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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 20:36 GMT
#1170
Or that. Just thought planting would be neat since I am at some plains apparently. :D
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 21:04 GMT
#1173
darth
starts on superbia:
On December 29 2016 05:21 darthfoley wrote:
Somehow everyone has forgotten that Superbia's filter is pretty ass. It's actually very ass.

He hones in on one sentence of mine and that Koshi posted a list post. That's literally all the analysis he's done. The rest is mechanics and banter fluff. This was before he supposedly got sick. (Mafia can get sick too!)

I don't know why anyone is town reading him.

##Vote: Superbia


On December 29 2016 07:26 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:
On December 29 2016 06:12 Superbia wrote:
Specifically:

1a. Reads me mafia based on OP+activity (afaicr)
1b. Unwilling to push anything on me when we're both around.
1c. This is strengthened by his immediate response when I get smitten.

2 Lumps me together with disfo as becomin"sick on lynch day". I became OG sick near game start. This showcases that he is not familiar with my (admittedly) limited gameplay. Also I don't think his read progression on disfo has progressed but I may be wrong. Did he interact with disfo in between his list post and voting me?

3. My actual activity is not taken into account at all in the vote or read even though I have done some AI things


Read this fucking post


1a. Yea,basically. Plus you've literally done nothing but push shit on me. The only thing that makes me a little less sure is that you're trying to get people to lynch me, when i've been almost universally townread so far. That's definitely not the easy way out, so perhaps i'm wrong on you.
1b. Unwilling to push anything on you when we're both around? Wtf is this point? I interacted with you when you pushed me, when you said something about Koshi that I found a scummy point. I've interacted with you more than most people in this thread. Just ctrl + F superbia in my filter.
1c. Not my fault you got yourself killed for surface level ez town points.

2. I don't know what this has to do with me being mafia? I'm on the fence on disformation and i'm rereading his filter currently.

3. What AI things have you done? Getting yourself briefly out of a bastard game by doing some bet with the hosts? Cool, man.

Your "actual activity" is definitely taken into account in all of these posts.

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 05:21 darthfoley wrote:
Somehow everyone has forgotten that Superbia's filter is pretty ass. It's actually very ass.

He hones in on one sentence of mine and that Koshi posted a list post. That's literally all the analysis he's done. The rest is mechanics and banter fluff. This was before he supposedly got sick. (Mafia can get sick too!)

I don't know why anyone is town reading him.

##Vote: Superbia



What am I missing from your filter?

willing to consolidate on btdt:
On December 29 2016 07:31 darthfoley wrote:
Now that i've dispatched of Superbia's bad case against me,

I agree with Ticktock that BTDT's post is utter garbage; I'd be willing to consolidate on someone who opted out of D1 after confirming two days ago

grack/koshi/ls:
On December 29 2016 07:33 darthfoley wrote:
I actually like Grack more than I like Koshi right now

On December 29 2016 07:40 darthfoley wrote:
I still find LS's Koshi v Grack analysis very very troubling and i'm nervous about it

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On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.


this post man??? Grack did a better job of pointing out the inconsistencies it assumes, but c'mon like what

On December 29 2016 07:47 darthfoley wrote:
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On December 29 2016 07:46 Tictock wrote:
On December 29 2016 07:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like that first he was calling me scum for being Koshi's scum partner and now he's saying that I'm scum because my Koshi fight seems like it's between town and scum. Those are opposite reasons but I always seem to end up the lynch over Koshi.


Yea he never said you were Scum with Koshi. No idea where you got that, I just ignored that you thought that till now.

Seemed more like he was swayed by Koshi's case after being sus on you kus of your defense of Koshi early on.

I do agree LS is pretty suspect though, and I only see people Town reading him kus of meta.


which annoys me

On December 29 2016 07:51 darthfoley wrote:
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On December 29 2016 07:48 disformation wrote:
On December 29 2016 07:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 29 2016 07:46 disformation wrote:
I think there was this thing where i was trying to say that i think that LS case on you is more likely to come from town ls and you though I was agreeing with his case.

I like the credit and all but it was Koshi's case with a add on from me.

still felt different from what you have done last game.


I feel like it would be much EASIER to change your scum play after just being caught as mafia; you're hyper aware of your tells, etc. I don't know why this is your defense of him.

I know it's WIFOMy and kinda damned if you do/don't, but why would LS ever attempt another baby rage after getting shot down so easily like yesterday. Of course his scum play would look different right after, ESPECIALLY on D1 when it's easy to blend into 13 people.

On December 29 2016 07:59 darthfoley wrote:
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On December 29 2016 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:
I think I have to assume at this point that a Koshi lynch isn't happening, which makes me very dissappoint. But meh.


