will def spend some time to flesh out other reads though.
would really suck to have a dead cycle -.-
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 23:09 GMT
#2121
will def spend some time to flesh out other reads though. would really suck to have a dead cycle -.- | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
June 16 2017 23:09 GMT
#2122
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 23:10 GMT
#2123
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Blazinghand
United States25545 Posts
June 16 2017 23:11 GMT
#2124
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
June 16 2017 23:11 GMT
#2125
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 23:11 GMT
#2126
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 16 2017 23:12 GMT
#2127
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Blazinghand
United States25545 Posts
June 16 2017 23:12 GMT
#2128
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
June 16 2017 23:12 GMT
#2129
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 23:13 GMT
#2130
On June 17 2017 08:11 Blazinghand wrote: can someone explain xatalos to me, like a summary of the case or a link to the best case, thanks ZzZzzzZZzzzz... On June 17 2017 01:27 disformation wrote: the two bigish posts on xata i remember: Show nested quote + On June 15 2017 08:12 darthfoley wrote: I'm actually really down with Koshi's three scum reads ATM. Xatalos hasn't changed my mind with his most recent posts. I asked him what he made of the game, and basically regurgitated the case on ruXxar as his only scum read worth mentioning. This was after like 3-5 people had cased ruXxar and cited the same posts Xata used. This post also sits badly in my stomach. The bolded just feels like an unnatural/aggressive way to claim having an original idea (Which is something mafia often struggle with, and something I think Xatalos has struggled with in this game so far). On June 15 2017 04:05 Xatalos wrote: On June 15 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote: Who was saying the koshi wagon is too fast? It has 5 fucking votes on it. I think I said that first? And FF too at some point? Anyways, he does actually have 6 votes already with no true challenger. I thought it was 7 but apparently I was wrong. This doesn't mean he can't be 3P, at all, but it feels like he's sinking a bit too easily if scum. I also really like Koshi's description of Grack's play. He hasn't ventured into any unknown territory. He casually sort-of threw out one scum read on me, never defended it. On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote: On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote: On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote: On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote: On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote: On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote: @xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote: On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote: [quote] Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote: [quote] btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote: [quote] Sure. This post: [quote] I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. That's super generic, and not even an honest representation of my play so far IMO. I don't think i've blended at all. I just see no drive to scum hunt-- at all. No idea why people are town reading annul tbh. His last post particularly stuck out to me. I actually concluded the opposite thing from reading ruXxar's post On June 15 2017 05:46 annul wrote: On June 15 2017 04:48 ruXxar wrote: On June 15 2017 04:41 Fecalfeast wrote: I eagerly await your explanation of sicklucker as your top town. I understand phone posting is shitty so i will wait for a keyboard This one is easy to explain. Hard claiming cop with a positive scum read is suicide if you are mafia. If in whatever circumstance eversince is exposed to be town, then sicklucker would be an autolynch. I think that's a fast way to throw the game as mafia. It's not a play I would make as mafia, therefore I think he is town. im down for a ruxxar lynch as a result of this post btw That seems like townie/rusty player logic. Plus it still doesn't sit right with me how annul ignored HF v. Rayn v. Koshi so to speak when they're the drivers of conversation and it was the biggest topic of conversation at the time. and Show nested quote + On June 15 2017 23:43 Skynx wrote: What I get from Xata is that he's around but just chilling. He seems to be pretty mixed up in the whole me calling out ruxxar and followup from there thing, eventually voting ruxxar deeming there is enough stuff on him. + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2017 03:44 Xatalos wrote: Show nested quote + On June 15 2017 03:35 darthfoley wrote: On June 15 2017 03:27 Xatalos wrote: On June 15 2017 03:15 darthfoley wrote: On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote: DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue? And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler". Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion. @ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it. Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those.. Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress). I'm more interested in hearing what you make of the game and its players at this point, now that you've caught up. Fair enough. At this point I mainly dislike ruxxar and rayn - mixed on Koshi. I've already talked about rayn/Koshi so here's some points about ruxxar: 1) Like Skynx pointed out very early on, ruxxar called disfo's opening post a strong post... when it was really null at best. ruxxar later tried to explain it away by saying that it was just a tone read, unrelated to the content, but really? All I got from the tone of disfo's opening post was non-committing/vague, not decisive/relaxed/insightful or things a townie tone should be. Maybe the format wasn't overly polished, but so what? And is it a strong post if it's just bad/unpolished? Felt to me like ruxxar was staying stuff he didn't actually mean and then tried to somehow salvage the situation. 2) This post... Show nested quote + On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote: On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote: alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince. This makes it real simple. Lynch eversince. If green, lynch sicklucker. Guaranteed 1 scum down. ...is probably the least town-motivated post I saw so far. Not only is that "plan" bad, but it has a thought process of happily lynching people with little to no reason. Again, not aligning comfortably with a town mindset of making the most out of our lynches, but rather just using them up on someone (like scum would). 3) Show nested quote + On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote: I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia. ##vote koshi Really....? Now that Koshi has a huge wagon he just sheeps it with no reason whatsoever? - - - All in all, I'll be switching my vote to ruxxar. What's not fine is that he's not revealing ANYTHING at all. I mean there are absolutely no reads other than ruxxar. He has a 3 page filter but not a list, one scumread, no townreads. Lets say he lasts a few days and D3 we analyze him, his D1 will look like he did nothing while being around all the time and having a 3 page filter. This is kinda worse than Palmar. On June 15 2017 03:12 Xatalos wrote: Btw could someone condense the case on Koshi? I get the fact that he said some 3P-sounding things earlier on, and isn't playing to his town (or scum?) meta... Still the huge wagon makes me wary. For example here you can see him pretending to be interested but instead of "hey x why do you think Koshi is mafia?" we get the bolded, and no follow up. Filter is pretty much just thoughts like this. On June 15 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote: On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote: I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him? For rayn, it's mostly just that he's been very lackluster/passive so far. The worst thing that stood out to me was how he just talked about "Koshi not being mafia" though everybody was speculating about Koshi being 3P at that point. It's like he didn't even read what people said about Koshi and made his conclusion anyway. He's following the game, but no thoughts on the situation. If you're kinda null, just tell. If you think rayn is town at least say so, don't have to defend him maybe but it will prompt people to ask you questions and so on. He is playing a pretty risk-free game. Props to DF for spotting him earlier on, very lynchable. On June 16 2017 17:32 disformation wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2017 08:55 disformation wrote: wait wait wait... dodnt someone say he would expect more from annul given his reputation? how can that be true if annul is the hmguy who gets day1 lynched akl the time? fooooouuuuuuunnnnnnd it: added some bold. Show nested quote + On June 16 2017 02:14 Xatalos wrote: I can't be online much until EOD today.. I think I'll be online like 1-2 hours before the deadline and then just have to sleep. Anyways, here are my main reads so far (some people have posted nothing / barely anything so they've been basically ignored in my memory, who knows, would be dice rolling on them). 1) ruxxar: Has a decent amount of posts, but mostly they've been red flags or questionable at best. No spirit of scumhunting so far, just random comments with unbelievable reasoning (like "strong first post!" -> "I didn't like the content, it was just townily unpolished" - ask yourself, does this sound like an excuse thought after the fact of posting a random comment or a genuine thought process? how is it "strong" if it's townily bad?, very, very meh). 2) rayn: Can still easily be scum. He's a very sneaky scum, and I'm still quite confused by his Koshi commentary. Hope he'll explain that soon(TM). 