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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 02:47 GMT
#486
On January 17 2017 03:54 Hapahauli wrote:
So... you're voting for Slam because his opening is bad, and not because you think he's suspicious?



Yes
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 02:51 GMT
#488
On January 17 2017 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:
Based on the last few pages, I'm between Onegu and Damdred for mafia.

Slam's opening was bad, but I liked the subsequent posts. He makes observations that are matter-of-fact and very self-aware. There's also a huge lynchbait factor here. In his own words, Slam is not a good communicator regardless of alignment.

Onegu's vote on Slam is strange and scummy. I can't tell if it's policy, legitimate suspicion, or something in between. Slam has also been talking and interacting with the thread, and I don't like Onegu coming in and just shitting on his first 4 posts without even attempting to engage him.

Damdred for the posts above.



Im not even to his subsequent posts Hapa, I am behind. I am trying to catch up. Jump on dumb stuff much hapa.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
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January 17 2017 02:51 GMT
#489
On January 17 2017 11:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Are you caught up?



Not even close. I had the page open where I posted last and read that. I am still on page 13...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 02:54 GMT
#491
Oh I did see something back in those early pages I forgot to mention. It was rels Damdred/LS points. Rels goes I have no reason to town read LS but Damdred who claims he can read him is spewing him town.

But why doesnt rels ever go to the possibility that maybe Damdred can actually read LS. Just because Rels has no reason to townread LS doesnt mean Damdred doesnt. Seems like a really flimsy reason to scum read Damdred.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 02:55 GMT
#492
On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.



Yes got my pain meds in my system and am reading.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 03:17 GMT
#493
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most


The newbie we were just In I did it and you didnt have any problems then. So why some now?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 03:20 GMT
#494
On January 17 2017 12:17 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:

On January 16 2017 23:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:55 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:
On January 16 2017 22:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Oh and also another game where you were his scummate Rels: Season of the Witch:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Damdred
Granted he tried to fake a red check on me at EoD to lynch me but failed.


the plot thickens

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?user=Damdred Another gem filter that I had linked there about me vs Damdred(I wasn't scum).

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

Nope.


which I think I hate by far the most


The newbie we were just In I did it and you didnt have any problems then. So why some now?


I mean the gif game. But I do this in everygame I am in and we have played many and you never bitched about it before.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 03:32 GMT
#495
On January 17 2017 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:
Can we exchange expect you to finish this cycle? I don't care about you posting past outdated info. Get caught up, tell me who you think is mafia, and talk to me about Holyflare.



Rels is my biggest read right now. The call out on damdred seems really forced and fake. His read on me seemed fake. Then when called out on it he went from giving me a town read down into scummy would lynch pile.

Honestly I wouldnt lynch you or HF today. I normally stray away from trying to get a read on him early. Because when I do I am usually wrong but when we get to lylo and he is still around I can usually get a read on him either by does he have a reason to be alive and if he does have a reason does his shit make sense.

I would lynch you over him at this point and it hurts me to say this. Not really sure how between slams first posts and my vote on him did he do anything useful and yet you think he looks ok and my vote on him is scummy. But again I would prefer not to lynch you or holyflare day 1. I really believe trying to get reads on you day 1 are pointless.

I would never lynch Vivax. He is by far my top town at this point. He saw the same thing I saw about rels.

LS/Damdred I am fairly meh on. Really think rels is a much better lynch over them.

Also for rels calling out slam do something seemed like a way for him to try to gain town cred for calling out a player who wasnt doing much even though it is slam and he plays wilder than I do game from game. Rels knows this.

##Unvote

##Vote Rels
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 03:33 GMT
#496
@Vivax I think you should get back on Rels with me.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 03:34 GMT
#497
I am around for a while. Questions and concerns plz direct my way.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 03:41 GMT
#499
On January 17 2017 12:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 06:49 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:46 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:43 Alakaslam wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:31 LightningStrike wrote:
On January 17 2017 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait

See LS you pointed out in Damdred something I don't like.

Not scummy per se, mind you, I just don't like it:

Soft defending is scummy.

