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On April 08 2017 18:36 beentheredonethat wrote:
I think Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him. Rels voting Tumble, making it 3-3 with others voting outside of it, would've been scummy as fuck.
This read also makes no sense.
1) Rels piling on Calix, making it 4v2, clears him.
2) Rels voting on Tumble to make it 3-3 would've been scummy as fuck
3) So Rels is cleared because he didn't do the clearly "scummy as fuck" option
4) What would Rels gain by doing the clearly "scummy as fuck" option, if he were scum?
5) Even if you believe Rels would try to pull off the "too scummy to be scum" mind game, why would him voting Calix "clear him?"
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I guess everyone else thinks that Shapelog is just giving it the good old fight... by himself... in the thread for 6 hours before his lynch
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oh right, another indicator of why i'm not a math major
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[QUOTE]On April 10 2017 03:17 Shapelog wrote:
Ok so darth:
BTDT saw me as town/or townish before the flip due to being active and etc.
[quote][QUOTE]On April 08 2017 04:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
I like Shape's posts. They seem to make sense. Then again they also seem to always summarize what others do/did and they might lack original value.
I'm too tired right now to really dive Shape's filter and check but it might be an incentive for [insert whoever is willing to do the work][/QUOTE]
Does go on later to say he suppose to be SR me based off as well based off his view on tumble, but then turns it around and says that is not the case
After flip, I become who he wants to lynch after he crosses off (at that time) tumble and SL. He also later states that he does not feel certain on me at this point. I remain in that position all the way up to his last post where he votes me, while also weaking his read on tumble and rels.
The weaken part concerns me, bc it feels almost as if he is trying to be in a position to go after whom ever the thread chooses to go for after my lynch. This would explain why his posts have been hedgey after calix flipped, and explain the lack of confidence if it is coming from scum!BTDT.
Agree? Disagree? Thoughts?[/QUOTE]
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@ Shape
Well yea the remaining scum in this situation has to keep options open and back doors available because of the D1 lynch and now the save in the night. This is one of the main reasons I don't like how btdt has approached the thread recently.
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Even if he knew the setup and knew he could claim Doc, it doesn't make sense to do the "save" this early in the game because he has to die at some point
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On April 10 2017 06:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
oh darth is actually voting me. okay.
Keepin' it spicy
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On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect
Meh pre flip scum!Rels also probably wouldn't be expecting a save to happen. Plus early town reads aren't huge commitments at that stage because he could always claim to have fluxtuating reads as he reads up on the thread.
Either way, I'm more confident in the remaining scum to be in Shapelog/btdt
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On April 10 2017 13:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay then i think Rels cannot be scum. I think he would have shot Koshi since i am hard-defending him.
That's actually a good point
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On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog
So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans?
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On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans? there are one and a half fatal assumptions here one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable
Why is it highly improbable?
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meh
##unvote
##vote Shapelog
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On April 11 2017 05:21 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2017 00:19 darthfoley wrote:On April 11 2017 00:10 Tumblewood wrote:On April 11 2017 00:03 darthfoley wrote:On April 10 2017 20:39 Rels wrote:
in comparaison Shape / Calix is so cordial. More cordial than any other interaction in Calix' filter.
yep. ##Vote Shapelog So you think scum!Calix would try to be cordial with her partner in a game with lots of veterans? there are one and a half fatal assumptions here one is that calix was trying to do that, which would just be silly. the other being that calix might do that to a particular townie, which is highly improbable Why is it highly improbable? idk, it's just one of those things you don't think about as scum. not that you couldn't, just that you don't. plus it would only be useful if calix flips and town calls it out, which is not easily foreseeable from the first 24 hours
Fair enough. I still don't see why "calix's interactions with btdt make it unlikely they're together" cuz don't mafia often pressure each other early D1 and then back off (which is what she kinda did)
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On April 10 2017 20:40 Rels wrote:
Shape's filter doesn't hit me as super scummy by itself. But he's the only logical answer.
On April 10 2017 21:40 Rels wrote:That I don't find Shape's filter particulary scummy, but not townie either and everyone else is town.
Now that the "logical" answer flipped town, how do you see the game?
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On April 08 2017 05:18 Tumblewood wrote:
have no qualms about lynching
rels
(shape)
have some qualms about lynching
sl
koshi
(calix)
not lynching today
df
rayn
btdt
On April 09 2017 08:20 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2017 07:39 sicklucker wrote:
Tumblewood
raynpelikoneet
koshi
darthfoley
beentheredonethat
Rels
Shapelog
something like that mostly paranoid of rels because hes second no my list as most likely mafia even tho its probably shapelog
yeah this is exactly where I am except sl is somewhere on the list. probably above btdt with like 1 letter colored green
When did btdt go from "not lynching today" to being in the scummy side of your reads list, and why? Was it simply because he voted off the Calix wagon?
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The biggest point in Rels' favor is what rayn said. Rayn was hard defending Rels and it doesn't make sense for scum!Rels to shoot rayn when at least three other people (sl, me and later shapelog/btdt) talked about the possibility of scum!Rels and lynching him. I just don't see the logic behind it at all.