3) annul: I'd have expected so much more after hearing about his reputation (although it seems to be years ago). There's just nothing to write home about in his filter. Nothing extremely scummy, but just no scumhunting, pushing the thread forward or anything. More like reluctant sideline commentary on some things he picked to comment about, things he could easily do as scum and should've done more than that as town. 4) Koshi: Not really sold on him being our best lynch. There was just nothing that I saw screamed "lynch now!", only slightly concerning points in a large amount of activity. TBH some of the discussions on Koshi have went over my head too as I've been reading the game very lacklusterly from my phone etc. In any case, when someone referenced the Koshi case to me earlier it didn't really cause me to want to vote for him. 4) FF: I'd say town. I just had a pleasant feeling reading his posts since the start, felt like he posted what he actually wanted to say and it made sense. 5) HF: Probably town too. Even if he exaggerates a bit in his cases, he's pushing the game forward and doing stuff all the time. Apparently it's also been his intention to generate discussion with stronger than usual pushes. Just feels more like a town game plan to hyper push and focus the attention on himself and his surroundings. As scum there would be easier targets for that than Koshi or rayn or Vivax etc. too, if the intention was to get people mislynched. 6) Vivax: I think what I liked about him earlier was his meta read on me. It felt honest rather than trying to just curry my favor or alternatively spread suspicion on me. Well, I may be biased Vivax, my main problem with you when I read you sometime today was this post: On June 15 2017 06:26 Vivax wrote: On June 15 2017 06:24 Holyflare wrote: Dunno why everyone hates ever, she's right that it's fucking awful koshi town reads me for a shit fight that in his opinion doesn't make sense. That's my scum meta 101. Yeah why would you hate someone who parrots your misreps of rayn like gospel? ...because, even if you called him out on misrepresenting things, that's one of the more blatant misrepresentations in the game in itself. Ever did not in fact ever "parrot" HF. He just referenced the case on rayn when asked, even though he clearly said he disagreed with it. That's far from parroting, it's the opposite. That's still bothering me. Not sure if it means scum or town Vivax yet though, I think it's not possible to come from either. 7) Eversince: unrelated to that, he is somewhat lackluster. Not fair to say he's "parroting" or "not having original thoughts" though. Clearly that's false. There are original thoughts in his filter, there's just so little of any content there. Conclusion: ??? Rest: no strong opinions one way or another. This might change if I had time to read their filters, but now I'll have to go for some time. So yeah, ruxxar/annul seem like our best bets today overall. something like this | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 16 2017 23:13 GMT
#2131
On June 17 2017 08:11 Blazinghand wrote: can someone explain xatalos to me, like a summary of the case or a link to the best case, thanks Lots of vote action on two wagons annul and xata who were neck and neck. Also people who read words had cases i think. | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
June 16 2017 23:13 GMT
#2132
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 23:13 GMT
#2133
would be even saddererer if i was vig and shot didnt go through | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 16 2017 23:14 GMT
#2134
On June 17 2017 08:12 sicklucker wrote: its really weird that mafia shot hf tho. esp since i blatantly said I was shooting him Nobody would believe you if they have played with you | ||
Blazinghand
United States25545 Posts
June 16 2017 23:14 GMT
#2135
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 23:14 GMT
#2136
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Blazinghand
United States25545 Posts
June 16 2017 23:14 GMT
#2137
On June 17 2017 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2017 08:11 Blazinghand wrote: can someone explain xatalos to me, like a summary of the case or a link to the best case, thanks Lots of vote action on two wagons annul and xata who were neck and neck. Also people who read words had cases i think. were either of them a shenanigan wagon? | ||
disformation
Germany8352 Posts
June 16 2017 23:14 GMT
#2138
On June 17 2017 08:14 Blazinghand wrote: not gonna lie I am pretty happy Koshi is dead <3 ilu Koshi but we mix like vinegar and baking soda i am mad salty koshi wasnt 3p | ||
Rels
France13466 Posts
June 16 2017 23:15 GMT
#2139
On June 17 2017 08:13 sicklucker wrote: Ya i kind of think mafia have no idea what there doing. probably people out of the meta and bad ? | ||
sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
June 16 2017 23:15 GMT
#2140
On June 17 2017 08:14 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On June 17 2017 08:12 sicklucker wrote: its really weird that mafia shot hf tho. esp since i blatantly said I was shooting him Nobody would believe you if they have played with you still if theres even a chance it makes it a pretty bad nk. esp since im town and hf played really bad. Of course you dont know im town and dont have that information | ||
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