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[M][N] I'm a Cop You Idiot Mafia -- Town's Revenge - Page 4

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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:13 GMT
#290
Why the hell would we sleep again? I am just going to die, flip doctor, and he will red check damd. We will have dual reds on damd, and you'll be at the same place minus a conf blue.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:14 GMT
#293
I literally claimed doctor who saved you last night rels....lulwut?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:16 GMT
#296
On February 14 2017 07:15 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 07:14 ritoky wrote:
I literally claimed doctor who saved you last night rels....lulwut?

So ... ?


"Damdred, claim doc, the other mafia will have to cc you." lulwut?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:17 GMT
#298
I am never rescinding. I can dig up the proof from my filter if anyone wants to knife fight me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:20 GMT
#300
Wait LS can't green his partner. Because is LS is mafia then Palmar is cop which necessitates Damdred is red. So Palmar is at LS/Damd. LS is at Palmar/damd or me but since I am confirmed blue, LS is at Palmar/damd. Damd is 100% confirmed mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:30 GMT
#306
ritoky blatantly talking about optimal save strategies in thread:

On February 11 2017 06:02 ritoky wrote:
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On February 11 2017 00:59 Palmar wrote:
Nice, new page good time to post optimal play guides:

@Doc: Do not claim your role until lylo (don't claim in mylo). I'm going to assume Malongo is a troll, not a retard. If he is genuinely doc and mafia believes him, he basically reduced our chance of winning from super likely to very unlikely.

Also @Doc, tread carefully with wifom. TL players are retarded and like to go for homeruns. I know it's going to be tempting to not protect me (or LS, if you're bad at life) tonight, but you really, really should protect me. It's optimal play for mafia to shoot into the 4 people that might be doc (aka, not me or the 2 scummers), because they should be assuming that I'm protected, which is the reason I claimed in the first place.

Yes, if you play optimally, your protection is "wasted" because mafia will shoot into town, BUT, I've seen mafia go for broke often in this setup (basically gamble the doc will try a big play, and just straight up shoot the cop). I am going to super mad if I die tonight.


I think there's an argument to be made that once the cop is CC'd protecting either is not the optimal play because mafia shooting either results in a 1 for 1 trade of cop for mafia which in this setup seems fine for town. It also keeps the doctor save "live" in the event that mafia doesn't want to shoot into the cop and trade, which optimally they won't do because it is a net loss.

But I suppose arguing optimal play semantics is not really for this thread.


ritoky thinking he softed too hard and is gonna die:

On February 11 2017 06:57 ritoky wrote:
was nice playing with you guys for a little bit again. i fully expect to die in 3 mins.




ritoky reacting to Malongo's claim:

On February 11 2017 08:16 ritoky wrote:
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On February 11 2017 07:56 Damdred wrote:
On February 11 2017 07:51 ritoky wrote:
Also LS, why is rels a higher priority check for you than Damdred, when they essentially made the same read on you?


I like this question. Like ls usually you like to have me confirmed at any point as you Wifom your way into he'll on me half the time.But it doesn't matter I'll be confirmed town soon anyway.

@LS and Rit what do you think of the doctor claim and the way he went about it?

That question for everyone who wants to answer.


i don't think he's the doctor. if i had to hazard a guess i think he is vt being a bonehead trying to do some kind of convoluted play that does more harm than good.

if he comes in an says "yo i am doctor, never rescinding, never back down" in his next posts, then i think he is mafia on the grounds he claims doctor and save target instantly and then turns around and calls LS scum cuz dumb/bad. at that point i just have to assume his level of hypocrisy and poor play makes him mafia.


ritoky pushing for Mal to hard claim so he can cc:

On February 11 2017 10:10 ritoky wrote:
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On February 11 2017 10:01 Malongo wrote:
On February 11 2017 09:48 ritoky wrote:
k, so it is damdred or malongo. malongo, you claiming doctor and never rescinding?

Theres no reason to confirm/deny at this point.

Still reading the thread, I really hate that somehow both DTs checked rels.


