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On June 10 2017 12:06 Tumblewood wrote:
the exact reason i didn't answer your meta question was because i knew that if i tried to explain you would keep arguing his meta and the last thing i wanna do is go down a rabbit hole arguing someone else's meta. so no i won't oblige any more about that
i'm both very annoyed and very vindicated
Also perhaps you don't understand how I play mafia. In my world when someone makes a statement they should absolutely have some thought process to back it up and be able to simply explain everything they were doing and thinking. There is nothing to hide if you're town.
You seem to have the attitude that everything should be assumed and magically figured out telepathically.
If you are town and would have struggled explaining the meta points more than "Oh, he just does more things as town!" then simply saying that is much more agreeable than withholding the information and being obstinate. If your meta read was flimsy at best and based on cursory skimming of multiple games then that would also be great to know.
It doesn't all have to be arguments next time.
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Can you also link me that game you mentioned where you claimed?
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Nvm it was tortoise and I skimmed it and it was totally different to this.
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Night. If you're town focus on why ritoky is mafia.
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On June 10 2017 18:53 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 12:44 Prison Break wrote:On June 10 2017 10:48 Tubesock wrote:On June 10 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
Tube there is no pire logic. You quoted one mafoa game many many years ago from me in my prime where I could devote full days with no job to this one. Then you compared to totally different situations. That game is veru different in the facy we basically got all mafia n1 and the game ended d2 with a guy conceding.
I gave you a reason why i didn't shoot, you neber replied and you haven't even mentioned any content from this game to base a scum read on for today. Everyone else in the game is referencing gameplay from throughout the game, the dubious claim from Tw, the nature of my play all game knowing I'm blue and you ckme in basing a read off old meta in a game with different circumstances. There is no way you aren't mafia.
My scum reads n1 were all up in the air and we just lynched mafia. I was still suspicious of tw but I'm never gonna shoot him when he's unCCd so i looked fot other people. N2 i had sent an LS shot at 11pm and then went meta diving and found out ls was very likely not mafia and sent in no shot. Deal with it fooooolz. I didn't reply because I simply don't believe your reasoning. I don't see much point in arguing about this with you, you wouldn't make a claim without already knowing all your answers. They will be thought out and reasonable. Of course you're goign to make sense and people will believe your reasons for not shooting. You're brilliant at arguing. My point is that the odds of someone, anyone really, holding their shot is super super low. And considering how prolific of a night kill you are, I just don't see it. I get you are claiming that you would prefer to die without shooting, but my point is that most everyone playing on this site shoots and won't hold. They even just shoot big question marks like ALakaslam, or Chezinu or some other mega lurker. I'm just not buying it. Tumblewood could be scum sure. It would have been really helpful if he put in noticeable work since his claim. So yeah he looks scummy, but I think mafia!Holyflare has more to gain and this world being more likely. Ritoky's claim looks good to me. I think it would be way too obvious to just drop all discussion of btdt. So maybe he did to pretect himself I don't know. Here's the thing Would HF mafia claim vig that hold his shot over doc/cop? Why not? He can call his shot later and "prove" himself. He could be hedging and being proactive to avoid town turning on him and killing him for being alive.
You think i don't think I'd have a good reason to be alive with a doctor claim and a guy that pushed mafia d1 dying?
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Let's be real here Tubesock, the rest of the game can tell the claims apart, or at least that I'm town, but why can't you after town reading me the entire game?
Furthermore, of the three people that have claimed I am the only one of them that is going back through the filters, asking the claimed people questions and weighing up the facts, why aren't you?
Then the fact still lies that ritoky's check on btdt doesn't particularly make the slightest bit of sense but people keep saying it does, why is that?
Tw's claimed under pressure and not died for 2 cycles and tmi'd all of day 1 and afkd the rest, why is that? He blindly states ritoky's claim also makes the most sense when it doesn't. Why?
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Btdt is town if you bothered to check his meta once like you apparently did for me. Grack linked it earlier, totally different.
LS is likely town due to being lost and not blindly calling everyone town.
Pb is very likely town due to his wildly different play and coherent posts instead of picking a player to be mafia and then showing how he got to the conclusion.
Conversion just posts good things all the time.
