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On May 15 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:
Palmar you said there's 100% mafia in SL, LS, TW.
They're the players I've ignored this game. I ALWAYS randomly ignore mafia because they're boring.
On May 15 2017 23:31 Vivax wrote:
And please explain why you said skynxs defense was terrible
Because it's scum-defense 101. "Look if I was mafia I would do X, but I did Y, ergo not mafia".
On May 15 2017 20:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 20:15 Skynx wrote:On May 15 2017 20:11 Vivax wrote:On May 15 2017 20:05 Skynx wrote:
Just let it go Vivax. I have like no effect in this game, and we have been lynching townies with 3-3 votes max, no towncircle at all, does that tell you Skynx is mafia? No, prolly 2-3 of those usual town leaders if not all is mafia. Your vote is your effect and you haven't been placing it on your scumread you piled it onto HF instead cause you were expecting fuba to be a mislynch. Lets say im scum, how does that make sense for me to not vote fuba? I mean i was almost getting lynched. this is a terrible defense...
We have no idea how the scum votes were distributed on the wagons, so maybe there was no real danger of him getting lynched, who knows.
The point is I'm just talking about the defense. If Skynx is town, that point is not why he's town. If he's town it's because of something else. That point, in particular, is not very alignment indicative at all, because it is exactly a point I'd make as mafia too.
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On May 15 2017 23:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2017 23:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the night 1 shot was so super fucking dumb there is no way it happens if it not a medic dodge or both you and Palmar are not mafia. It was the most universally townread player. It's not a terrible shot.
Although I kind agree it looks medic-dodgey
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On May 15 2017 23:28 Vivax wrote:
The problem for me from the start has been that you three just can't stop being completely paranoid about each other.
I think that if you ignored each others alignments and decided to just find a common ground to find at least two other mafia, it would be more productive. Cause all I've seen this game is you suggesting to lynch the other, not getting it, and everyone else just doing whatever the fuck they want cause they're already used to you bickering like old hags.
It's a bit late for that two lynches in but I think we could still salvage something by pretending that none of us 4 are mafia and just looking for two scummers in the rest.
Possibly the smartest post in the game.
Ever.
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On May 16 2017 00:25 Vivax wrote:
I can not imagine in the slightest what's so hard in making people see the mafia in skynx. When I look at him I feel it's clear as day. I guess we need some old school case building in here.
please do
I'm so tired of arguing I might just sheep it
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On May 16 2017 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
why the fuck doesn't anyone ever just cop check me so I get rid of this grief in like 90% of my games
now i have to probably deal with palmar being a petulant tit
oohhhhh boy this is aboutta get ugly for you :D:D:D
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list of people holyflare has tried to kill this game:
rayn (town)
damdred (town)
fuba (town)
palmar (town)
top tier stuff
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I was, however, right on:
fuba = town
rayn = town
df = town
skynx = town (well, I just didn't call him mafia when everyone else wanted to, I said I was torn and wrote a post defending him)
maybe people should listen to this old hermit more often.
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On May 16 2017 06:51 Holyflare wrote:
i also tried to save fuba
and not kill rayn
I'm making you look bad stop ruining my fun.
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On May 16 2017 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
hold the fuck up
there is no cop
I'm parity cop. n1 checked pb, n2 checked palmar. they're different alignment so basically skynx is mafia with palmar and trying to bait out the blues before he dies
nice going spewing pb town in the process.
But alas, I guess you've already picked a side for me in this fight.
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so it's not for me to worry
off to play video games
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On May 16 2017 07:49 sicklucker wrote:
i just dont get why a mafia tumble would fakeclaim paridy cop over cop.
Its so absolutely bad that I think he must be town?
1. Its way more easy to cc as cop because n1 kill suggests a medic dodge and thats more likely to be believed.
2. When no vet claims hes going to look really.
Both lead me to believe that tumble was faking. but why the fuck would he just lose on purpose? even if hes dumb he has 2 team mates
think bro
If he claims parity cop the medic can claim to confirm the setup. TW hopes this happens so mafia can find the medic in one go.
If he claims cop it's just claim vs cc and no reason for anyone else to claim.
