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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:09 GMT
#856
Am I wrong to interpret that df would have been lynched if rayn had simply stayed on df instead of switching to vivax?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:11 GMT
#859
On May 13 2017 00:10 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2017 23:56 Palmar wrote:
But that rayn switching off DF with 100% guarantee of not being able to lynch Vivax is super stuff. Like if he did that as town (because his big post actually reads like a townie post) I'm going to have to fly out to Finland and talk about his feelings, which is torture to the Finnish.


No it's not super stuff it just looks like it is but then it's just random BS that catches everyone's attention.
Robik did the same in imperial and then he flipped cop. Can't forget it cause I went completely ham over it.

I'm more of a fan of the bigger picture.
And tbh I have a hard time picturing you seeing this as particularly relevant and that only after being reminded of it by HF. You are a hound for this type of thing but you just keep looking like you don't give a fudge.

I'm only reading the end of the day first now. I for example was completely unaware of how hard and aggressively rayn was pushing to kill df.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:13 GMT
#861
And I don't agree that it's random BS.

Think of it like this. If I yell and scream to lynch someone for an entire day, then I use my Pardoner role to save him and get the 2nd guy lynched instead, what would you think of me? That is essentially what rayn did.

It is objectively the only correct play to lynch rayn. Which actually goes against what I thought about him after reading his diatribe about me and you being mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:18 GMT
#865
On May 13 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Am I wrong to interpret that df would have been lynched if rayn had simply stayed on df instead of switching to vivax?


It would have been a tie but impossible to tell who would get lynched in that situation from a player's perspective, I really thought it was df. Ergo rayn jumped off his own mafia wagon for no reason.

Then he says we're dumb for not following him post flip.

Then he returns and says he thought df was town.

So we're dumb for not following him onto town df.

Aka rayn is inconsistent and tilted.

Aka mafia.
Aka lynch all rayns


Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote.

Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch.

so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:19 GMT
#866
I feel rather confident df is town from the activity last night tbh.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:23 GMT
#867
On May 13 2017 00:15 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax is hardcore downplaying it and it's really fucking bugging me.

There is very little Vivax mafia motivation for downplaying it.

If you and I are both hammering a case against his scumbuddy, his best bet is to just go with it and try to come out ahead in the end. He's not dumb, he knows he's not gonna defend rayn if you and I are both gunning for him.

Additionally, he could be TMI-ing, but again, to what end? The tiny credit he'd get for calming the situation compared to the benefit of allowing townrayn to argue with townrayn and townhf all tomorrow is simply a bad deal.

Like the takeaway you should be getting from this is that Vivax probably genuinely thinks we're making a big deal out of nothing. Which I'm slightly more open to now that I realize exactly how things went down.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:25 GMT
#868
annoys me a tiny little bit how militant hf is about this when the truth turns out to be a lot more nuanced than the picture he's trying to paint.

Hf is actually a pretty good candidate for mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:36 GMT
#875
On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?

Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that.

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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:38 GMT
#876
I love just about everything Vivax has written this game, which probably means he's mafia because the real Vivax isn't reasonable and thoughtful.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:40 GMT
#877
On May 11 2017 22:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2017 22:31 Holyflare wrote:
On May 11 2017 22:28 Grackaroni wrote:
On May 11 2017 22:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 11 2017 21:19 Holyflare wrote:
Well grack definitely can be. I just haven't really looked into anything. Everything he does is weird though. He says df/vivax definitely contains mafia, spends no real time talking about them and votes you instead.

He was super submissive to rayn.

He spent all that time basically trying to outline to me that your and df's points were different and he had no conclusion on me, you or df other than "people's conclusions can be different" and was just basically arguing for the sake of it.

His interactions with me are all defensive.

Underwhelming, definitely, scummy motivation, maybe? You've definitely got under his skin at least.


Oh Palmar shot off three posts in a row that seemed really bad to me, like he wasn't actually evaluating anything.

The point I was making was that you were citing both Palmar and DF's points to scum read me when they were completely contradictory, which it seemed like you recognized when you said that you didn't actually agree with Palmar's argument. Trying to use both just because they share the same conclusion is just scummy imo.

Also I don't see how I am underwhelming, you stole what Rayn/I said to form a fuba town read and that was one of your only two reads. The other one is one that pretty much everyone else said.


I have no qualms with being called underwhelming though lol.