I actually quite like your case on Koshi. I'm just conflicted on whether he should be a d1 lynch

unvotes cause nobody is on super:
On December 29 2016 08:10 darthfoley wrote:
Okay since everyone has just ignored Superbia's terrible case on me and is not willing to vote on him,

I'm basically between btdt/LS/other inactive people

##unvote

hates my defense of LS:
On December 29 2016 08:15 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 08:12 disformation wrote:
have you read LS filter like at all?


Pray tell me where I am mistaken, for I just finished reading through is filter, and it's a whole lot of meh

On December 29 2016 08:17 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 08:15 disformation wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:14 disformation wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:12 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:12 disformation wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:08 darthfoley wrote:
On December 28 2016 06:23 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 28 2016 04:46 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't understand how Koshi is town reading LS. He came back recently and he was still focused entirely on Koshi's first post.

He's probably the most likely mafia at this point.

You be suprised how hard I can tunnel as town.



Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.

You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.

I do not like this post.

I do.

should have specified: I dont mind the first sentence. I really do not like the second.

I should go to bed.
specifically i dislike the "Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward." because i feel it is not true at all



Yea okay you've now used three posts to tell us you don't like it. Why is it not true? Who/what has he pushed that have been original points?

On December 29 2016 08:21 darthfoley wrote:
I just reread all of LS filter for disformation's sake and my opinion has not changed.

You like my point about LS and Koshi's bad case on Grack, but dislike my second line? What else has LS else this game dude?

On December 29 2016 08:23 darthfoley wrote:
How the fuck is him saying ExO is probably town an original point? ExO has been townread by everyone except GB for ages. Even at the time, that was a safe read.

Most of what you just quoted is confined to two players, and a widely read town player. Color me not impressed

switches to koshi:
On December 29 2016 08:36 darthfoley wrote:
Fuck it I will vote Koshi if LS is not going to happen. The dude has one page filter and his only case is jabroni baloney on Grack

On December 29 2016 08:39 darthfoley wrote:
##Vote: Koshi

One page filter, won't get NK'd if he is town because of the suspicion he draws. Also no blues so don't have to worry about that. Only case is on Grack. Not happy with D1 but this is the way the cookie crumbles.


little addon onto ls:
On December 29 2016 08:44 darthfoley wrote:
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On December 29 2016 08:40 ExO_ wrote:
DF can you explain to me why LS lynch btw? I'm not sure I'm going to be comfortable moving votes as the deadline gets within the 5 minute window but what am I missing about LS?


It was mainly because I feel like his filter has been very carefully limited to talking about you (who most people view as town), and Koshi v. Grack. I also think Grack is way more townie at this point, so not sure why LS views the two completely opposite to me.

He's had a few town things to point to: the point of voting btdt, for example

On December 29 2016 08:54 darthfoley wrote:
I'm staying on Koshi unless it becomes an LS wagon.


dunno. this one is a bit hard.
like he has his own reads and the progression mostly makes sense.
well there is that part where he wants to lynch into the afks and then it goes to LS/Koshi.
Generally he seems to be cool with like whatever wagon, besides grack?

Problem: since EoD was so chaotic and so all over the place I can hardly blame the guy.
Still for whatever reason my gut feeling is pretty bleh on this one.
Also found the line of "One page filter, won't get NK'd if he is town because of the suspicion he draws. Also no blues so don't have to worry about that." to be rather strange. Esp. the NK thing? Just seems like a weird train of thought to me. Not sure if that is even really AI.

Also getting really tired. Will probably reread this one, if I dont dieded.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 21:29 GMT
#1174
@GB: I'd love to see an updated read on ExO_ from you.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 21:58 GMT
#1186
No LS didnt disappear when he was under pressure. he just went afk like 2h before deadline, after saying the main wagon is town cause meta and trying a little bit to get ppl to vote with koshi and him on another guy who turned out to be town.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 22:03 GMT
#1190
@df:
my points on chez and tt2 are different. tt2 didnt have any stances at all.
chez did meekly warn us but didnt do much about that.
these two things have 0 in common.

what the fuck do you mean with convenient read?
gracks intial position doesnt matter much because his first vote was way early in the middle of the day when noone was really considering him a lynch. pushing koshi partly of of mainly omgus doesnt give him town points at all.

How do you know scum were surprised by the Koshi lynch? By koshi flipping town.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 22:11 GMT
#1196
On December 30 2016 07:07 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2016 07:03 disformation wrote:
@df:
my points on chez and tt2 are different. tt2 didnt have any stances at all.
chez did meekly warn us but didnt do much about that.
these two things have 0 in common.

what the fuck do you mean with convenient read?
gracks intial position doesnt matter much because his first vote was way early in the middle of the day when noone was really considering him a lynch. pushing koshi partly of of mainly omgus doesnt give him town points at all.

How do you know scum were surprised by the Koshi lynch? By koshi flipping town.


