I don't get how you still wouldn't scumread him if you were town. DF scumread him, rayn scumread him. He doesn't carry or try to carry, takes the first chance to slap a vote onto you after fearmongering with 300 word essays, posts generic lists that don't really make it clear who he wants to lynch.

And you just sit here all day rolling thumbs, swearing, outing the doctor, then just falling over and dying over him while pushing sl and ls.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 20 2017 12:39 GMT

#2355

Assuming I didn't CC we would be lynching SL or LS now cause you'd be orchestrating that, so forgive me that I don't see the benefit of leaving you with the doc claim for that inifinitesimal chance that you are town

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 20 2017 15:46 GMT

#2412

The most interesting thing we gained this day is that SL, HF and PB refused to lynch Palmar whereas LS and Grack insta sheeped with their vote which makes them obviously town in my eyes.

Nothing changes in my lynch order except that HF forced us to lynch him before Palmar which imo isn't ideal.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 20 2017 15:55 GMT

#2417

You have been given the choice to lynch Palmar, you refused, now you get lynched instead. This is the only thing making me doubt that you are mafia. The obvious suicidality, or you felt cocky enough to turn the tide into your favour by posting. Then again it's obvious that the greenchecked mafia shouldn't die first.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 20 2017 16:21 GMT

#2422

LS is 100% town get off his dick

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 20 2017 16:53 GMT

#2425

I'm feeling a bit better about HF being mafia while rereading the start of D1.
The important thing is not to panic and stay the course. This is just a drill for the Palmar lynch

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 08:55 GMT

#2509

Yeah you guys are going to lose the game to Palmar once I'm not around.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 09:12 GMT

#2510

LS simply isn't mafia, will explain and defend to the hardest later. You have to kill this greenchecked Palmar serp as quickly as possible instead.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 10:29 GMT

#2520

Since when is it a rule that material generated by mafia is bad? Tumble was clumsy and had trouble fighting his TMI, I'm treating it as fact by now and his filter is an excellent source of info. HF was given the choice to lynch you and didn't want to cause you are the designated carry. Everything about him screams that we should lynch him before you.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 10:32 GMT

#2523

We started into the day with 3 votes on Palmar with HF hesitating to get him while knowing that it was either him or Palmar. He sacked himself for Palmar. GG no re

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 10:39 GMT

#2529

It isn't as clear cut for others as it is for us, many still have trouble applying their reasoning past role and role interactions as seen in Guardians of the galaxy where Toad coasted on a fake vig claim for the entire game.

Palmars racing horse for this game is the n1 green check and he's going to coat it in sugar and sell it as unbeatable logic that he is town and that the logical play is not to lynch him.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 11:13 GMT

#2534

The argument that a scum player like HF goes for a suicidal play here is a very strong argument, whether you can defend yourself against it or not is secondary. It's like you're advocating fair play towards you demanding that we find out you're mafia exclusively from your filter. Fair play here is to find the single best argument out there for you being mafia.

He was mafia sitting in a dark pit, he got offered a rope to climb out, but on his way out he had to throw you in instead, he chose to stay in the pit. Why is scum HF not taking the easy route to your mislynch if you are town here?

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 11:30 GMT

#2538

In HFs world.

"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"

If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?

(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"

(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"

Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.

And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.

And the conclusion is:

Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 11:44 GMT

#2543

On May 21 2017 20:30 Vivax wrote:
In HFs world.

"Hey HF, let's lynch Palmar"
"nah I'm gonna go for these SL and LS guys instead"

If we assume Palmar is town, what was HF thinking?

(1) "I'm going to die before him and frame him with association on the off chance that they lynch him tomorrow herp"

(2) "I'm going to mislynch him, then I get killed by paranoid townies anyway derp"

Both scenarios result in his death. But scenario (1) is just straight out suicide which is what happened. HF killed himself this day. Indisputable fact.

And the only argument here for him to suicide here that you can bring from a perspective where Palmar is town, is that he wanted to frame Palmar by helping him. Palmar who voted for him without batting an eye when given the opportunity.

And the conclusion is:

Two ways out. Both with the same result for HF (one being mislynch Palmar while being alive, and one being mislynch Palmar after getting lynched) . And he chose the worst to achieve the same result he could have achieved by simply mislynching Palmar? That's where Palmar = town all falls apart.

This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 12:16 GMT

#2557

Palmar lategame plan involves a lylo with him,PB and one of LS and SL.

Then he's going to seduce PB and point out that he was so gosu and right all along and can finally show the world what he is made of and endgame this town.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 12:25 GMT

#2570

Scum is allowed to no kill, well that sucks you will be stuck at Palmar, SL, LS, PB mylo until the end of days.
Which is why tomorrow you kill Palmar and let the other guys fight it out.

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 12:26 GMT

#2571

Oh shit I just slipped that he's town

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 12:33 GMT

#2578

You can always find inconsistencies and missing explanations or reads in LS which is why he's someone you toneread.

On May 10 2017 11:57 Tumblewood wrote:

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I think this has to be town!ls

And alone for this he's like 100% confirmed town

Vivax

22011 Posts

May 21 2017 12:36 GMT

#2581

I'll post a case for the case that you lynch Palmar and by some miracle he flips town. That's the best I can do. I can guarantee that Palmar will flip mafia but I'm going to play along and pretend he's going to flip town and then you have to lynch someone and I will suggest that someone.

As my legacy.