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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 17:11 GMT
#753
Would let you lynch me over HF. I think he is a coin flip at best and the chance that he is town and wins it for me would give him mvp and me the second most points for saving him. Im willing to risk it.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 17:12 GMT
#761
On January 18 2017 02:12 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:11 Onegu wrote:
Would let you lynch me over HF. I think he is a coin flip at best and the chance that he is town and wins it for me would give him mvp and me the second most points for saving him. Im willing to risk it.

this follows what u said earlier that in mylo hf would nail mafia and i agree but i dont want to lose u because i have a town read on you so why cant we find someone other than EITHER of u



I would prefer this.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 17:24 GMT
#812
On January 18 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:
Ls vote on hf is so bad and is scrum indicative of him I think, lure she do for no reason



This isnt English
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 17:25 GMT
#816
On January 18 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote ls


maybe a bit late but I read hapa's scum games :D



Ok I can do this

##Unvote

##Vote: LightningStrike
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 17:25 GMT
#819
Yeah hammer plz
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 17:27 GMT
#829
Yeah not lynching vivax...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 17:45 GMT
#872
ill be back in a bit
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 21:01 GMT
#957
On January 18 2017 05:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Onegu

Partly scummy, partly lynchbait.

From how the lynch went down, I'd argue Onegu looks the worst.

Why Onegu is mafia:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 12:32 Onegu wrote:
On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.



Rels is my biggest read right now. The call out on damdred seems really forced and fake. His read on me seemed fake. Then when called out on it he went from giving me a town read down into scummy would lynch pile.

Honestly I wouldnt lynch you or HF today. I normally stray away from trying to get a read on him early. Because when I do I am usually wrong but when we get to lylo and he is still around I can usually get a read on him either by does he have a reason to be alive and if he does have a reason does his shit make sense.

I would lynch you over him at this point and it hurts me to say this. Not really sure how between slams first posts and my vote on him did he do anything useful and yet you think he looks ok and my vote on him is scummy. But again I would prefer not to lynch you or holyflare day 1. I really believe trying to get reads on you day 1 are pointless.

I would never lynch Vivax. He is by far my top town at this point. He saw the same thing I saw about rels.

LS/Damdred I am fairly meh on. Really think rels is a much better lynch over them.

Also for rels calling out slam do something seemed like a way for him to try to gain town cred for calling out a player who wasnt doing much even though it is slam and he plays wilder than I do game from game. Rels knows this.

##Unvote

##Vote Rels


Firstly, this case is a very typical mafia case. It looks all nice and pretty, but it doesn't hold up to a closer look. The entire post reads as a way for Onegu to take a stance, without actually providing any useful things to town.
1) The analysis is useless. His case boils down to "I think Rels play looks forced", which is unhelpful to say the least. It's a completely subjective tell. Hell, 75% of the post talks about people other than his main scum-read.
2) Onegu talks about Vivax being top town, and "seeing the same thing as Vivax saw about Rels." But it doesn't make a lot of sense for him to do this. Vivax's case on Rels was based on not understanding that Rels was actively catching up in thread and updating his reads while he was posting. Onegu did the same thing this game, and mentions that he does it frequently. Yet for some reason, Onegu doesn't understand what's wrong with vivax's read.
3) The timing is weird. It's a very typical mafia play to bomb a case on a player that no one is really talking about to create chaos. At this point, I had just posted my case on Holyflare, and HF/Vivax votes were on Damdred.

Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:11 Onegu wrote:
Would let you lynch me over HF. I think he is a coin flip at best and the chance that he is town and wins it for me would give him mvp and me the second most points for saving him. Im willing to risk it.

This is just a weird martyr post that feels very forced. It's like he's trying to play up his desire not to lynch HF, knowing full well that he himself (Onegu) wasn't at risk of being lynched.

Why he could be Lynchbait?
Onegu is notoriously hard to read, and somewhat of an inactive player. He also has molded his playstyle to be unreadable on meta, or so he has said in the past.

On balance? Mafia
Onegu seems to be pushing mafia objectives. His push of Rels was very useless. The Holyflare martyr stuff seems very fake. It's one of those things that looks like you're sticking your neck out, but you're really not.



1) Yeah it talks about other things than my scum read so what. I still scum read rels and I gave my reasons for doing so. Why is it subjective?
2) I agreed with vivax and liked how he pointed the rels thing out. I still dont want to lynch him and think you are trying to force 2 town lynches.
3) Why is the timing weird and why does this even matter. I pointed out something I didnt like, who cares what the timing is. You want me to not point something out hapa? Also its not true. I wasnt much behind what I wrote that Vivax pointed out what I was talking about, and shortly after that Slam agreed with me.

The martyr post. You are wrong. It was just posted right before that Rels would lynch me if not HF. It was in response to that post that I would rather be lynched than HF.

