EPTAlso think grack is a bit of a joker, so I can see him post that as either alignment and treat is as NAI.
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Also think grack is a bit of a joker, so I can see him post that as either alignment and treat is as NAI. | ||
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On December 29 2016 23:12 beentheredonethat wrote: Okay. Get out of the thread. Return later when you calmed down. Because if you don't, you're helping scum. Stop one-lining. Instead, take a step back. Also, I apologize for upsetting you. It was not my intention to so and I was (and partially am) pissed about the way you approached the game because if you're town, it's helping scum and if you're scum, you're frustrating af to play against. Is fine. I def. didnt play very good. Lemme do my vca stuff, I'm actually good, or at least decent, at that. Will reread you later or something. | ||
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On December 30 2016 01:03 Tictock wrote: This is not all that different than what my take-away from rereading Gracks EoD was. I feel like a Scum!Grack would be all too happy to go back to Koshi given the investment he made in pushing him earlier in the day. Having cold feet about Koshi when he did seems more like a paranoid townie to me than mafia making their own position look shit. @ BtDt I think it is shit that you got super uppity and aggressive about us pushing you for clearly making no attempt to play the game. Then after the flip you've been in everyone's face placing blame. Have you even fully read the game at this point? Like there is just this huge disconnect between your opening post and everything after that, and it all just SCREAMS playing for survival to me. actually decent point on grack. still worried about the two lines I pointed out though. | ||
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On December 29 2016 06:39 Time Traveler wrote: I filtered LS and I liked it at the beggining. He seemed to be consistent with his reads and such, but I do not like how he, after scumreading Koshi, decides to vote Grack after he Koshi makes a post about why people should lynch Grack. Then he says that it is because Grack is more likely to be Mafia than Koshi, and this is because he defended Koshi. Huuuh. Sounds strange that the person who defends his scum read gets scum read as well. On December 29 2016 07:40 Time Traveler wrote: Well, then I can say that I voted BtDt because #yolo. On December 29 2016 08:00 Time Traveler wrote: If that's right, I wouldn't mind unvoting him. On December 29 2016 08:26 Time Traveler wrote: Yeah, I'm unvoting BtDt. I kinda random voted him because it was mandatory and I didn't have anyone clear in mind. And I still do not who to vote. Hum. On December 29 2016 08:44 Time Traveler wrote: Also, I voted Superbia because I don't expect him to be voted by anyone else. So you can consider that a null vote. On December 29 2016 08:47 Time Traveler wrote: Maybe you want to not use something in order to not cause harm and you don't know how to use it correctly, than incorrectly use it. I hope that made sense. And no one is voting him, so I guess he won't be killed. @Time Traveller: why didnt you vote LS when that wagon came up? You implied being not too happy with his filter earlier. Yet I see no mention of LS in your filter when he was up for vote. Don't know what to say about this. Feel like I am not really in a good position to complain about him avoiding any stances at EoD. Really needs to put out some decent reads, soon. | ||
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First thing: he is voting his #1 scumread together with his #2 scumread. Even sheeping his #2 scumreads read. But he states: On December 29 2016 07:30 LightningStrike wrote: I home for just for a few minutes will answer some questions then I will have to answer on mobile: Becuase something in the tone between them plus how they interacted with each other don't seem like TvT but more like TvS. No we lynching Grack Time Traveler and dis look better than him in my opinion. This post from btdt is pretty bad and idk why he voting Tictock atm. It is TvS. Him thinking Grack is the scum, should kinda imply Koshi is town, or at least be way less likely to be town. So I can kinda see him do that vote. Thing that annoys me is that he goes afk like 45mins b4 the deadline and therefore we have no in time comment on the koshi wagon. He comes back way later with an excuse... that sounds pretty deja vu like to my last game where he was scum. He also vanishes kinda at a time, where ppl were discussing a LS lynch, but i didnt look like it would gain much traction? Last post is: On December 29 2016 08:13 LightningStrike wrote: Easy town credit especially that early. At that time he had 1 vote on him. btdt comes in 8mins later. so yeah I dont like him vanishing without warning 45mins b4 deadline and then coming back with IRL excuses. He did the exact same as scum last game. | ||