And this post just highlights what I'm confused about you. You're still stating it's scummy yet everyone you have wanted to lynch (vivax/df/palmar/damdred) are not me. Your posts don't match your other posts. Where is the conclusion and vote? Why have you stopped 24/7 scum reading me like normal?

You might be scum.

I feel like you're one of the only one's that's actually putting time in thread to try to read me though, so even if you may be scum you're still coming off as townier than some other people.


???

This post is saying literally nothing.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:41 GMT
#878
I'm not quite ready to forgive everyone who voted for Damdred. The more I read his shit the more townie he sounds.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:42 GMT
#879
On May 12 2017 15:31 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think I've been that bad of a troll this game tbh. I was kind of clueless at the end of the day but most of us acted like chickens with our heads cut off.

again appealing to a group.

This guy is definitely mafia.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:50 GMT
#882
On May 13 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?

Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that.


The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1?

Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540

But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:55 GMT
#885
On May 13 2017 00:46 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 00:18 Palmar wrote:
On May 13 2017 00:12 Holyflare wrote:
On May 13 2017 00:09 Palmar wrote:
Am I wrong to interpret that df would have been lynched if rayn had simply stayed on df instead of switching to vivax?


It would have been a tie but impossible to tell who would get lynched in that situation from a player's perspective, I really thought it was df. Ergo rayn jumped off his own mafia wagon for no reason.

Then he says we're dumb for not following him post flip.

Then he returns and says he thought df was town.

So we're dumb for not following him onto town df.

Aka rayn is inconsistent and tilted.

Aka mafia.
Aka lynch all rayns


Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote.

Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch.

so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote.


This doesn't matter at all because now you're saying that rayn thought he could lynch 0 vote vivax over his scum read df. Vivax, who had not been talked about at all.

What does he berate people for after the lynch? Not lynching df (who he now says was a town read!!). What else does he berate us for? Lynching damdred after not talking about it! Who did he want to lynch after? Vivax after not talking about it!

Ok


Note that I'm not 100% convinced and if he keeps trying to lynch me I might just spite lynch him, but that's not the point.

It is reasonable to believe he had no faith in the Damdred lynch.
It is reasonable to believe he did not think he could get the votes for the DF lynch (with only 2 people supporting him)
It is unreasonable of him to think he could get Vivax lynched, but it's technically possible he thought he could get a switch on Vivax
And all the rest can be explained by rayn being an asshole.

My point here is that I've gone from "rayn must be lynched" to "there exists a scenario where he's town, however unlikely".

And you should acknowledge the chance is there too.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:56 GMT
#886
On May 13 2017 00:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2017 00:50 Palmar wrote:
On May 13 2017 00:44 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 13 2017 00:36 Palmar wrote:
On May 12 2017 04:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Is it bad I starting to think Palmar might be scum for sheer fact he not much of person who sheep's other people's cases on Day 1?

Btw, this is just you being wrong about me. I am one of the strongest proponents of intelligent sheeping on TL. It's not gonna be me that builds the best case every game. My job is to identify the best case and go with that.


The Palmar I know doesn't sheep people Day 1?

Then you just don't know me. It's like one of the things I take pride in.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23686540

But I cba arguing about it, it's not really relevant this game.

I forgot about you sheeping Damdred that game Day 1 probably because that game was years ago. God bless Damdred's case on Eden. Okay point nullified probably likely town for that effort.

I've done it often. I sheep good cases when I see them. Plenty of times I've just sheeped a marv case or something.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:57 GMT
#888
I am 100% convinced DF is town.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 15:57 GMT
#889
I am fairly certain LS and Vivax are town too.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 16:00 GMT
#892
I think HF and Grack are mafia. I think Skynx or something is the last one.

This all ignores wildcards like Prison Break and fuba that I just haven't paid much attention to.

rayn makes everything harder. I _think_ he sounds like a townie, but his play at the end of the day followed by the ridiculously out of touch berating of town after the flip is sooo bad. Like what he did last night is high on there on the scale of worst plays I've seen, ever.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 16:01 GMT
#893
throw in TW and sl (because I forgot them in the moment) as people that are wildcards too.

maybe skynx should be in that group too, of people I just haven't spent any time on.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 12 2017 16:05 GMT
#895
On May 13 2017 01:03 Holyflare wrote:
If anything i do like palmar for being so reasonable

I too like palmar
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