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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On February 15 2017 03:00 Malongo wrote: But he could potentially vote you as town too. Why are you so convinced that Damdred is town? There is a dumb meta tell between me and Damdred that Rels can back me up. Damdred scumreads me when he's scum and me being town. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On February 15 2017 03:05 LightningStrike wrote: There is a dumb meta tell between me and Damdred that Rels can back me up. Damdred scumreads me when he's scum and me being town. But it holds like 0 value in face of a claim war right? Why did you chose me over ritoky or Damdred last night? | ||
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LightningStrike
United States14277 Posts
On February 15 2017 03:12 Malongo wrote: But it holds like 0 value in face of a claim war right? Why did you chose me over ritoky or Damdred last night? Maybe in a claim war. I thought you were scum with Palmar with how you claimed doc into unclaiming so I checked you. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18355 Posts
Damdred (1): Palmar (3): Rels, LightningStrike, Damdred LightningStrike (1): Not voting (1): Malongo With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch. If no majority is reached, the day ends in with no lynch | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
First Malongo, I don't know your experience in mafia. I've never seen you, but the database shows that you have several games played already. I don't know if you've ever played with Palmar and LightningStrike, but you can't use the same things to read them. Palmar is always more townie than LS - as either alignments for Palmar and LS. Palmar was considered the best player on this website in 2015. Granted that's a long time ago and now the only #1 place he can have is Best Game, but he's still a great player. Until very recently, LS was an extremely easy read 'cause his scumread was super bad. His recent scumgames have been impressive though, but he still can be read after adjusting. I'll explain that in a moment. So. Nothing Palmar has done this game is anything he couldn't do as scum. Nothing. Furthermore, his lack of fighting since the start of this game is scum indicative for anyone, and especially for him. Palmar hates being lynched. town!Palmar is very hard to lynch. Actually his philosophy is "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault": On December 04 2015 22:05 Palmar wrote: Dude... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10890802 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=10936906 I'm literally the goddamn prophet of "if you get lynched it's your own damn fault". That ties very well into what I was saying earlier about why I should never be vigged. + Show Spoiler [TOTALLY USELESS TO THE REST OF THE POST] + And here is how Palmar is able to construct post that fast So knowing that, then reading Palmar filter, you can see it's pretty unlikely be town!Palmar. It's lacking the will. The fighting. Just calling everyone and especially me bad and not bothering anymore. This is not town!Palmar, who in PyP carried the entire lazy town on his back to an almost clean sweep. LightningStrike on the other hand had very townie posts. As said before, he has a good scumgame now. But what he still fails to replicate is how he always doubt and chose the easy as town. He was actually pretty decisive as scum in the last games he played, talking about Millionaire and Liquidmafia Qualifier#1 there. Here we can see him doubting things that SHOULD be obvious. And WOULD be obvious to him if he was scum. Because he's over confident on "THIS DUDE IS CONF TOWN/SCUM" as scum. These posts, I don't see LS doing them unless his scumgame improved AGAIN (and if that happened, then I have no idea how I will read him next game we play together): On February 10 2017 07:23 LightningStrike wrote: With that being said idk if it makes palmar scum or trying to bait a shot on him instead the real cop (me). On February 10 2017 07:29 LightningStrike wrote: Fine but I wanted to make sure he's scum 100%  Thinking Palmar could be town fakeclaiming and wanting to check him. On February 11 2017 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: Well there is a chance you are scum though. Maybe I should check Damdred if we end up not lynching anyone today. Showing doubts about ritoky when the easy target is Malongo. I think LS goes "the team is Palmar / Malongo" as scum, like Damdred and I did during D1. It was the easy target. It was the easy red check to fake as scum too. Voilà about the reads on Palmar and LS themselves. Just taking that into account I'm lynching Palmar 80% of the time there. The first lynch is never the highest probability lynch, which is why it's complicated to have a slamdunk scum in this setup since we only have one lynch, but I would lynch Palmar over LS for that. BUT THAT IS NOT ALL. Now let's take into consideration the other players interactions with Palmar and LS. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
IF RITOKY IS SCUM. Well, palmar is scum. So no need to consider that since I'm trying to prove Palmar is scum. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
