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On January 09 2017 11:05 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 10:48 Calix wrote:On January 09 2017 10:40 darthfoley wrote:
No reason to go for the jackpot when we're already down a doc. Anyways there's nothing we can do about it now so let's focus on trying not to waste D2 by being super lazy and simply lynching btdt I don't think your concerns are unreasonable given that Grack and Vivax were both town. However I'm not seeing anything in your post that suggests one/ both of them are doing this on purpose as opposed to townies who were just wrong on D1. It's typical of them to tag-team their scum-reads from my experience. As it stands, it's counterproductive to tinfoil this early. Not that this has ever stopped you, of course. I'm sounding like a stodgy teacher here with lecturing but it's almost 2am, I kinda want to sleep and I think town needs a kick up the arse. Half the posts since Vivax's death have been NKA WIFOM, role speculation WIFOM and BTDT votes. Alright well show us the way, master + Show Spoiler +
While I'm skeptical of how accurate Onegu's point about KSC being incriminated by the NK is, I'll let it slide if it means more pressure on KSC for whenever he shows up. He is a rather large missing puzzle piece atm.
I think ME needs to be talked about more also, especially the damning points that I raised against him during the night and how he responded to that. Only SW/ ika really discussed that iirc.
In terms of how people ITT reacted to Vivax pre-death, I recall there being a bunch of scum-reads on Vivax shortly before he died. I think those people are more likely to be town because scum don't generally kill off their scum-reads as that's a waste of a potential ML. This is kinda WIFOM so I will check to see how they did it when I am properly awake and functioning though.
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On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died....
Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk.
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On January 10 2017 04:26 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 04:18 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 03:55 ika42 wrote:
wow this game died.... Still around? I'm free for a bit if you want to talk. Somewhat. Ive been poping in and out and dealing with some stuff What do you think of ME doubling down on wanting to lynch me next.
I think it's an overreaction to your response. I can get being annoyed that someone's not cooperating with you if it was over a longer series of posts but given that wasn't the case, his reaction to "have you been reading the thread" is out of place.
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On January 10 2017 04:37 darthfoley wrote:
Yea ME's response reminds me of Grack's response to similar questions. It actually kinda gives me towny vibes tbh. The tone seems pretty idgaf
I didn't read his emotional response as "idgaf" since he literally goes "lynch ika then me"
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On January 10 2017 04:40 ika42 wrote:
if BTDT was flipped, who would you lynch next
lets do both town and scum flips just for argument sake
I want to lynch ME next regardless of how BTDT flips because of that fucking awful vote post.
If BTDT flips red then I would think that Boston is clear at least, otherwise I would reread Boston again. I don't recall BTDT having much substantial interaction with many other people - most of his filter is him bickering with me - so I hesitate to draw conclusions about other players from what he's said.
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On January 10 2017 04:45 darthfoley wrote:
Well if btdt flips scum then i would be even more suspicious of the other people who were up for lynch. That would be b0ston and KSC iirc, cuz btdt would probably be a mafia goon trying to save his GF or RB from a D1 lynch.
If he flips town, i'm not sure where to look considering how bad of a play it was. Probably the people I was suspicious of pre claim/cc and those who didn't really take sides or sat it out. Not sure who that is yet, i'll take a look
I agree that scum would most likely have coasted through that shitshow of an EOD. Given that BTDT cc'd pretty damn quickly after Grack claimed, scummers would probably have been taken off-guard.
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I think it is extremely likely that all of SW/ DF/ ika are town. Even if there's like, one scum among you guys then I'm not too worried because if we work together to figure out the scum among the inactives then any 'deep wolves' will have to work with the townies and will have a hard time pushing a scum agenda without giving themselves away.
If we get into the mid/ late game with no scum flips then I'd be suspicious but I think arguing among ourselves is going to backfire right now.
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On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town
He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt.
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On January 10 2017 05:13 beentheredonethat wrote:
You guys wasted D2. Congratulations. Not like I specifically asked you not to do that. #dropsMic #VTout
I'd take you more seriously if you contributed and didn't make inflammatory posts like this every other breath. You yourself consider that to be a scum tell.
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On January 10 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:14 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt. Noted. I will try to be more conversational. My posts in the past are bulky, because of real life time restraints. So my philosophy was quality over quantity. Right now aside from unanimously agreeing to lynch btdt, there are no leads. Therefore I will be more conversational!
Then make one. You have to be proactive if you want to get anywhere, although I'll grant you that most people will slack off because BTDT is 100% dying.
