EPTI dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though.
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I dislike that BTDT tried to give Kelsier such an easy townread and then made a case on Boston though. Could be scum who's trying to take the lynch off Kelsier cause I really don't see what makes him so townie. But it's just an unfounded theory for now. Makes it even more tempting to lynch Kelsier though. | ||
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On January 08 2017 05:26 SilverWolf77 wrote: @Vivax-Why is Grackaroni town? I don't see anything, since he's come back to the thread to make me think he's trying to move the game forward. If anything, he's continuing to pick fights with ika and complaining about it. Reading his filter, I don't see anything that makes me want to give him a townread. No strong pushes, no strong reads, constant arguing with one of his townreads. What am I missing? It's very subjective but he's the only one who stood up for me when he didn't have any reason to if he were mafia. And I can totally understand his frustration when dealing with you and ika cause I've been through that too. | ||
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On January 08 2017 05:29 beentheredonethat wrote: That post is really bad. Like, not only is it putting shade on me for shit reasons (I even said that I doubt that townread before, "I should maybe stop meta people I didn't play with"), but there's also this: Like, it's an "unfounded theory" but it's enough for you to put your vote on Kelsier, making the wagons 3-3-3. Hm. I can't really grab it right here but something feels really off about this. So constructed and made up. Vivax, what are your reasons to lynch Kelsier, Boston and ME? Well the main reason I posted that about you is that it's a thought that crossed my mind. That you feel that it puts shade on you is the consequence not the intention. But when you're mafia and your buddy is in danger all you can do is try to take heat off him and push another lynch. And if Kelsier is mafia that's what you could have been doing. As for my reasons to lynch these people, I think I already mentioned them all. For kelsier you can add on top of my initial reason that he's not playing at all. | ||
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On January 08 2017 05:31 Calix wrote: Is white-knighting not a possibility to you? Why? As someone who has played with ika/ SW before, I think that's a typical emotion to feel  As mafia you want to white knight people who are influential or very unlikely to be lynched, so you will mostly attack townies who wrongly attack that sort of people. I don't really believe that I appeared to be that sort of person in the situation. White knighting people who instead are easy lynches is not what you want to do as mafia cause you are happy about any mislynch you can get over one of your teammates, so there's not really a point. It's still possible then but would be a misplay by the mafia. | ||
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On January 08 2017 05:36 reps)squishy wrote: My scum leans are B0, Grack, and Vivax. B0- No objective posts. Grack- Deliberate intent to derail conversations which could lead to town reads. Believes we should only argue who is mafia and values not finding town reads. Vivax- Veteran player which defends people when a person should defend themselves. Reps can you explain how I defend people when I post reads on them or the people pushing them? It's like you only took what ika and silver have been claiming at face value ignoring the entire discussion that revolved around it. You can also explain what's inherently scummy in defending people. That doesn't exactly seem like something only mafia would do, besides that it didn't even happen. | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:06 Grackaroni wrote: There's no one left here. I am the Doctor This claim is very easily counter claimable and well worth it if I am scum. If there is no counter claim then for all intents and purposes I should be confirmed. Swika town reads all of the people that agree with them and scum reads those that do not. At the rate we are going we will mow through the town. Yeh they are some sort of dictator couple lol | ||
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I don't think that even if it's a fake CC it necessarily means that btdt is scum. His play this game doesn't make sense to me anyway as I saw him being analytical as town. To me it just looks like he's tilting. He overlooks things I posted and in my opinion focuses on all the wrong people. | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:21 darthfoley wrote: I don't see the scum motivation for Grack to fake claim because the votes were tied at like 3 But I don't see the scum motivation for BTDT to cc as scum But one has to be scum No there are plenty of instances where VTs claim some PR for whatever reason | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:23 reps)squishy wrote: Specifically right here: When you are defending people here. Suspecting someone doesn't mean I'm defending his scumreads, which you are assuming I do. On January 08 2017 06:07 Vivax wrote:Reps can you explain how I defend people when I post reads on them or the people pushing them? It's like you only took what ika and silver have been claiming at face value ignoring the entire discussion that revolved around it. You can also explain what's inherently scummy in defending people. That doesn't exactly seem like something only mafia would do, besides that it didn't even happen. Towns goal is to identify scum is often through reads and questioning. I feel if someone is being read as scum should defend themselves. There was nothing at stake such as a mislynch. Let people have arguments and rebuttals, that is how information is revealed. [/QUOTE] So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game? | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote: So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game? Squishyyyyyyyy | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:31 Calix wrote: I think ika/ SW and myself are having the same culture shock tbh. Fake ccs are extremely rare on our site. I would trust BTDT to do such a thing cause he's 1) In two games, 2) His play is pretty f*ing weird this game and I don't know if he's a tilting town or rolled scum and sees no hope of winning or something. I'm just ignoring the claims cause Grack imo is simply town, claim or not, and mafia will sort it out for us at night cause they'd be stupid not to kill a doctor. As with most discussion around claims for lynching, it's mostly useless. I prefer sticking to the old plan and lynching Kelsier for his initial comment on the game and not being around as someone who is capable of caring as town. | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:33 ika42 wrote: Becasue the face vaule of both are town who are either VT/VT or Doc/VT is so bad that i would be more willing to accept it if it was 2 newbies doing it. Both players are considered veterans so if they are doing what you think is happening (town/town) i question their skills as players becasue the single idea of doing so is so anti-town and so time wasting and annoying and pissoffy that i would bar them from playing any games of mine and most likely policy lynch them in any game i play with them. Its not a protown move and is litarly greifing at best. now im droping this subject untill one flips/post game becasue its going to get into the line of this and im not going there. so if you would be kind to drop it for now we can save it for post game now i got stuff to do and im not going to be here for EOD I think you are overrating the veteran thingy. Calix has played not even a year here and is considered veteran. What I want to say is that veteran in this game only means that someone has played mroe than three newbie games, not necessarily that he's a mafia professional. | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:38 Calix wrote: No. One of them has to die because they'll cause too much disruption re: WIFOM. Scum has RBer so they'll just claim that's why they were left alive and time will be wasted on discussing whether they're town or scum fake-claiming and blah blah blah. I'd rather clear shit up right now. Yes and spend the next two days on autopilot, and worst case they both flip town and town accomplished nothing besides mislynching the doctor while mafia can focus on picking off targets for their play and not their role. In all bluntess: Your plan sucks | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:40 reps)squishy wrote: Like I said let people argue. It is the only way for information to unravel. If someone wants to lynch them, then you can make a counter argument. Stopping a simple argument is suspicious in my eyes. You are dodging the main issue: 1) I can call someone scum for a read he makes. That doesn't stop his discussion with anyone else. 2) Calling his read on Ika forced doesn't equival defending Ika. If I told him "Your read on Ika is wrong, he's town" I'd be defending Ika. | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:47 Onegu wrote: Then we can all welcome you to team liquid. The site were we dont lynch red checks from a confirmed cop in lylo. You're a real sunshine you know that | ||
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On January 08 2017 06:55 reps)squishy wrote: I have found Grack suspicious in the past. Now he claims doctor. Then BTDT claims doctor as well. I do not think both of them are town. I do not like the disorder Grack has created in past. I believe it was a scummy move to create confusion and prevent progress. I have to go work in a few minutes so I am firmly going to vote for Grack. ##Unvote ##Vote Grackaroni You sound like some bloated up politician just to jump on the most common pile. That makes this post pretty scummy. | ||
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