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On December 30 2016 02:37 darthfoley wrote: Well you were hard defending him against my wagon near EoD, so what is your overall conclusion read of him right now? LS is a pretty hard read at the moment. The koshi <> grack thing is not impossible for town to make with the TvS logic. But under that logic this: On December 30 2016 02:33 darthfoley wrote: [...] So in that post you say you're okay with Koshi being the lynch after you sheep him the whole day? You're okay with him being the lynch over someone you thought was pretty scummy? Also you said that you would have a bunch of info regardless of Koshi's flip. Let's hear it looks really bad. like if you think it is TvS and you are pretty sure it is the one you want lynched (GracK) and even vote together with the other suspect you shouldnt be so chill over the other one getting lynched? that being said i think think ls was actually there when the koshi thing went full force. in hindsight to my earlier post he also was phone posting (or claiming) to. so it would make some sense for him to being gone do rl stuff... but I really wish he could just say so. too easy to be lurking as scum. so if you look at it from both sides it is not impossible for him to be town. might be he didnt explain his stuff properly. but I think stuff is starting to slide into the scum side of things overall. so i am going with a scum lean. | ||
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I think I'll ignore the confirm/forget whatever thing. That might be true. It might not be true. It might be true and hes still scum. Whatever. Lets see what he actually posted. First "real" post: On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point. Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so. There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly. More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike. Well town wasnt that confident in lynching into afk. Other two points not horrible. Might be flailing to get some names out there though. Waffly waffle post on the wafflemaster: On December 29 2016 08:24 beentheredonethat wrote: I'm right now randomly diving filters. Disformation's filter looks genuinely town but he's being wishy washy. On the other hand, that's disformation pretty much for me so that's not necessarily alignment indicative. Thing about disfo is that from what I can see, he only comments on stuff. "I like that", "I don't like that" and so on and he's not taking any actions on his own, being lazy. Seems to be willing to go after Grackaroni but rather discusses about me? Hmm Here I am like: My D1 was pretty bad. If he was scum looking for an easy out I think it would have been easy to put out something stronger against me. Esp. since some ppl werent happy with me (but not sure if he knew that). Then he goes to look at traveler: On December 29 2016 08:28 beentheredonethat wrote: You voted me without explanation. "Random" as you say. That means you didn't have a real clue who to vote on. Then, you unvote as soon as I drop one post and say "uhhh I still dunno". That's not townie On December 29 2016 08:29 beentheredonethat wrote: Time Traveler having two pages of filter, voting me (low hanging af) then unvoting again feels scummy as fuck #gutFeelings On December 29 2016 08:30 beentheredonethat wrote: oh he's new (to the site?) tho from what his filter says On December 29 2016 08:30 beentheredonethat wrote: But you said you do not know who to lynch. What are the better options then if it's not me? On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote: That's actually a good idea and I like that. I wondered why you pushed me especially since it felt like you're doing it only because I voted you. I would lynch Traveler over disfo but I'm with ExO in terms of "he's new". Also I haven't read the game so I probably should just sheep someone and stfu :/ but not that's boring. Wanting traveler over me makes sense, though i am not 100% sure I like him liking to lynch someone he is very waffly about. Then decides to go on Koshi (also votes here): On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote: 1-page-Koshi feels bad and I think he's a very good lynch. On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote: Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum. On December 29 2016 08:48 beentheredonethat wrote: No. 1. I don't want to lynch you as I have voted Koshi over you 2. I think you're new and that is why you're not really pushing anyone 3. I am really interested in your scum reads as one one hand, you said you don't know who to lynch, on the other hand you said something like "there are way better lynches than ExO_" Then he gets confused by my shitty EoD play and int ends in: On December 29 2016 08:54 beentheredonethat wrote: Don't lynch LS over Koshi, really. That's nuts. Also whatever disfo's doing there it's plain bullshit ##vote Koshi Id like to know why he doesnt want LS lynched. On December 29 2016 08:58 beentheredonethat wrote: So Grackaroni is lying about his motivations. So I actually like his posts on time and the grack one at the end. imo he should have gotten more worried from the grack thing at the end, but it was like 2mins to deadline, so no room to do anything anyway. Not sure where that confidence on Koshi came from, I think that comes from the "meta" observation in his first post. He also was on koshi fairly early. Dunno for some reason I am getting a town vibe here. I'd like him to explain why he was really against a LS lynch at the time. Don't think this is particularly scummy. Looks more like wrong town. | ||