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On May 16 2017 07:50 sicklucker wrote:
of course a vet claims here hell. make this day easy for everyone claim or lets kill tumble
I challenge mafia to vet claim as well.
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btw I'm starting to seriously think LS might be mafia
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On May 16 2017 09:22 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2017 09:18 Palmar wrote:
btw I'm starting to seriously think LS might be mafia HF is pretty much confirmed for you right?
No
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There will be no night kill.
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On May 18 2017 20:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2017 20:37 Vivax wrote:On May 18 2017 20:36 Holyflare wrote:
The post you quoted from PB is referring to me,not SL. That doesn't change what I said. It changes the question because pb isn't saying sl looks townier. But whatever floats your boat. Palmar not even trying to figure me out at this point. Waiting to shit fight with me tomorrow i presume.
maybe you should presume less.
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But no, I'm ok. I mentally checked out this past cycle and I don't think I'm doing much tonight.
I think there's definitely some intrigue to be caught this game, but I'm not going to bother trying to figure it out right now. It is somewhat interesting that there's still massive pressure in the thread on lynching me despite having a green check. I am however not really concerned about that at the moment.
I feel like defending myself beyond this point is going to be useless. People who still, with a green check and probably the towniest game I've played in the past 2 years, want to lynch me, are beyond redemption anyway, hopelessly stuck in a pit of ignorance. I can communicate with normal human beings, but if the desire to be wrong is strong enough that you will convince yourself that a mechanical check must be wrong, there isn't much I can do.
Skynx's check on me was actually a terrible check. Sometimes I play around in games (see my last game) and it can be tough to figure out what my alignment is. But this game, you have to be especially stubborn to not just realize that on pure content I am town.
So with that said, I am going to rather focus on the remaining two mafia, than myself.
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As for the current gamestate, and some very short reservations:
Grack: the fact that TW was willing to townread him so hard that he offered to build a towncase (I can't remember if he actually did, but I remember asking him for one) throws a wrench in that read of mine. Grack has still played a very underwhelming game if he's town and he's not really helping figure anything out, but still... It's making me pause.
sicklucker: I have a gut feeling he's town. There's literally no justification for it, I just think he is. I might be completely and utterly wrong. He's not done anything and when he's in the thread his posts are completely worthless... idk... I guess I'm gonna wait until tomorrow to read him in more detail.
Vivax: Still hedging on town. Still have the same nagging suspicions, but still gonna ignore them based purely on effort and content. I dislike how he intends to follow up on the scumlynch but whatever.
HF: The big question to me. I should probably be fairly sure he's mafia but I'm just not. The way he responded to my taunting and to skynx's reveal actually sounded rather townie. I also vaguely recall him making some case or push on TW at some point, but it may be me misremembering. I'm going to go back and see if, how and why that happened.
LS: Super underwhelming this game. I actually think it's not unlikely he's mafia. If you gave me a gun and told me to shoot someone I'd shoot, HF, but only because killing him would be fun. If I was shooting for the most likely to flip mafia I think I'd shoot LS.
PB: I've written him off as town throughout the game, because he sounds like one. Depending on what happens tomorrow he's a good candidate to just review and see if I wrote it off too quickly. He's a low content poster, but whenever he does post it feels like he has a townie mindset.
Skynx: 100% cop, confirmed.
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So in summary, I would probably kill LS right now. But I have very little faith in that being the correct call. It's mostly based on how I feel about the game at the moment. He's a guy that generally isn't afraid to post but he has somehow avoided almost all the big shitfights this game, just like TW did, really.
So yeah.... more tomorrow, maybe today.
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The good news is that 1 person might die tonight, and another person is going to claim doctor. Skynx will not die because mafia can't risk shooting him. The doctor should be playing mindgames I guess (but it'd suck super hard to lose skynx tonight because mafia went big and won).
so a very winnable gamestate of 5v2 after this night puts us in non-lylo. The doctor should probably claim tomorrow, because in lylo mafia can claim doctor safely (best case for them they win the cc battle and the game, worst case they lose and shoot the doctor the next night and remain in lylo)
claiming before lylo puts mafia in a very difficult situation, they can win the cc battle and still not win the game. So it's something to think about, claiming tomorrow.
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this is, literally, quite the towniest game on content I've played, but whatever.
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