Why not? Palmar and LS are binary, rels is confirmed green, I am never mafia. If you have a way to confirm yourself as town through claim then damdred becomes confirmed mafia who we can immediately lynch.


we good here? we good.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:35 GMT
#314
malongo won't cc me. damdred will be the only one who will potentially cc me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:42 GMT
#319
here's the game state for anyone who doesn't feel like reading:

[image loading]

if damdred enters the thread and does anything other than claim doctor, he becomes instantly confirmed mafia and i become confirmed doctor.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 13 2017 22:43 GMT
#320
##vote: damdred

to me he is confirmed mafia in all worlds.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 10:39 GMT
#336
There's some upside to lynching between the cops this phase because if we get it correct, damdred cannot shoot me and then i could get a save that could extend the game right? 4v2 -> 4v1 -> 4v1 which means we could lynch both of us and win.

To me, that line of play is a bit of a longshot, plus I have confirmed mafia regardless of which cop is real in damdred...so...
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 10:53 GMT
#343
On February 14 2017 19:47 Rels wrote:
And even for you Damdred if conf town, but you WILL still have to chose between Palmar and LS.
I mean, you won't because you would be dead at that point, but town would have to chose anyway. So let's chose today


I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 10:56 GMT
#346
On February 14 2017 19:55 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:53 ritoky wrote:
On February 14 2017 19:47 Rels wrote:
And even for you Damdred if conf town, but you WILL still have to chose between Palmar and LS.
I mean, you won't because you would be dead at that point, but town would have to chose anyway. So let's chose today


I mean...not really. Lynching damdred who is conf scum will result in my immediate death since mafia won't risk leaving a conf medic alive cuz of save potential. So technically lynching damdred exempts me from having to choose, but I understand your general point. Some of it is under the assumption that palmar is 100% mafia though, because in the world where Palmar is town the game is literally over.

Nope, the reasonning is not made under the assumption Palmar is 100% mafia. I think Palmar is 99% mafia, but the reasonning is still correct without it.


Your post about LS checking between me and damd is under that assumption though. Because in the world where we lynch LS and get it right, Palmar already has his red check.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 10:58 GMT
#347
Semantics though, like I said I understand your general point and how there is upside to lynching into the cops since the game will eventually (whether this phase or a subsequent one) be determined by that decision. And while I agree that there is some upside to that, I think that I am very clearly and demonstrably the medic; thus making damdred mafia in all worlds so I would prefer to take the guaranteed mafia even if it has slightly lower upside.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 11:09 GMT
#350
On February 14 2017 20:00 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2017 19:58 ritoky wrote:
Semantics though, like I said I understand your general point and how there is upside to lynching into the cops since the game will eventually (whether this phase or a subsequent one) be determined by that decision. And while I agree that there is some upside to that, I think that I am very clearly and demonstrably the medic; thus making damdred mafia in all worlds so I would prefer to take the guaranteed mafia even if it has slightly lower upside.

I don't get that though. So you would rather be dead and not be part of the decision that make or break the game ? You have the chance to be alive and be townread and have your opinion matter there


Partially because I am back from vacation so my time is pretty much going to disappear at a rapid rate in the next 48 hrs, partially so I can blame other people in the event that they make the wrong call, partially because I prefer to take 100% certainties over non certainties. There's a lot of contributing factors for me.

When I wake up later I guess I will give damdred's filter a read now that I know he is 100% mafia and see if that leads me anywhere on the cop debate.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 11:15 GMT
#352
look if you and malongo agree on wanting to make the cop decision today, then i will suck it up and respect the conf town wishes and make the decision today, since you two would be making it the following phase anyway if i got my way.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 20:58 GMT
#480
I am super confused, but happy. Why would damdred vote his partner, that's just effectively conceding....w/e there's no real discussion to be had anymore. I am protecting LS, he will green check me or red check you, either way the game is over.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 21:00 GMT
#483
It's not wifom, it's the truth. You'll see in 24 hours or less. My claim will stand through checks.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 21:02 GMT
#487
It can't really be WIFOM though in the current gamestate. There's no discussion the following day if you leave the cop and medic alive. The game quite simply just ends because it is fully solved. I understand in a game-state where there's actual wiggle room to talk your way out, but that isn't this game.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 21:03 GMT
#488
On February 15 2017 06:02 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2017 05:58 ritoky wrote:
I am super confused, but happy. Why would damdred vote his partner, that's just effectively conceding....w/e there's no real discussion to be had anymore. I am protecting LS, he will green check me or red check you, either way the game is over.

I guess because he can`t really vote LS when Palmar put him red?


True, forgot that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
February 14 2017 21:05 GMT
#490
I would be very frustrated if I were palmar though. I hate it when you put tons of effort into a 1v1 scenario, the other guy doesn't do much of anything, and everyone TRs him for effectively "dumb" reasons.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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