From what I recall, you have a scum-lean on Onegu, I take it? What do you make of his interactions with other players?
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On January 10 2017 06:01 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:37 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:On January 10 2017 05:14 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt. Noted. I will try to be more conversational. My posts in the past are bulky, because of real life time restraints. So my philosophy was quality over quantity. Right now aside from unanimously agreeing to lynch btdt, there are no leads. Therefore I will be more conversational! Then make one. You have to be proactive if you want to get anywhere, although I'll grant you that most people will slack off because BTDT is 100% dying. From what I recall, you have a scum-lean on Onegu, I take it? What do you make of his interactions with other players? He is single minded in my eye. He was on to B0, because B0 voted for him because he was suspicious. Then B0 said it was for pressure. I don't think B0 claiming that he was hiding that it was a pressure vote is scummy. But, if B0 did not focus on Onegu, I feel that Onegu would have totally disregarded it. He also has many single liners which have no purpose, and too many posts about activity. He said Vivax looks bad to him, and never elaborated. I questioned why he felt that way, and he responded because as a vet he should not defend players. Since then he has not defended his reads. So he keeps his motives to himself. Vivax was later killed. I now have to head to work...
I don't expect a response to this straight away but your points need some fleshing out since I'm not entirely sure what your argument is and your sentences are all choppy.
Has your read on Boston changed as a result of your read on Onegu? It seems that way to me from what you've said about Onegu's push and "keeping his motives to himself". Personally I think what you're referring to (how Onegu posts) is play-style indicative as opposed to alignment-indicative.
I'm assuming that you're saying with the last part that "Onegu didn't follow up on a stated scum-read of his and that scum-read later died" which, if I'm right here, isn't actually a terrible point.
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Decided to filter Onegu after that point re: Vivax NK.
So his stated scum-reads are Boston, Vivax, Grack -> BTDT.
He doesn't bring up Vivax after EOD1 in any significant way. In fact, he later agrees with Vivax that reps is scummy.
On January 09 2017 07:55 Onegu wrote:I could vote him... Boston also After we lynch btdt of course.
His reasons for changing his mind on Vivax, if he did, are absent from his filter and I would like him to explain his thought process whenever he's next online.
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On January 10 2017 06:55 B0stonSC wrote:
Okay Everyone right now I'm super torn. I feel that BTDT should be lynched, because he was a total idiot. However, I also think that is a waste of a lynch when the Scum team is (in my humble opinion) ME and KSC (don't know who the third is). But if I say, "oh let's not lynch BTDT" and he turns out to be scum, then I'll look bad, and will probably get lynched next. This is just what I feel the best play is for us, not lynching BTDT just yet. But since most of you seem to disagree with me, I don't think I'll be changing any minds.
Huh?
Why would you be torn with lynching BTDT if you only have two scum-reads? I don't see anything in your post that explains why you doubt that he's scum or how lynching him today is not optimal play.
Your self-awareness has been noted.
Why do you scum-read the other two anyway?
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On January 10 2017 07:20 B0stonSC wrote:
Well for ME he hasn't been very active, and he doesn't give reads or really push the game forward at all. This seems counter intuitive to the goal of town players (push the game forward and solve the game). And, as we all know, the opposite of town is scum, hence my thoughts on him. For KSC he has posted less than three serious posts, with lots of posting being done.
I think you're being selective here on how you scum-hunt (ME/ yourself and KSC/ Onegu).
I wouldn't say you are much better than ME and if you disagree then you should explain why that's the case. I get that you two are new and are struggling in some respects regardless of alignment but I think it's strange that you are calling out ME for that of all reasons.
Does your KSC logic also apply to Onegu? If not, what are the differences between the two of them in your eyes?
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lol wtf did I just walk back into?
On January 11 2017 05:15 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 04:40 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 04:34 beentheredonethat wrote:
I used to make those cases as scum. They look awesome but in the end those oneliner reactions aren't great. I don't think this case is too good. Can you let him say this for himself ? Or let Silverwolf77 let it say for him ? Because that's what those two have been doing all game. Defend each other. This is basically what i'm paranoid about... there is no paranoia between them lol
If SW/ ika are two of the scum then we are super-fucked, but I don't think that's the case.
However I don't buy into the whole "soul read" thing they have (if for no other reason than it dumbs down the game) and I wouldn't recommend that people rely on those when reading the two of them.
As for the actual cases being made, lemme read up now.
