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Holyflare
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He put in the work to compare exo's games etc, I dunno he had a totally shit start though. | ||
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disformation
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so if you are scum: perfect day to ML me. super curious to see rels case though | ||
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On December 22 2016 20:50 Holyflare wrote: But I also think disfo might be town :D He put in the work to compare exo's games etc, I dunno he had a totally shit start though. Yo were is your head at currently btw? I felt you were fairly towny D1 for interrogating me and around EoD, but since N1 you feel fairly subdued/absent. | ||
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Holyflare
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I was thinking about the sl thing tbh. Kmatt posted in his wall of text that sl is scummy and should be lynched if exo flips town but hasn't said a peep about sl or anything. Find it a bit odd. But I guess he hasn't been here at all either sooooo. | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:02 Holyflare wrote: Yeh I see no point putting in any work when you scum read someone and they just decide to afk for the cycle. That's not fun. I was thinking about the sl thing tbh. Kmatt posted in his wall of text that sl is scummy and should be lynched if exo flips town but hasn't said a peep about sl or anything. Find it a bit odd. But I guess he hasn't been here at all either sooooo. Good catch on that. Really want to see what Kmatt posts if/when he comes back. | ||
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Rels
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There are tons of example, here is some of the obvious ones. OK I'm actually reworking this to be an actual proof of what I'm saying with every contentful post past early game analysed. With few exceptions, every post that disfo made is echoing something that someone else made before him. Keep it mind that the problem is not that he's sharing another player's point of view. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL HIS CONTENTFUL POSTS ARE MADE ON THE EXACT SUBJECT OF ANOTHER POST HE JUST READ. That might not be obvious from the timestamps, but if you're reading the thread and disfo's filter at the same time, the disfo post in those spoilers in his filter is just after the original post. Bad feeling about Rels (original idea from Koshi and Slam) + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote: Rels is too unsure in the wrong places. Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot. Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote. (I did this at 2AM but whatever.) On December 20 2016 19:06 Koshi wrote: Ty slam. This is really good. Ty. On December 20 2016 20:43 disformation wrote: Now I need to make up my mind on Rels. Like I can kinda agree that "something feels off". But imo more in the part about me. Or him being waffly in general. But I still like a bunch of his posts. Which makes me not want to lynch him. Also + points for getting some stuff about me roght before horribly backtracking. Rels is pretty good though. So the whole thing is not outside of his scum range. If SL and ExO_ would not be in the game, that would be a really hard one. I think as of right now I would lynch Rels over Slam? Still think today should be one of ExO_ or SL. ExO is scum 'cause he's not acting like last game (original idea from Rels) + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2016 09:19 Rels wrote: I'm caught up. disfo might be scum maybe, I didn't like his posts on SL and Slam these last few pages. But if the lynch was right now I would 1000% lynch exo. He's fighting very differently from the last game I played with him; in that one he OMGUSd every player that pushed him. Here he stated a reason for suspecting Koshi and Kmatt and repeated it over and over. Actually it makes up for like half of his filter: On December 20 2016 21:18 disformation wrote: So. There was a recent game where exo was lynched D1 as VT. Link to his filter First post he claims VT. Gets voted by Calix for that. Immediately OMGUSES Calix. Then he starts to actually play the game. As the time for the lynch approaches: + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote: I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this: I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things. I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town. The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today: Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1. Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure. Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote: TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads. I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this Conclusion: There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game. Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked. But as I said again and again: he has absolutely 0 reads this game. Look at his filter. Look at the two posts I quoted. See the difference? Imo ExO_ was actually a pretty easy town read in the game I linked. He had a wonky start, but after that he started actually playing and made good posts. This game we only have a huge appeal to emotion. ##vote ExO_ In fact he actually said later it was my post that gave him the idea to do that: On December 20 2016 22:51 disformation wrote: No I had to reread the game? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Had to look for the game. Took me like 10 mins to find it. Yes. Yes. Yes. Slam is scummy (original idea from SL) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 00:10 sicklucker wrote: I dont think ill lynch anyone but exo or slam today On December 21 2016 00:13 sicklucker wrote: This is a very bad path to go. I agree with exo and slam being the most likely. but the chance of them being the two scum out of 9 combiniations of people. And like I said me and rels are town. if you follow this you lose town the game because koshi and hf are crafty scum On December 21 2016 00:15 disformation wrote: fun facts about slam: doesnt mention exo even once. throws a bit of shade in a throwaway post early on SL. jumps on rels and then me. not saying anything. just in case exo flips red (which is likely imo). Kmatt and ExO could be partner ? (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote: Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? On December 21 2016 00:34 disformation wrote: There was def. something off in that exchange. It is like a reaction bait into a reaction bait into ExO_ being super pissed. And it def. doesnt read super natural. So I am thinking there is probably a scummer in there. Since ExO_ didnt come back to play, but only to fish for feels I am assuming the one scummer is him. For both to be scum I think they have to be cool with Kmatt getting enough cred off that to carry? Or they went to far and dont have the motivation to salvage it? Like Kmatt didnt have a huge thread presence in his other game either, so I dont think him going carry is like a plan. Unless they are like sicklucker and just wanted to do it. Like exo points out a mehish point on Kmatt for disassociation, Kmatt goes right back at him and either ExO_ gets pissed by that, or he tries to fake the game I linked? I guess it is not impossible, but it sounds fairly far fetched for me. On December 21 2016 00:40 disformation wrote: And kmatt is even somewhat deflecting off ppl trying to talk about other lynches: Which would mean he is bussing pretty hard and not even looking to trying to deflect. Slam is scummy 2 (original idea from Koshi and LS) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 06:56 Koshi wrote: Maybe we lynch the Slamfish? On December 21 2016 06:57 LightningStrike wrote: I forgot he was even in this game lmao. Will check his filter. On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote: Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ On December 21 2016 06:59 disformation wrote: and had a bad post on SL. but some decent once on rels then he votes me and gtfos i think thats his entire filter Kmatt is scummy (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 08:26 Holyflare wrote: I think we should lynch kmatt, that re-entry to the thread and saying nothing annoys me On December 21 2016 09:17 disformation wrote: also starting to get tired. like i went through kmatts filter and the only thing that you could say is that his filter feels to linear. as in: he "pokes lowhanging fruit" (he even calls exo that). exo explodes and just keeps his vote on him. not much of scumhunting or reads until his list post. thing is. this progression makes a lot of sense for town too given how exo played and his list post is legit good imo. wait didnt someone call it bad for some reason? On December 21 2016 09:28 disformation wrote: Dunno doesnt really feel like a "case" on him. Still think there is at least 1 scum in kmatt/exo_ not 100% sure we are on the right side, but I still think exo is more likely. margin a bit smaller now though. do we even have enough ppl to make kmatt a thing? dont think so :/ On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote: that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote: that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD You don't say Kmatt / Rels are scummy (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 17:32 Koshi wrote: Ok so mafia just thought it was better to lynch ExO over Slam. For me mafia team is Rels/Kmatt atm. Disformation might be town. Sicklucker is confirmed really bad at the game. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote: 6.Rels 8. Kmatt 5.sicklucker 9.disformation 7.Holyflare 1.Alakaslam 4.LightningStrike On December 21 2016 21:24 disformation wrote: I think its kmatt +1. partially because I think that the exo vs kmatt thing was not tvt. another thing is how he approached the exo wagon the whole day and then made quite a few strange posts right before eod after being "Nah exo didnt post anything that changed my mind". something is def. wrong surrounding rels. like the sl mindmeld on him, with rels tring sl super hard. the whole approach on me. he was also pretty waffly on exo at the start right? will be back later to look at some filters in more detail. tbh I am super looking forward to see, who the suspects are going to want to lynch themselves.  Slam looks better (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote: 6.Rels 8. Kmatt 5.sicklucker 9.disformation 7.Holyflare 1.Alakaslam 4.LightningStrike On December 21 2016 19:18 Rels wrote: Slam is pretty townie in this interaction with HF post flip On December 21 2016 21:26 disformation wrote: especially after slam looks a lot better now. Reread of LS and Slam after LS / Slam have been talked about (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote: I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. On December 22 2016 00:49 disformation wrote: good point. Overall I think LS is town, but I wish he had more reads in his filter. Like start of his filter is a bit of interaction/questioning early D1 without conclusions. Though I think that the questions into nothing and him generally not having a lot of formulated reads fit his town meta. Though I agree that he should be low on the priority list. Would like to see more stuff from him though. On December 22 2016 01:06 disformation wrote: So looking at filters for votes and stuff. part 1. LS (see my last post): looks more town than scum. not impossible to be scum. like if his partner is on exo and slam is town, he could have been trying to come up with a decent reason to not be on the same wagon. but I dont think his behaviour/tone match up with that. Slam starts pushing and voting Rels over Rels having a strange/wrong read on me. Rels rectifies his read on me and points out a pretty scummy post by me. Slam votes me and just returns b4 the deadline. still would liked for him to say something about why he was voting me, but in context it makes sense. An analysis on LS and Slam. LS he just talked about it with Koshi. Slam see the previous spoiler where he says Slam is looking better after Koshi and I said it, Kmatt is