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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:10 GMT
#525
On April 07 2017 19:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
So regarding Tumble:

I explained in the last big post why I scumread him. I didn't put him on my list because I simply quoted SL's list and re-arranged some names, which is really hard to do on mobile. My main point with that list was that I am seeing things different then sicklucker does which is why I did not remove the original quote.

Being called out on not having Tumble on the list brought me to reviewing Tumble once more, seeing if the read I gave him in my list would be correct. So I filter dived and summarized what he actually did, then drew my conclusions from it.


wait so you developed the scumread on him there????
oh god...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:11 GMT
#527
how did you not have tumble on your list "because" you "re-arranged sl's list" which had tumble on it?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:15 GMT
#530
On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote:
Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town).

Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter.

I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault.


Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town.

First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:16 GMT
#532
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:20 GMT
#541
On April 07 2017 19:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:17 sicklucker wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:33 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 17:53 sicklucker wrote:
like I was so fucking townie what choice did you have. but now your going crazy again. honestly your so random. Im a very random mafia player myself so I kind of see that as possible mafia playz

Koshi you seriously think this is what sicklucker thinks of me as when i am mafia?

sicklucker is sicklucker. Do not apply logic.
Read the people on which you can actually apply logic. And then bother with sicklucker.

I am telling you. I was 100% convinced on 2 mafia reads last game, and the guy (sicklucker) made me so mad I removed a certain mafia read and mafia read him instead. Then he claimed doctor DURING the night. Still didn't get shot ofc.

And then endgame received 50 points.


.... thats not even close to what happened I thought you were shit talking another game

That is exactly what happened.

I know the game. +1
iamp fucked up the points super hard lol :p
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:21 GMT
#543
(which is why i just want to play mafia, not care about some fucking mvp or points)

So please play mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:25 GMT
#554
On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.


Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread.

However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway).

I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here.


Why did you ever townread her?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:38 GMT
#576
I am curious why btdt does respond to Koshi but not to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:43 GMT
#589
On April 07 2017 19:22 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:11 beentheredonethat wrote:
Regarding Koshi's vote on me: I think Koshi is interpreting way too much into my asdasdkjlkajsdlkasjdl thing. It shouldn't, especially in light of everything else I do, justify a vote. Not only am I present in thread, participate in a good way (with maybe flawed results), but also I am very open to discussions and dropping quite hard opinions on people. I tend to be absolutely inactive or super-bussy as scum and I don't think I'm replicating this meta here (which ofc is no 100% proof of me being town).

Also, there was this one game where I was lynched because I claimed doc vs. the actual cop or something (nomination for worst play of 2017 included) and I think if you just skim my low volume filter there you'll find a lot of similarities to my current filter.

I'm not willing to promise I'll improve but I am willing to promise that I'll try to improve. Feels bad to have thread consensus being "btdt is bad town" and it's also not really motivating to put more effort in, but then again it's my own fault.


Dude. I don't think anyone is bad town by default. At least i am trying to understand how you get into the conclusions you do. Just try to explain yourself if you're town.

First of all could you answer me in what i asked you about your read progression on Calix? It's around p3-4 in my filter.

The bad town thing comes from Calix and also Tumblewood (and someone else? dunno right now)
I've answered the Calix thing.

If this is your final answer then you're mafia.
Because you had a town read on Calix 100% at some point.
On April 07 2017 19:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 19:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 07 2017 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
beentheredonethat where does your read go from town -> scum on Calix?

On April 07 2017 16:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Could you answer with quoting the posts / explaining it fully from the beginning (the read progression) so i don't have to guess what happenings in the game you are talking about.


Whew. That's a lot. So first of all, Calix went after me pretty harshly, seemingly about "Why are you not voting although you claim it's pushworthy?". I felt like this was a rather constructed thing, given it was the very beginning of D1 and people were still entering the thread.

However, I felt she was going after me relentlessly which per se is not scum indicative but already felt weird - it's like "hey it's D1 and you're going harshly after me for some weird reasons that are just weak". So I started to think she's mafia, trying to get into the thread without getting called out on it (which in this case would've been a success). What really bugged me then though was the drop-off of me, claiming a misunderstanding. Also, the semantics thing that I pointed out early was weird - calling me out on "you say it's pushworthy but don't push", and then claiming "I don't scumread you, I think you're scummy" (i dont get the point of this anyway).

I can see this coming from a town!Calix but I can also see it from a scum!Calix and I tend to weigh towards scum in here.


And this read progression doesn't have it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:47 GMT
#591
In this post:
On April 06 2017 20:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2017 20:06 Calix wrote:
On April 06 2017 20:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Do you think it's worth pushing, Calix?


No, I don't.

But that's not the point.

You clearly think it is.

Why does it matter what I think then?

Can you not pretend I "clearly" think it is and consider the sentence that comes right after "I think it's worth a push"?

Can you also think about why I put "I think" in front of "It's worth a push"? Normally, that means that a person wants to imply a certain level of uncertainty about something. We're both town, right? So we want to help each other out by judging each other's thoughts. So you can either pick up what I say and drop your own opinion, or you can go after me because I do not place a vote on the very first maybe pushable thing that I find when the game is three pages and some hours in.


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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 10:55 GMT
#602
okay okay. btdt is probably mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:00 GMT
#607
i liked all the green stuff you pointed out koshi but what struck me was the... well let me quote it word to word.
"Now to the interesting stuff....
wrote exactly 267 words and ~170 we get into the interesting stuff.....
yeahhhh...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:02 GMT
#608
My problem is i still don't think he's mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:02 GMT
#609
fuck.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:05 GMT
#613
sicklucker and Calix.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:07 GMT
#615
On April 07 2017 20:06 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 20:00 Koshi wrote:
On April 07 2017 19:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
ok. We've reached a point where any continues discussion with me is not bringing the thread any further. Rayn, Koshi, sicklucker are all scumreading me and I've tried my best to explain what I did and why I did it.

So just lynch me, enjoy my VT flip, and continue the game without my apparently bad contributions.

It is our right to do so. Also, how you interact with us shows me you see us all 3 as "equals". While sl and I were scumreads. Now you already flipped on me (which is nai) but why also sl?

Anyway you don't have to defend constantly.

Problem is Calix and Shape are not here. And Rels is afk again.

I don't see you as "equals". I see you and rayn as the guys who keep pushing me and sl as the guy who's mad at me and content in voting for me.

Please stop making things up, once more :/

I see rayn pushing me. Please do not make things up.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:08 GMT
#617
shut up and play.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:08 GMT
#619
well not shut up.
stop being a dumbass and play.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:10 GMT
#621
Okay for your scumreads. Tumblewood. Try to convince people on your case, or get your vote on another of your scumreads? Why do you just wanna quit?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2017 11:10 GMT
#622
On April 07 2017 20:08 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker and Calix.

btdt/shape is what worries me atm.

can be but not btdt.
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