On January 18 2017 02:05 Rels wrote:
The only other lynch I could do is Onegu. But I prefer HF

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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 21:07 GMT
#958
Creed is on Amazon Prime now and I havent seen it yet. Thats where I will be.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 18 2017 12:21 GMT
#1050
So I have now found out The Wire is on Amazon Prime now and I have never seen it. Thats where I will be.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 14:44 GMT
#1248
Im here. I thought about claiming 1shot cop with red on Hapa or Damdred as that is my scumteam currently. But I figured I would get lynched first flip green and then nothing would happen. People be like lets lynch onegu to make sure his claim is true because it is one shot or some shit and it is frowned upon here.

Anyway my guess is they lynch me or slam. Kill HF. Then lylo kill vt slam. Then people look back at this game and go how did we lynch LS, Onegu, and slam in a row and not see the vets just killing "Lynchbait".
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 14:45 GMT
#1249
Damdreds read flip on LS, and then Rels death.

##Vote: Damdred.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 15:59 GMT
#1251
On January 20 2017 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Why are you so sure that HF is town?



Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 16:09 GMT
#1253
On January 20 2017 01:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 00:59 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Why are you so sure that HF is town?



Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so...


I don't understand the last sentence, what did they not need to do?

And why does Hapa look worse?




Wouldnt need to bus each other with the ammount of lynchbait.

And Feels.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 16:09 GMT
#1254
Feel better about damdred being scum though. Hence the vote on damdred.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 16:32 GMT
#1259
On January 20 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
And why do you keep not town reading me but effectively calling me town?



Im not town reading you just not putting you in my lynch catagory
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 16:33 GMT
#1260
On January 20 2017 01:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 00:59 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Why are you so sure that HF is town?



Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so...


But that's what I don't get that both you and slam keep perpetuating, why does there have to be a choice between me/hapa?



It doesnt. I am saying hapa is giving me weird feeling. Vivax was the one who asked me about you.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 16:33 GMT
#1261
On January 20 2017 01:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 01:09 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 01:06 Vivax wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:59 Onegu wrote:
On January 20 2017 00:09 Vivax wrote:
Why are you so sure that HF is town?



Im not but I think hapa looks worse than HF at this point. And I would lynch hapa over HF here. I also doubt they are a scum team together. There was enough lynch bait in this game they didnt need to do so...


I don't understand the last sentence, what did they not need to do?

And why does Hapa look worse?




Wouldnt need to bus each other with the ammount of lynchbait.


And Feels.


This is so extremely naive I don't even know



Yet it is true.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 17:28 GMT
#1269
On January 20 2017 02:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Damdred I think is with my margin of error. I do have that "genuine thought process" read on him, but his EoD does look very very bad. Bad enough to reconsider things. Margin for error here because he could just be legit inactive.

Onegu is lynchbaity I guess, but I also feel he's pushing mafia objectives. He's active but not contributing. His Rels case was pretty shit.
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2017 23:45 Onegu wrote:
Damdreds read flip on LS, and then Rels death.

##Vote: Damdred.


Him voting Damdred currently for these reasons is pretty silly. I don't' care how LS and Damdred pitched it - getting a read wrong does not make someone mafia. Also, Rels' death equally implicates Onegu.



First part his flip when he is supposed to be the LS meta master where he town reads him hard then flips fast toward eod to lynch him. And yes but I am vt therefore makes Damdred look worse.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 19 2017 17:42 GMT
#1276
On January 20 2017 02:35 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2017 02:31 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 20 2017 02:25 Vivax wrote:
Hapa what's your opinion of this game so far.


I'm pretty confident you're town.

I'm reasonably confident Bill Murray is town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=59#1180
Posts like these show a very good thought process. He seems to be invested in the game and caring what happens.

My gut is screaming that I was wrong on my Slam read. I've been going over his scum-games for the past hour, and they feel very different. His emotions are very simplistic in those - either outright trolling or calling someone mafia. He's much more nuanced here. Also his travel schedule and inactivity basically explains all his actions. Hard to find mafia when you have to filter on a phone.
Also the idea that Slam finishes D1 without voting looks like he's not overly concerned with covering his tracks. Not hard to just drop a vote on Damdred or HF or someone at EoD if you're mafia to look good.

That leaves the other three above.



You know, the big shiny posts don't a town make. You don't see what I see, you only see what you have to do in order to win the game for your faction, and that gives you away.

I currently believe this game is a shitshow.

Damdred is MIA and I'm starting to believe for good reason cause he's a good hearted guy. Only you and HF -the scum- play this game like it's supposed to be played.

Slam comes in shouting Gollum gollum, Onegu probably didn't read 90 % of the game and just does his thing, but doesn't take the game seriously, I applaude him for trying to though.

BM also probably just skimmed some shit and does his thing a bit like 1gu.

And all of this never affects you emotionally in your posts and that's a giveaway.

But whatever. This isn't a championship game, it's a fucking farce. I'm tilted and I'm not hiding it. I just now know EXACTLY how rayn felt when he quit the forum.



Rayn is Rayn and has been for years... I have read the entire thread. And I have always done my own thing. Honestly your anger this game is what is putting me off on you.
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