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On December 30 2016 03:41 GlowingBear wrote: I won't consider killing disformation anymore due to sole effort he is putting in the game. I haven't read EOD yet, I'd love to understand why people switched to Koshi I am going to inform you that I can do this as scum, too. Though there is a difference of Quality between my scum VCA and town VCA imo | ||
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comes in with a case on DF On December 29 2016 06:12 Superbia wrote: Specifically: 1a. Reads me mafia based on OP+activity (afaicr) 1b. Unwilling to push anything on me when we're both around. 1c. This is strengthened by his immediate response when I get smitten. 2 Lumps me together with disfo as becomin"sick on lynch day". I became OG sick near game start. This showcases that he is not familiar with my (admittedly) limited gameplay. Also I don't think his read progression on disfo has progressed but I may be wrong. Did he interact with disfo in between his list post and voting me? 3. My actual activity is not taken into account at all in the vote or read even though I have done some AI things On December 29 2016 06:17 Superbia wrote: Read my excellent post while I do a bit more reading On December 29 2016 06:24 Superbia wrote: Btdt has literally posted nothing yet lolol On December 29 2016 06:27 Superbia wrote: Darths entire lynchlist is pretty much policy based On December 29 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote: I'm going to sleep in like 5m. I think dfis mafia. I think at least one of the policy lynches is mafia: slam/btdt/tt2/chez (?). Not sure about a 3rd. I think that if df is mafia grack could very well be a partner, but I dont have an individual read on grack a bit more afterwards: On December 29 2016 06:35 Superbia wrote: I had a TT scumread? If so it was either a mistake or it vaporized. I think Tt is townlean for tone mostly On December 29 2016 06:43 Superbia wrote: Ok my patience is wearing thin and I really want to sleep. Sheep my case on darth or at least don't lynch a policy lynch. Pls make it 2 wagons as well On December 29 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote: Disfo is prob also not a good lynch indeed. Idk if i put that out there yet Comes in with an original case. Tries for ppl to get it/pushes it. Throws out a few other reads/obvervations. gtfos. Still dont 100% get his case, but it had some decent observations in it, so I dont think it is a fabrication. Also don't think scum needs to even pull out a case of thin air here, since the thread is super chaotic anyways. Plus the way he pushes his case is also pretty town. So yeah, overall i think he is pretty town for that. Its not impossible to do this as scum, but I think it way more likely he is just town atm. | ||
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i think i have 4 ppl left. gb, tt1, df and exo ill go with exo and df next, but need a small break | ||
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On December 30 2016 04:40 Tictock wrote: Actually rereading some of these posts I'm not sure how BtDt managed to put some of this stuff together in the short time he was in the game. Like I was around at the same time trying to look at stuff and was much less sure of any of my scum reads at the time. BtDt apparently had no problem skimming a few filters and coming to some hard conclusions in a very short span of time. I think I would shoot BtDt over anyone if I could tonight. Maybe Slam as he still isn't quite playing the game ATM. I guess there isn't a whole lot different between Slam and Chez, but Chez at least seems to have gotten invested in his role so we might be able to read him based on his actions. Well. Think he skimmed like koshi, tt2 and me? Koshi and TT2 didnt have very long filters. On December 30 2016 04:44 Tictock wrote: Given what I know about Chez it's a toss up between Recruiter/Survivor/Traitor. Maybe one of his seeds will grow and blossom into the truth. yup. I am also in Chez's game. =D | ||
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GB did sheep the main wagon at the very end? On December 29 2016 08:58 GlowingBear wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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game pauses after EoN? In that case I'll prewrite whatever is left over and post when games resumes. unless i dieded ofc | ||