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Okay, those giant posts of one-liners were a pile of crap. I don't understand what line of thinking BTDT is using. Like when he says something and makes a conclusion, I do not follow how he gets from A to B. It's hard to tell how valid his points actually are when I don't get what his points are in the first place.
ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them?
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On January 11 2017 05:28 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:00 reps)squishy wrote:
What are you doing? If you want to see why he was convinced that I was town you cannot read a filter. You are only seeing his posts...
I would like to know why you think I am scum. What am I doing ? I am trying to build a case against ika. I am not filter reading just him, I looked at your post. Are you trying to imply that I am being sloppy ? ( I probably am because i am playing this for the first time, but not in the way you are implying ). I'll let you know why I think you are scum: Quite a few of your posts are of the form : 'I am not around/work/car died/ but I try to make it up with posting 'quality'.' . It appears as if you are trying to be useful. Show nested quote +On January 09 2017 09:44 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:39 ika42 wrote:On January 09 2017 09:35 reps)squishy wrote:On January 09 2017 09:30 ika42 wrote:
Cool silver is town Can you elaborate please. Did you read the start of the night? where i was talking to vix about it? Yes, but I will have to reread to get a clearer picture. Now when you ask ika why you think SW is town, ika responds with 'have you read the posts'. You respond with 'yes, but i need to re-read them for a clearer picture' Why ? If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology. Show nested quote +On January 10 2017 05:30 reps)squishy wrote:On January 10 2017 05:14 Calix wrote:On January 10 2017 04:56 darthfoley wrote:On January 08 2017 06:15 ika42 wrote:
rep is partner trying to save grak.
calling it now Also wondering what you make of squishy atm, now that Grack flipped town He's pretty weird. He has a strong start and I really liked the way he was approaching the game, felt legit to me. However he doesn't interact much with the thread and doesn't have a conversational way of posting so it's hard to get a feel for him. Even when he made some one-liners, he still talked like he had a stick up his arse. It sucks that we don't have any meta on him tbh. I don't think his Onegu post was that bad if you look at it out of context but his timing was whack and it doesn't fit with the rest of his filter imo. Given that, I have downgraded him to null for similar reasons to D1!kmatt. Noted. I will try to be more conversational. My posts in the past are bulky, because of real life time restraints. So my philosophy was quality over quantity. Right now aside from unanimously agreeing to lynch btdt, there are no leads. Therefore I will be more conversational! Now here you again talk about this philosophy of yours, but what was that post then ? These are my reasons for calling you scum.
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI.
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On January 11 2017 05:42 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:29 Calix wrote:
ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them? Ok. Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI. ok, noted, but I don't think people should keep mentioning RL activity. What do you mean by you don't see an apology there ?
"If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology."
Where is the apology you refer to? There isn't one in the quote you referenced when you wrote that line.
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On January 11 2017 05:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2017 05:45 Calix wrote:On January 11 2017 05:42 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:On January 11 2017 05:29 Calix wrote:
ME's post also does not make a great deal of sense. I'll admit to only skimming that one but any 'case' with that many quotes needed is going to be mediocre at best.
Also for the love of Christ, can people please spoiler the text walls if you're gonna respond to them? Ok. On January 11 2017 05:34 Calix wrote:
This is actually readable, thank God.
Talking about people mentioning RL/ activity reasons/ etc is NOT something that should be used to determine someone's alignment. It really gets on my nerves when people speculate whether someone is lying about their RL issues because all that does is piss off the suspect in question and it does NOTHING.
Re: the actual read here, how do those posts 'try to look useful'?
I don't see an apology there so I do not understand your jump to your last line, nor do I see how any of this is AI. ok, noted, but I don't think people should keep mentioning RL activity. What do you mean by you don't see an apology there ? "If you are contributing for quality over quantity, would you not already point out holes in ika's argument rather than come up with an apology." Where is the apology you refer to? There isn't one in the quote you referenced when you wrote that line. Do you actually have to say 'Sorry' for it to count as an apology. Look at the tone of his posts earlier, now suddenly he goes on to say that, I'll re-read, if he wants to contribute with quality over quantity ( which frankly should be everyone's goal ), shouldn't he already be on top of that post. He doesn't throw shade at it later, doesn't explain why he changed his opinion, when he had questioned it earlier.
Uh, yes?
I have no idea what the rest of this says and I've probably lost brain cells trying to comprehend this.
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I can literally feel a headache coming on from trying to understand what half of these posts the past two pages are even saying.
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