread suspicion on me. Well, I may be biased Vivax, my main problem with you when I read you sometime today was this post:



...because, even if you called him out on misrepresenting things, that's one of the more blatant misrepresentations in the game in itself. Ever did not in fact ever "parrot" HF. He just referenced the case on rayn when asked, even though he clearly said he disagreed with it. That's far from parroting, it's the opposite.

That's still bothering me. Not sure if it means scum or town Vivax yet though, I think it's not possible to come from either.

7) Eversince: unrelated to that, he is somewhat lackluster. Not fair to say he's "parroting" or "not having original thoughts" though. Clearly that's false. There are original thoughts in his filter, there's just so little of any content there. Conclusion: ???

Rest: no strong opinions one way or another. This might change if I had time to read their filters, but now I'll have to go for some time.

So yeah, ruxxar/annul seem like our best bets today overall.

On June 17 2017 08:11 Blazinghand wrote:
can someone explain xatalos to me, like a summary of the case or a link to the best case, thanks

On June 17 2017 08:12 sicklucker wrote:
its really weird that mafia shot hf tho. esp since i blatantly said I was shooting him