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Explains his reads and starts on the Slammer: On December 29 2016 01:02 ExO_ wrote: I feel like there are a lot of people to seriously consider, but we have 8 hours left and the votes are all over the place. I think I'd prefer chez/slam if we're just gonna lynch a trolly person. I could see grack being scum, but I could also see Koshi very easily being scum here. His post looks good, but look at how he's playing this game. He's not posting with fire or over the top bravado. He's saying good shit, but he's not playing with that huge umpf that he plays with as town. He's antagonizing nobody. This still doesn't look like town Koshi to me, it reminds me so much of dota 2 mafia. Still I don't wanna get tunneled all in on this theory 100% yet. I think we should come together as town and get rid of either slam or chezinu for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Alakaslam + on koshi: On December 29 2016 03:19 ExO_ wrote: What a wonderful non-post. I'd be okay with Koshi lynch after this. so for me: Slam/Chez/Koshi are who I think we should lynch - on grack: On December 29 2016 03:23 ExO_ wrote: Because I'm not convinced enough that he's scum yet. The biggest thing I found scummy about him was his buddying with TT, and his post count that doesn't really scum hunt or drive town forward in any way. But I don't think I'm okay lynching him today when he's at least talking a decent amount. The fact that Koshi wants to lynch him also makes me think me want to hold off on a grack lynch. 1 day pass on tt2: On December 29 2016 04:06 ExO_ wrote: Time trav, you get a pass from me today, I know what its like to be new and exposed to day 1 and not really able to take it all in. That said it ONLY applies for day 1. You're going to have to step it up after today on btdt: on LS/koshi: On December 29 2016 08:22 ExO_ wrote: I don't think I'm okay with an L.S. lynch. I have my doubts about him. I think I like Koshi. Again everything I said about Koshi still stands. Town Koshi is in your face and loud and proud, and here he's kinda just "meh'. His post count is really low too. I'm not 100% sure, but I think I'd prefer Koshi to btdt at this point. I feel like its riskier to go with Koshi over chez/slam/btdt/insert other inac here but he just feels like scummy to me. Would like a bit more explanation on LS though. On December 29 2016 08:34 ExO_ wrote: Grack should 100% not be the lynch right now. He has 8 pages of filter. Even if a good portion of it is garbage, I cannot say anything has sold me he's so scummy that he should be lynched day 1. Koshi has 1 page of filter, is completely out of the thread, and had a weak case on grack. Then peaced out. That's it. I think he's our best bet here On December 29 2016 08:38 ExO_ wrote: Koshi is a well-known player on TL mafia. He can be very antagonistic but he can also be right. My thinking is this: Koshi has 1 page of filter. That's incredibly low activity, esp for Koshi. Koshi makes a bad case on grack and doesn't really try past that. His posts aren't getting in anybody's face (which is my impression of his town meta) but instead he's acting disinterested and not passionate (what I think his scum meta is like based on his scum play in dota 2 mafia). Therefore I think he's our best bet right now. I'm not as sold on LS at the moment I dont like that these boil down to activity. calls out the grack thing: On December 29 2016 08:52 ExO_ wrote: Grack you said your goal was to get Koshi lynched, but you've been parked on LS this entire time. Why was your "goal" to get Koshi lynched and why are you not voting for him now? On December 29 2016 08:59 ExO_ wrote: Grack you are suspicious as fuck right now Left out a bit of pocking left and right, which all felt like he seriously was trying to figure out the game. 2 very small things: why didnt he like a LS lynch. and i didnt super agree with the activity based read on Koshi/Grack. But I am fairly sure he is just town. His read progression on Koshi makes a lot of sense. And while I am not a huge fan of that grack read, he realizes grack looks really weird at EoD. Overall feels a lot like figuring out the game and not like he is agenda driven or playing for survival. | ||
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On December 30 2016 04:58 Grackaroni wrote: Yeah but he made his sheep post after I had made my post on LS. ah i understand now. | ||
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On December 30 2016 05:16 Chezinu wrote: Ok! I have chosen you since you couldn't enjoy the feast. What type of seed do you want? Oh most generous Chez! It appears I am currently far from the Capital on some plains. Which is why I am missing the feast. I would humbly request a seed of planting so the seed shall take root in these plains and spread far and wide! | ||
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On December 30 2016 05:29 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I can give you a seed that you my sow at someone. What would you like this seed to do? I think we are in such a state of disarray that neither a seed that sprouts in a healing flower nor a seed that sprouts into a poisonous one are a good choice. I'd love a seed that sprouts a flower blossoming in the true colours of the person at whose feet I sow it. If that is possible. =D | ||
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