scummy 2 (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2016 01:37 disformation wrote: btw that was also a pretty good post. guess what kmatts answer was? On December 22 2016 01:40 disformation wrote: ah nope he actually answered it. Though it is super ahrd to discern. answer was this: but yeah I guess I have to take a break. getting confused with that many tabs open. also sl filter not that fun to read. Better check Rels' treatment of Kmatt (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote: If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing. I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. On December 22 2016 04:30 disformation wrote: He mentions kmatt very early in the post sicklucker mindmelds him for. Asks a few questions of Kmatt. Later: After Kmatts wall: Asks Kmatt a few questions at EoD about ExO_ etc. I think I told Rels that Kmatt was actually pretty good in the last scum game. Not sure if Rels reacted to that. Dont think so. Oh wait he even links it himself: but no comment on contents of that game, from what i have seen. Well I could go on and on. ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY OLD CONCLUSION I DID GO ON AND ON LOL. I SEE THIS PATTERN EVERYWHERE DISFO HAS NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT DISFO DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO AND ONLY DOES THINGS AFTER SOMEONE ELSE DID IT OR MENTIONNED IT DISFO READS ARE 100% THE AGGLOMERATE OF THE THREAD READS, ESPECIALLY THE THREAD LEADER, AT ALL POINTS EXCEPTIONS: Posts with actual content that I didn't find a match for: On December 21 2016 04:52 disformation wrote: First post is from this game. Second post from the recent NSM where he was town and got ML D1. Last post is from Dota 2 where he was scum. Mind you in that game he died of dmg and was not under universal pressure like here or the NSM. I kinda felt like I was starting to see thing cause I thought for a second that he copied parts of the NSM one into this game. Which proved to be wrong. But another funny thing is: In NSM ppl started scumreading him we he opened with claiming VT. Why does he claim vt here now? That would only make sense if he was trying to invoke feelings from last game. Like "Oh I was claiming VT as town last game and that got me ML D1, lets try to do it here again?" Think it makes more sense for him to do that as scum. And in either case: where are his reads? I feel like timewise he should/would have come back by now and tell us who to lynch. And super ultra nitpick mode: all 3 posts have a variation of "idk what else to do". But the the one in his town game is more like "i tried, but" while in his scum game and this game it is more like "I suck, but". and yeah im somewhat bored. =p It's kinda a copy of his post where he voted ExO, that was after mine, but it is waaaay later so it's a different pattern than every one of his other posts. Every other post I quoted, he talked about something that he just read. This one, nobody was talking about how exo was scummy anymore. So it's different. On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote: ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Alakaslam (2): disformation (1): Holyflare (1): ExO_ Kmatt (0): sicklucker (0): Rels (0): Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. On December 21 2016 11:12 disformation wrote: okay general thoughts: at least 1 scum on exo. i know im town. i think hf is town (let me look at his filter tomorrow). so at least one in: kmatt, sl, rels. if its two its not rels and sl. dont think they would hard tr each other over that mindmeld stuff. out of the three remaining players slam obv sticks out the most. and he apparently thought the deadline was later, so he didnt have time to "fix" that. one of ls and koshi might have the tmi factor going, but need to reread. but yeah tomorrow is filter time He was the first to do a colored votecounts. I do this in every one of my scumgames 'cause it's free town cred for 0 risk. TBF I also do this in the majority of my towngames. But the analysis is weak and doubtful. Pretty useless TBF. | ||
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Koshi
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On December 22 2016 21:02 Holyflare wrote: Yeh I see no point putting in any work when you scum read someone and they just decide to afk for the cycle. That's not fun. I was thinking about the sl thing tbh. Kmatt posted in his wall of text that sl is scummy and should be lynched if exo flips town but hasn't said a peep about sl or anything. Find it a bit odd. But I guess he hasn't been here at all either sooooo. Your certainty + lack of finding other mafia is disturbing. Maybe you are mafia after all. | ||
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Rels
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##Vote disformation | ||
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Koshi
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Really well executed as well. Just copy literally every good idea and you do as much as all other people combined. | ||
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Sure why not. | ||
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disformation
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did you take a look at my town games? | ||
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Rels
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On December 22 2016 21:14 disformation wrote: so rels. youve read a scum game of mine earlier. did you take a look at my town games? Link me a counterexample and we'll see | ||
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At least he put a ton of work into this. | ||
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if the 2 scums are in Rels, SL and Kmatt (which is still likely). I am one of the few remaining options for them to get a ML. As SL and Rels basically cant realistically SR each other. Which I why I yesterday said: "I am looking forward to see who the suspects are going to scumread." have a hard time figuring out if rels is the scum or just scum siding atm. | ||
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