Then there's you who just throws light suspicion at everyone, who doesn't base his reads today on gameplay, who instead fights tbe corner 90% of the game isn't fighting.
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No, i liked the fact you went against bh. When I read the content it was empty and completely hollow list posts.
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When tw is mafia and has done nothing redeeming and claimed under pressure of a case you sheeped then yes mafia tube does go against the thread to save his team.
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On June 10 2017 21:07 beentheredonethat wrote:
Tumble or HF are scum. Ezpz. I think its Tumble. Dunno why HF is all paranoid over ritoky
Because his check on you doesn't add up to his scum reads.
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But regardless of that he still looks better than tumble who refuses to answer anything. Then you have to ask how come he could post his bh meta so quickly now but not on d1 but claimed doctor?
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I'm pretty sure I did a lot of educational work instead of arguing?
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No it doesn't seem like a good reason because if you read his night posts he votes LS and makes a case on him being mafia and then does the same for grack but then checks btdt who be now basically town reads because of emotion.
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On June 10 2017 23:53 Prison Break wrote:
Is there any reason scum Ritoky wouldn't just say he checked LS, then?
I compare this to you holding your shot: if it's a fake claim it's easier to just not put yourself in a situation where you'd have to justify controversial choices, but if you held your shot and ritoky checked BTDT, then as town so be it, he can't go "wait, I should've checked LS instead".
And I'm not sure if the emotional part was a good reason to townread him at that point, esp since he had raged a scumgame as well
If you think TW isn't scum you have to tell us before we lynch him, not turn this into vivax 2.0
To save LS for a mislynch later because he's extremely mislynchable if he's town.
He's partners with LS or btdt.
To make his claim more believable by voting a fringe player and getting their alignment "correct".
Many reasons really.
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No, I absolutely think TW is mafia. But there's bits that strike me as him being not mafia-y like his willingness to interact with me, his saying sorry in spoilers. They make me have my doubts.
Whike ritoky just makes a ride or die list with little reasoning that doesn't include me and afks through this after checking someone he wasn't particularly scum reading. That bugs me a lot but isn't enough to call him mafia.
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On June 10 2017 23:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2017 23:53 Prison Break wrote:
Is there any reason scum Ritoky wouldn't just say he checked LS, then?
I compare this to you holding your shot: if it's a fake claim it's easier to just not put yourself in a situation where you'd have to justify controversial choices, but if you held your shot and ritoky checked BTDT, then as town so be it, he can't go "wait, I should've checked LS instead".
And I'm not sure if the emotional part was a good reason to townread him at that point, esp since he had raged a scumgame as well
If you think TW isn't scum you have to tell us before we lynch him, not turn this into vivax 2.0 To save LS for a mislynch later because he's extremely mislynchable if he's town. He's partners with LS or btdt. To make his claim more believable by voting a fringe player and getting their alignment "correct". Many reasons really.
By checking * a fringe player.
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On June 10 2017 23:54 Prison Break wrote:
esp if you're suggesting "lynch me then TW" which is just terrible if you think ritoky was scum
I assume you said that to bait scum only
Not really, I meant it and was very drunk 
Ne dying is normally the only way to validate my play and get people to sheep me.
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There's also a post of ritoky's that he uses as proof he's cop where he calls out vivax. If ritoky is mafia looking to fake claim next cycle and has been setting up tw then of course he knows vivax is fake claiming cop on me since he knows both vivax and I are town and can easily make that "are you not rescinding" post.
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This is a duper simple weighing up that I'm doing in my head to figure out the claims:
Tw - cased day 1 massive tmi and inconsistencies, didn't have answer to bh meta claimed doc instead (but somehow answered it in tiny paragraph within 10 minutes now?), afkd all game, claimed rb all game, blindly believes ritoky claim over me and shovels as much as he can in my direction with no thought
Ritoky - mediocrely towny all game, scum read ls/grack but checked btdt despite town reading (his reason was that he didn't want to lose to emotion instead of checking scum reads??), pushed some ok things, been active.
They're both shit claims but one of those claims was forced day 1 as survival instead of answering simple questions and the other was to kill tw and has been mediocrely towny all game. So yeh tw looks worse on paper.
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