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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:20 GMT
#2136
On March 22 2017 06:16 Koshi wrote:
I am currently busy with money stuff. Going to start playing on the stock market. And with playing I mean I am going to buy a shitton of 1 stock that should be a safe bet. (max -10% on short term and potential +20% on longer term) But most likely will just do nothing too crazy and will net me 2% each year except the fucking 0,3% I get due to banks are fucking criminals.

So if anybody has great advice I can use it.


There isn't any downside to some diversification though (except just a bit more effort spent / transaction fees). But risks reduce greatly. Dividends are also great consistent income source so I'd recommend companies that pay growing dividends.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:24 GMT
#2142
On March 22 2017 06:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 06:20 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 06:16 Koshi wrote:
I am currently busy with money stuff. Going to start playing on the stock market. And with playing I mean I am going to buy a shitton of 1 stock that should be a safe bet. (max -10% on short term and potential +20% on longer term) But most likely will just do nothing too crazy and will net me 2% each year except the fucking 0,3% I get due to banks are fucking criminals.

So if anybody has great advice I can use it.


There isn't any downside to some diversification though (except just a bit more effort spent / transaction fees). But risks reduce greatly. Dividends are also great consistent income source so I'd recommend companies that pay growing dividends.

True. But I am not taking risks for money. I am going to buy a stock of a company that can't go bankrupt. A very old company that is just going to exist for ages. And where the stock is a lot lower than on it's highest point.

Like... I don't think I can lose money if I have time. But I can win money depending on what the stock does.


Alright then. Gl hf
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:27 GMT
#2147
On March 22 2017 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Like if Eden is town we are getting outplayed quite badly. Xatalos is going to be lock scum then. But the others are hiding. Darthfoley. AMG. Onegu. disformation.

Well if the other blue is in the last 4 it is fine I guess. 33% + 50% to win


Well if rayn is telling the truth, there should be a Cop since there was no Vig shot. That means the game is practically won. If the Cop has any idea what he's doing.

If rayn is lying, then who knows. At least he'll be caught eventually.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:31 GMT
#2150
On March 22 2017 06:28 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 06:27 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Like if Eden is town we are getting outplayed quite badly. Xatalos is going to be lock scum then. But the others are hiding. Darthfoley. AMG. Onegu. disformation.

Well if the other blue is in the last 4 it is fine I guess. 33% + 50% to win


Well if rayn is telling the truth, there should be a Cop since there was no Vig shot. That means the game is practically won. If the Cop has any idea what he's doing.

If rayn is lying, then who knows. At least he'll be caught eventually.


So should the Cop claim tomorrow if they have two decent checks then?


At least if he's a suspect and has good checks then probably. That would help a lot.

If he's townread and the checks aren't that helpful, then probably not.

In any case I don't think the right play is to claim right as day starts. Better wait until some things happen first and scum moves are in the open to crush them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:35 GMT
#2153
On March 22 2017 06:32 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 06:31 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 06:28 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 06:27 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 06:12 Koshi wrote:
Like if Eden is town we are getting outplayed quite badly. Xatalos is going to be lock scum then. But the others are hiding. Darthfoley. AMG. Onegu. disformation.

Well if the other blue is in the last 4 it is fine I guess. 33% + 50% to win


Well if rayn is telling the truth, there should be a Cop since there was no Vig shot. That means the game is practically won. If the Cop has any idea what he's doing.

If rayn is lying, then who knows. At least he'll be caught eventually.


So should the Cop claim tomorrow if they have two decent checks then?


At least if he's a suspect and has good checks then probably. That would help a lot.

If he's townread and the checks aren't that helpful, then probably not.

In any case I don't think the right play is to claim right as day starts. Better wait until some things happen first and scum moves are in the open to crush them.


I'm just worried that Cop gets shot without making their check clear if they are really townie. But I guess I'll leave it up to them and assume they're not stupid P:


A Cop's checks should be somewhat clear from their filter anyway if they die. In any case, I don't think just one check is a huge deal yet considering there's a Godfather. But 2 checks + self-clear is a big move.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:38 GMT
#2155
On March 22 2017 06:36 Damdred wrote:
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On March 22 2017 06:35 Tumblewood wrote:
cop does not get shot when there is a claimed jk who is also named rayn


Say calix and xata are town. What's the point in shooting rayn?


Yeah, I'd at least roleblock him if I was scum AMG or something.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:43 GMT
#2164
On March 22 2017 06:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Eden is so gonna flip town and we should have lynched Xatalos the mafia.