Barring some ridiculous play by solo mafia yolo SL or yolo shot holding rayn, they're both town. Koshi is town. Which leaves btdt and Tumblewood. Tumblewood's early game was pretty townie but i've gotten more and more confused with the points he's trying to make later in his filter. This post was good, however.
On April 10 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
although his filter leaves little to work with, I doubt rels is scum because he has put himself in a poor position to get someone else lynched after shapelog. I would expect scum!rels to scumread me and/or (pre-flip) sl so he'd have somewhere to go for the necessary 3 mislynches, and he still has not made 'preparations' in that respect
@btdt given what rayn pointed out, do you still think Rels is most likely to be scum?
On April 10 2017 06:21 beentheredonethat wrote:This is the final vote count. Four people voted outside of Calix. me, Shapelog, sicklucker, Tumblewood. Tumblewood should be town based on his early interaction with Calix. It's unlikely that scum acts like this on scum. sicklucker claimed doctor. Tumblewood is VT. Leaves Shapelog. If it's not Shapelog, Rels should definitely be moved into scum range. sicklucker's claim holds, the townread on Tumble does, too, and I still have my role PM which says VT, so it should be me or Rels, which is exactly what Shape says. That's a dilemma. But we do have enough mislynches to lynch all three of us, don't we.
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Also we only have one more mislynch (without any additional saves) before it becomes mylo so no, we can't just lynch down the line btdt
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On April 11 2017 22:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2017 21:07 Koshi wrote:On April 09 2017 02:02 Shapelog wrote:About Rels, I dont like the fact he came in and voted calix without really and explanation other then him being where ryan was. I felt honestly he was more focused on me and tumble each (his other scumreads) then what was actually going on with calix. I know there was a small conversation a page back on how scum!rels might voted in regards of calix being scum. I personally think scum!rels would vote calix there instead of saving her because she was MIA. Why stick out and not vote her when it could cause sus. to come on her. Another thing is the SL read. I first i actually thought this put to ease my sus. as scum!rels needs to keep the scum pool more open since he needs 3 ML's and what better to do that through ryan. Ryan is after-all seen as town my the majority of people, and could be talked into it if needed. But he didnt, which i first thought was town. But then I reread it and saw something: On April 08 2017 06:38 Rels wrote:rayn. About SL. He feels town. He focused on himself and he's not hiding it, and he's focused on his read on you because of it. It doesn't add anything for him as scum. It's not good looking for him. It wastes time that is all. But he's doing it anyway. I think he's town for that.Like his posts when he come back to the thread after leaving is focused on that: On April 07 2017 14:21 sicklucker wrote:On April 07 2017 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 07 2017 06:44 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm fine with Rels, Tumble, Shape, Calix, Koshi lynches apparently
and also Rayn
lol I don't have townreads apparently I am curious though, why is sicklucker town? why am i mafia. hell you know I wanted to answer something but your posts through page 10 were so bad about me and completely random and wrong On April 07 2017 14:23 sicklucker wrote:
once again ryan you seem to have tunneled on something completely null and pointless to the game which im ignoring because I believe its completely null and pointless to the game and that makes you think im mafia.
Even if you think im mafia im not a day 1 player and if you lynch me day 1 again after saying you dont want to mislynch me trololo. I acualy kind of want this to happen and he knows he cannot out arguee you. I think I remember him saying you're the player he fears the most, he said that like one year ago. Doesn'et make sense to try to ou targuee you. Especially since he's not lynched. And he is not trying to change the lynch either. He's mainly talking about your read on him. This argument is fine for sl being town but do note what i bolded. Rel's reasoning for tr SL is due to his focus on himself and such. Then this happens a few posts later: On April 08 2017 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
shapelog is just the best lynch here by far. he can totally be with calix hell it even makes alot of sense. but if you guys lynch calix first you might do something stupid like lynch tumbleweed so Saltshaker starts trying to move the lynch (something im going to check out eventually) onto me and off of calix. Now, imo this should cause his read to progress or at least be reconsidered as this is something that does go against this reasoning for why SL is town. however, in response to ryans question about sl in general: His posts during the night haven't changed my mind. I think he's town based on his lack of mindset. But he'"s not lock town. This bothers me because ryan did mention his stance towards the lynching, which I would expect rels to react to with his read. I don't see how that doesn't cause anything to go off in rel's mind if he believes the reasons to tr sl off based off that post. Which suggests he isnt really reading and figure out things. Maybe the SL thing isn't strong but i dont like how he came in her and just voted calix, picked around with me and tumble, and peace. I feel like town!rels would post or mention more then just being really condense down and focused on certain people while not even mentioning others. Thoughts? I read Shape his filter and this was fucking gold. wp Shape. I think this is not what makes Rels mafia in case he is mafia here. Like fucking literally Rels doesn't HAVE TO do this if he is mafia, he doesn't have to townread sicklucker for this reason. Why do you - as mafia - townread people for reasons you don't have to????? You are supposed to push mislynches to win games, not townread possible suspects (which sicklucker definitely was because he was defending Calix on D1).... Why does mafia!Rels do what Shapelog claims here? I don't care if it seems irrational, i care about why the fuck does someone who is actually goosd at this game as scum do that????
What makes Rels mafia in the case that he's mafia?
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