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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:03 GMT
#1553
Let's be real here, lynching anyone but vivax today is a travesty to the game of mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:04 GMT
#1555
Hey ls why did you make me stop scum reading fidei?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:08 GMT
#1558
He was waiting for a cc because he knew i was town and vivax couldn't be cop :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:14 GMT
#1566
On June 05 2017 02:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
LS what do you think if Fidei putting me in a mafia list with Tumblewood?

You might call it weird but I done that before myself agreeing with someone's point doesn't mean they don't townread you.


Yeh you did!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:16 GMT
#1568
On June 08 2017 04:14 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
On June 07 2017 17:19 Holyflare wrote:
On June 06 2017 23:32 Holyflare wrote:
I think he should be lynched and I don't care what he is. Based on his play yesterday only picking on inactives and lower down people and his demotivation after lynching mafia and fake claiming I'm very inclined to call him mafia.

The only thing giving me pause is the ridiculous amount of ignoring that's going on to this claim. Grack et al basically ignored it and nobody has done their favourite thing of instantly putting votes on me. Which makes me pause because they would know vivax was fake claiming to lynch a town and stay away from it.

So evidence based mafia, gut read from reactions fake claiming town.


Dun dun dunnnn


I mentioned grack.


must have been before where i was reading from or i just missed it. but this is different than "if viv town, then btdt 100% mafia". you just think the rest of grack's play differentiates him as more likely town?


It's not different it's an "oh these people aren't concerned about the claim on a hard to lynch holyflare so they must know more about the game and that I'm town" post.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:16 GMT
#1569
Honestly I stopped giving a shit and have forgot like 90% if my reads since today. I'll do better after the flip.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:18 GMT
#1571
No it's your fault!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:22 GMT
#1575
It's all your fault.

Also tw isn't the unCCd doctor. He's mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:31 GMT
#1582
Ls hit me up with a tmi read list.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:34 GMT
#1584
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:53 GMT
#1593
On June 08 2017 04:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
Ls hit me up with a tmi read list.

I not scum?


I didn't say you were. Gimme your reads list, mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 19:54 GMT
#1594
On June 08 2017 04:50 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked

idk what's going on right now or why there are 13 new pages but I hate this post so much


"I didn't read any of the game or anything that made this happen to have the post in context but gosh darn I really hate it!"
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:00 GMT
#1597
On June 08 2017 04:59 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:22 Holyflare wrote:
It's all your fault.

Also tw isn't the unCCd doctor. He's mafia.


A new development! care to explain?


Trolling ls.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:03 GMT
#1599
On June 08 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:50 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked

idk what's going on right now or why there are 13 new pages but I hate this post so much


"I didn't read any of the game or anything that made this happen to have the post in context but gosh darn I really hate it!"

unless the context is you're saying something you don't believe then ahhhhhhhhhhh
like it doesn't mean anything but I hate when people play that way


That's exactly the context.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:10 GMT
#1607
On June 08 2017 05:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
Tone: town
Evidence/factual/logically: mafia

Tone can be faked


Overall though mafia right. like you're not gonna take this guy on some easily fakable emotional stuff to be town


Yehhhh boi no towny wants to fake red check me a day after we lynch mafia.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:36 GMT
#1634
On June 08 2017 05:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
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On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote:
Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell

Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.

going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well.


The first person PB speaks about is Fidei. Within like 2 sentences, then goes on to rant a lot about how Tumbleweed is something? Only to never pick up his points on Fidei again, but of course pressuring me once he realized ritoky was after me.
He doesn't care to really push me though he's just happy to have his vote on me and doesn't care about much else.

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On June 05 2017 02:34 Prison Break wrote:
I will post a list of my reads today - I like where my vote is now (based on page 1/14, reading the rest now)

he didn't
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2017 08:45 Prison Break wrote:
Really everytime I check the thread nothing happens, and when I'm away it has 20+ pages when I come back lol. I'll see what i can do for now and the reads I won't be able to get to I will post tomorrow

he did nothing (besides a votecount, wtf)

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On June 05 2017 09:18 Prison Break wrote:
LOL

I thought I was the lynch, but I got flood control'd and couldn't defend myself, I'm so glad we lynched fidei and that he rolled scum rofl

ok I will use this night to catch up and post a list

he didn't

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On June 05 2017 09:39 Prison Break wrote:
I mean how many scum are there. I assume 3? one was fidei. Maybe one was AFK. So you make any conclusions on this based off literally 1 person who did or didn't fight it?

It's even in the OP. Three. You should know. You played in Generic II, and you are coached, and you could've asked your coach about this, and you could've read the OP. This is a super constructed dumbtell.

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On June 06 2017 02:08 Prison Break wrote:
On June 05 2017 18:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
hahahaha fidei

I would've never caught him

good job Onegu. I'll go back to my retard corner and await the mislynch :D


This is suspicious and doesn't realize I tried to kill fidei and HF says I could be scum etc. - why do you think the entire scumteam is trying to kill each other? I think this is very scummy and I wonder if you realized it or just call people scum.