His treatment of Palmar is very partner indicative. First, you need to know that Damdred is known to bus. A lot. And in this game if he bussed, Palmar is his partner. But more than that, he showed TMI. During D1 he read Palmar as 99% scum, but at the same time tried to lynch you, Malongo. This is extremely logical if he's scum: on one hand he scumread the dude that he knows being scum, but can't afford to lynch; on the other hand, he's trying to get a mislynch. And in doing that, he did something that scum sometimes do when they bus; he used the fact that he KNEW that Palmar was scum to try to lynch ANOTHER TOWNIE: On February 12 2017 22:32 Damdred wrote: Yeah I was just busy yesterday or I would of posted more. Like to me the game is really simple, I think LS is just town. I think as scum he would of caved to me badgering him with all of my questions about the doc claim but he just stubbornly kept his no opinion that he did before. I really think as scum he would of just caved at that point and given me what I wanted. Rels is confirmed town and green. So basically the game boils down to Rit vs Mal for me and i'm pretty sure my meta read is still accurate on Rit. Mal has been pretty anti-town and seemingly mafia oriented this game. His doc claim was never going to draw a shot especially if Palmar was scum. It felt more like him trying to draw a CC early in the game and just go with that. He keeps soft scum reading me without any real explanation and just name dropping me he started that n0 with no real explanation. His latest posts not giving any information are still horrid. And then his rescinded claim was just as bad only after direct pressure and people saying they didnt' believe him did he take it back. Hes the 2nd scum. And in either case if LS/Palmar can get a second check tonight the game is over anyway. On February 13 2017 04:17 Damdred wrote: That's an interesting swing from malongo. Puts Palmar one from lynch then moved to no lynch. Idk the whole sequence has me uneasy, like hints that he knows Palmar is red with his little hint hint thing but then instantly backs off because he could be the real dt. I'm fact the read progression doesn't make any sense, he starts at Palmar has to be the cop over ls because of his bad posts. Gates both checked rels and then bites Palmar and almost iinstantly unvotes. I can only see mafia motivation in that. I know you want to lynch Palmar today rels but I think the correct play is to lynch malongo today. Then finish the game with Palmar v ls. ##vote malongo And as for your early question rels I think it's 99%. And if mal is scum I think their is no doubt it's palmar. So join me on this one. This is TMI. Right there. If it isn't it's the most perfect fake TMI that I've ever seen. Damdred is drawing a Palmar / Malongo team and tries to lynch Malongo. But when I'm trying to make him change his mind and kill Palmar instead, he refuses: On February 13 2017 04:26 Damdred wrote: If that's what we are relying on though we should no lunch then. The night kill will be more interesting with Palm/lls alive since they can't kill the cop without saccing and the doc should probably protect you and then we have a kill between ritoky and me. Then the real cop checks mal me or rit. So more than likely the game is over with a no lynch here to. Idk just seems simple like that. Doc claims, good report checks. Game is over. And really what if I'm wrong on ls even if this is the 1% he's emulating really well and one ml and a lose I think. If he's scum, why ? He was ready to convince people that Malongo was scum and try to kill him. I was obviously more than ready to lynch Palmar. Malongo was easy to convince. LS was voting him. IF DAMDRED WAS SCUM AND PALMAR TOWN DAMDRED FAILED TO GRAB A CHANCE TO LYNCH PALMAR VERY EASILY. Just had to say "Well OK Rels ##vote Palmar". At that point it's important to remember that we'ret alking about scum!Damdred. If Damdred is not scum, ritoky is scum => Palmar is scum. So we're talking about Damdred being scum there => the explanation cannot be "Damdred was town and not that sure Palmar was town". WE RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCENARIO WHERE DAMDRED IS SCUM THERE. WHY DID HE NOT PUSH FOR A PALMAR LYNCH ? THE GAME WAS WON RIGHT THERE. So these two points make me believe really hard that if Damdred is scum, Palmar is scum. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I barely ever bus anymore :'(. really have changed that facet of my game meh. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On February 15 2017 04:40 Damdred wrote: I really hate you giving incorrect meta thats obviously changed rels. I barely ever bus anymore :'(. really have changed that facet of my game meh. Why do you even care, I'm fighting for a Palmar lynch there. p: If you're doc ritoky will concede after Palmar is lynched | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
you may as well put some nice music, i`m voting Palmar in 10 minutes | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
##Vote: Palmar | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12972 Posts
HAMMER Palmar the mafia goon has been lynched. It is now night 2. Night 2 ends in | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
LIGHTNINGSTRIKE: you check Damdred. DAMDRED: you protect LightningStrike. RITOKY: you protect LightninStrike. Tomorrow we lynch Damdred if the check is red, or ritoky if the check is green. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
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