Wasn't he your scumread just now.....?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 21:53 GMT
#2169
So your master plan was to gather momentum by switching back and forth?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:03 GMT
#2179
Nice.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:05 GMT
#2184
On March 22 2017 07:04 Calix wrote:
Does this basically confirm Xatalos as town due to VCA? Damdred/ disfo, pls chip in here.


By the way, in that case, which of my pushers do you think were scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:09 GMT
#2189
I'm a bit sad that the race wasn't closer. There's certainly scum on Eden wagon who might have switched if there was a better chance to save him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:13 GMT
#2198
On March 22 2017 07:08 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 07:05 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 07:04 Calix wrote:
Does this basically confirm Xatalos as town due to VCA? Damdred/ disfo, pls chip in here.


By the way, in that case, which of my pushers do you think were scum?


This is something that requires me to look back. Remind me to give a shit about that build-up on you tomorrow.

From votes, Tweedledumb just sitting on disformation when he could have plausibly voted for Xatalos is quite interesting.

Adam looks 'obviously terrible' if you get my drift since he defended Eden a lot. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia as the 'paranoid townie' theory holds.

Koshi's read progression on you may warrant further investigation.

Nobody else's votes stand out to me right now.


Yeah I guess AMG/Koshi kind of look the most "obviously terrible". Besides rayn but hopefully that will clear up with night actions. Probably there were 1-2 scum who were just hedging and judging their chances. disfo? Dunno yet.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:16 GMT
#2203
On March 22 2017 07:12 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 07:08 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 07:05 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 07:04 Calix wrote:
Does this basically confirm Xatalos as town due to VCA? Damdred/ disfo, pls chip in here.


By the way, in that case, which of my pushers do you think were scum?


This is something that requires me to look back. Remind me to give a shit about that build-up on you tomorrow.

From votes, Tweedledumb just sitting on disformation when he could have plausibly voted for Xatalos is quite interesting.

Adam looks 'obviously terrible' if you get my drift since he defended Eden a lot. However, that doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia as the 'paranoid townie' theory holds.

Koshi's read progression on you may warrant further investigation.

Nobody else's votes stand out to me right now.


Remember that TW played the "paranoid townie" role EoD1 when Malongo flipped town. Now AMG plays the paranoid townie role D2 and Eden flips mafia.

Meh, I need to think on this and what it could mean for AMG/TW. I can see why Adam might stick his neck out for a teammate and try to put off the lynch for an extra day. But the fact that Eden was Goon kinda counters that


Eden was pretty worthless both as a thread presence and a role. Well, I guess getting one additional mislynch out of him and wasting D3 on him would have still been nice for them. I doubt both remaining scum went hard for me though... One might have. AMG?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:17 GMT
#2207
All of rayn/Koshi/AMG couldn't be scum in any case
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:32 GMT
#2221
AMG had the most scum agenda D2 I guess (defending Eden, pushing me, nothing much else stands out).

(Pretty much the same would go for rayn without the claim, since he indirectly defended Eden by pushing others, but oh well)

DF gains some cred by locking himself to vote for Eden to some extent.

Tumble/disfo/Onegu are kind of question marks to me. They didn't affect the lynch one way or another, at least in any important way. Onegu and disfo did end up voting for Eden though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:35 GMT
#2223
On March 22 2017 07:29 Calix wrote:
Given that Eden basically plagiarised disformation's reasons for scum-reading me, this might mean that disformation is town after all.

Mafia usually aren't in the business of copying each other's reads/ reasoning that blatantly.


A bit WIFOMy but not bad
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:36 GMT
#2224
On March 22 2017 07:35 Damdred wrote:
So from my perspective 8 v 2 atm

Damdred
Rayn
Koshi
calix
Disf
Df

Is in comfortable calling town

Maybe
Adam

So two
Out of xata, onegu, tumble

That has me feeling a little weird with the rit kill slightly, unless mafia plan was to go into rayn today.


Hmm why was I your top scums btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:42 GMT
#2228
On March 22 2017 07:39 Koshi wrote:
For tomorrow.

Did Onegu check in so many times to change his vote?
Did AGM force the Eden is town idea more in the thread than Xatalos is mafia?
Did darthfoley come in at the perfect time to gain max cred on voting Eden?


AMG focused more on defending Eden directly and indirectly I think. He only vaguely "disliked" me until rayn started pushing and then he voted, didn't really push me a lot.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:44 GMT
#2229
Dw Damdred, you'll end up lynching scum Xata one day
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 22:49 GMT
#2230
I guess AMG/Onegu are the most interesting ones for now.

I'd still like to hear what "blue claim" Onegu saw from me. What gives? In general, what have you even been doing?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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