Oh really? I thought attacking everyone you see was scummy. Or attacking no one at all.

See scum have all the options in the world. Cause ultimately, the best play as scum is to be townie. So

Lol

Both of the bolded can be considered scummy depending on context and or what else they done with it.

Exactly! But town is capable of both. What if you simply actually think someone is town- but only kind of?

See what you just pointed out is the correctness. But I digress. So me one has asked me who I think is scum via the question, "who do you want to lynch today".

Thus far? I say wait for the inactives! It is still day one. But forced to pick now, I would lynch rels from pure moguls. But he has made sense, so even there I can't honestly lynch him.

He makes sense.

But if I HAD TI DECIDE RIGHT NOW then there you are. Ñot exactly helpful but there I did it ñoñ

Slam I don't understand why you would pick me

Oh moguls should read OMGUS. That's my phone.

I don't even scumread you, it was omgus. But now it'd be onegu for doing squat and omgus on top of that

...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 03:44 GMT
#500
You realize I am not scum reading you slam so why would you omgus me?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 04:59 GMT
#508
On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.

I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious.



I have seen town HF have so many scum reads it was dumb. And I have seen town HF have very few scumreads day 1. I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 05:01 GMT
#509
Alright I am going to get to sleep a bit early now. Hopefully so I can wake up early get my son up early bathed clothed fed and to his grandmother to watch him for a bit so I can be around for this ridiculously early deadline for EST people...
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 05:55 GMT
#511
On January 17 2017 14:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 13:59 Onegu wrote:
On January 17 2017 12:54 Hapahauli wrote:
First Holyflare. Does it make sense to you that town HF has all those scumreads and behaves as he does? Or are you just not considering HF period.

I'll look at Rels. My impression of his play up till now was that I was disagreeing with a lot of what he said, but nothing he said was suspicious.



I have seen town HF have so many scum reads it was dumb. And I have seen town HF have very few scumreads day 1.


That's not really the point. Does town-HF have that many scum reads (most of whom were active in the thread), and instead plop his vote on Damdred to "see where it goes"? His vote seems very half-hearted and uninterested, which is weird as shit considering how many people he was actually suspicious of. You'd think he'd find a target to passionately go after.

Show nested quote +
I really just dont try to read him until later in the game. My thoughts is if he is town scum have to shoot him because he will figure things out eventually. And if he is scum is reads later in the game wont make as much sense and he will still be alive which under normal circumstances he wont. I have been in games where scum left him alive until mylo and he solved the game. It just takes time for me to form a read I am comfortable with on him.


Just try. It's not that hard.


Yeah Ill do it my way. I am town hapa and I will do it my way. When I am scum Ill do it your way Teacher.

If I say I am not good at reading HF day 1 and have incorrectly read him multiple times attempting to do so you have to respect that.

Which makes HF null to me now and lynching him would be a 2/9 chance of getting it correct. And if we get it wrong and lynch a town HF we lose one of the best scum hunters on this site. So the fact that you want me to keep looking at someone who I have already told you I have incorrectly read multiple times attempting to do so you want me to make a read on someone that I will already have no faith in my read on.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 05:55 GMT
#512
Goodnight boys, and girls if there are any.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 15:31 GMT
#623
On January 18 2017 00:04 Rels wrote:
basically
if one people (LS, Damdred, BM, Onegu ...) comes back + HF we have to lynch Slam
if two people comes back we can lynch HF



Yeah Im not doing either of these things...

Getting my son ready My mom will be here to pick him up in 45min to a hour and take him out to the store. Then. ILL BE BACK!
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 16:14 GMT
#674
I am here. I dont want to lynch HF. I really dont want to. Dont lynch HF.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 16:14 GMT
#677
On January 18 2017 01:13 Alakaslam wrote:
I would far rather lynch Damdred but in majority I have to compromise to get a lynch.



Would lynch Damdred over HF
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9695 Posts
January 17 2017 16:48 GMT
#711
Sigh who are we lynching? I dont want to lynch HF. But I will hammer if I have to but really really dont want to.
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