You didn't try to kill him. In the final vote count, your vote is not on him. You also didn't push him.
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 05 2017 09:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count

Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat

Fidei86 will be lynched.




+ Show Spoiler [Big wall of nothing] +

On June 06 2017 09:15 Prison Break wrote:
I'll be honest I'm not caught up so I haven't read any questions directed at me

I filtered some people that were the primary lynch targets and gave my opinion on them

No I haven't posted a list but I have given reads on at least half the players which is something

I'm sorry for not engaging as much as I'd like to, it's more because of being busy / I find it hard to read through everything ( like I could read through it quickly, but I prefer to keep looking for connections and read things thoroughly so I tend to read back and filter people while reading, some people take that as me "coming up with the right conclusions based on nothing", but I can tell you if I were mafia I would've just dropped random reads and posts every now and then. But right now I want to actually only post when I'm caught up / when I have good reads because I'm not scum this game. )

I think a lot of people are biased because of last game, and when you realize Tumblewood would've been the lynch prior to claiming, HF has a lot of suspicion, and people want me dead or are suspiciouos of me, I'd say that is the exact scumteam of last people and people should look if we're actually scum again or that it's just a bias.

Like I said my scumread on beentheredonethat is strong, if he has done anything in the last pages that I haven't read yet then I may reconsider, but, he did a lot of really scummy stuff early on which I pointed out so something really crazy would have had to happen for me to change my mind on him.

I think it's also scummy that people are saying that I can be scum while completely ignoring the Fidei86 flip. Yes I "bussed" HF last game but read the quicktopic and you'll see that:

- I asked peoples stances on bussing/hard defending, and HF clearly said he is cool with either

- Later on, he said "keep the pressure, I like the pressure, I'm not getting lynch" etc.

- He would get alive=scummed eventually anyway

- I was the roleblocker, he was vanilla

- Fidei was godfather

- HF townread me that game while I scumread him, in this game, Fidei was suspicious of me and I responded by calling him out on his behavior. Doesn't that make sense? Fidei as scum pushing a lot of people for "lurking", me calling him out and pushing for his lynch, beentheredonethat attacking me for it and saying Fidei is town. Like how does this not make sense from a me being town and fidei + possibly beentheredonethat being scum? Explain that to me please. Also explain why I would be so hesistant to post: last game I would make shit up and recklessly vote during night phases, post random reads, sometimes without explanation, etc. Right now I'm clearly trying to actually put effort in the content of what I say....rather than the presentation of it.

I'm sorry if i come off desinterested, I'm not, I just couldn't get myself to read through everything + I am busy

I'll try to get as far as I can and will drop my thoughts, I did plan on dropping a list, but for now I think beentheredonethat is scum and vivax is someone I want to look into more. And I've given a lot of townreads that I still think are town as well but I'll filter them to confirm

Self-explanatory. Claims to have filtered people he doesn't like (that's basically me) and admits to not have done anything and excuses. wow. amazing!


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On June 06 2017 11:40 Prison Break wrote:
I am filtering some people and here are some

hard townreads:

Tumblewood - had him townread prior to claim, then un cc'd blue, probably alive because rb

Tubesock - wants to go for vivax/btdt with I agree with despite him saying earlier he wouldnt, or didnt know how to feel about them, which seems like town progressing his reads, 2nd vote on Fidei

Blazinghand - town, explained this earlier

LightningStrike - "I town here I ready to redeem myself for what happened last!" motived start. Called out "James" early on. Saying he needs to keep an eye on me instead of actually saying what I do is scummy gives him towncred as well. stuff such as "Also btdt's argument is pretty dumb but don't think it makes him scum necessary. It just a dumb argument I feel." shows he at least tries to consider things from multiple angels. "Anyways we do need to figure out who we lynching today since EoD is in 8 hours." tries to keep town on the right track. Voted Fidei at some point.

Okay, so you have lots of town reads, fine, but why don't you then filter the others who should at least be scummy to you then, right? right?

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On June 06 2017 13:32 Prison Break wrote:
yea so based on my reads I'm not buying this claim

but I want to hear from HF + see if someone CC's (unless if grack is right on him being VT, I really suck at judging these sandbag things you guys do here rofl, where I usually play lie=die)

????? "Based on me scumreading BTDT and townrteading a bunch of others, I am not buying this claim!"

??????????







Good post
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:39 GMT
#1639
On June 08 2017 05:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
We should all lynch Prison Break. If people stick to the Vivax lynch, meh. especially HF, like, if he thinks Vivax is town (and he said he feels so) then he should absolutely be brave enough to not lynch the guy. We have a super clear scum wagon where we can deduce enough people to put on our town pile.



I think he's mafia I just get those paranoia moments and conspiracy theory moments and like to hedge my bets.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:40 GMT
#1641
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote:
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O


he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit.

erm no wait

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand

No. at no point was his vote on fidei


He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:43 GMT
#1645
No you absolutely lynch vivax today. Of course you're allowed to case people to lynch next cycle but today it's vivax.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 07 2017 20:59 GMT
#1662
It's not scummy in the slightest. I'm forfeit from ever being solidly town read in a game by virtue of just being too damn good at scum.
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