1. That's fair. I think TimeTraveler has a very decent chance of just being overwhelmed scum ATM.

2. I mean convenient read as something that's very safe. You are saying that you think mafia is on the middle or end of the wagon... well that includes like 5/7 people so statistically that's probably true and therefore incredibly safe to "deduce"

3. Forgive me for not really understanding what you mean with your last sentence?

2. Ah IC. Okay let me try to explain again. It is more like for scum to be on the mid-end part of a wagon. Because scum usually doesnt want to give town info by scumhunting start wagons etc. So they hop onto a wagon on the back of a good case or once the coast is clear. This is not always true, good scummers can do otherwise etc. but it is usually likely.

This game we basically had only 1 wagon and all the other guys had like 2 ppl on them. so I am willing to say that scum could have hopped on a tad earlier, since a koshi lynch is very good for scum.

3. you asked me how I know that the koshi lynched surprised scum. I said: because koshi flipped town. =p
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 22:13 GMT
#1198
But you are right, I have looked more into progression of reads and reasonings and not thaaaat much into the timings. Should do that as well, if I can get some time. I'll add it to the todo
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
December 29 2016 22:33 GMT
#1199
aight. dont think ill get anything done b4 eon anymore. if i dont die i'll try to prepare some posts for after the break.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:00 GMT
#1216
Tictock
First things first:
On December 29 2016 08:59 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On December 29 2016 08:56 darthfoley wrote:
Why is Grack not voting Koshi after getting lots of us to vote Koshi?

I'm feeling nervous about how easily this lynch is happening when so many people were hard townreading Koshi when I started posting today.


If Koshi flips Town you are getting scrutinized to all hell tomorrow.

On December 29 2016 10:00 Tictock wrote:
After the end of each Day phase, there will be a 1 hour resolution period. You are not allowed to talk in the thread during this time.

I have Heard the Words and Heeded them for the Blessings Given.

Also I totally got the role I wanted so these Hosts rock!




Anyways not surprised Koshi flipped Town.

I think we should be lynching BtDt and Dis. I'm still not sold on LS being scum.

Grack looks super shit at EoD too. I need to reread him.

On December 29 2016 10:01 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 09:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
okay everyone who was eager to vote me and then voted koshi instead of not-voting slam needs to explain why

also grack you're fine with a koshi train and not even trying to make the LS train happen although you'd rather have lynched him? great job

disformation lynching koshi although being wishywashy as fuck and even being a crybaby that votes himself

wow


Yea we shoulda lynched you.

I'm sorry Koshi.

On December 29 2016 10:06 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 09:17 disformation wrote:
also: town is pretty much fucked. =D


Yea BtDt/Dis tomorrow.

Dis why the hell did you vote Koshi after saying you didn't want to lynch him D1?

Then these doom and gloom posts and accusations right after a Town flip are scummy as shit.

Did the grack reread happen?


Onto votings:
Starts with random vote on slot 7 in his opening. pretty NAI imo.
Votes me:
On December 28 2016 15:07 Tictock wrote:
Yea Kill with Fire.

##Vote: Disformfation

On December 28 2016 15:12 Tictock wrote:
Pretty much half of Dis' filter is useless fluff and any opinion he does give is just super off the cuff with no thought behind it.

Definitely not Town!Dis who brings his own brand of waffle-y thought to the game.

Also...
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2016 22:53 disformation wrote:
I dont like TT.
Order must be maintained.


What's not to like?

Against the grack lynch:
On December 29 2016 06:33 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:
Actually DF's progression on you seemed pretty great to me. Now I'll give a stronger town lean to DF.


Yea let's not lynch Grack please.

Too much piss and vinegar to be mafia imo.

Open to lynch into: LS/disfo/Slam:
On December 29 2016 06:58 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 06:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Actually
I'm not lynching disformation either. He has been here commenting stuff aswell.

Can we all agree on one target?


I can still lynch Dis despite him being around. Not sure why you think that makes him Town.

I'm open to lynching LS as well.

Other than that I'm not sure, I'm feeling a bit too lazy to recheck people at this point.

I guess we could flip the Slam coin.

BTDT comes in:
On December 29 2016 07:08 Tictock wrote:
I'd rather flip the BtDt coin than the Slam coin now tbh.

On December 29 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
Fuck it let's YoLo lynch BtDt.

##Vote: Beentheredonethat

On December 29 2016 07:24 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2016 00:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
/confirm


But its xmas. Expect me to play starting 27/28 only.

Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 06:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
oh shit

forgot about this game, have my gf here :<

will catch up tomorrow.

voting tictock because I have to vote


Totally knew the game was starting and is just trying to skate by D1.

Fantastic lynch.

looks at ls again:
On December 29 2016 08:22 Tictock wrote:
Went to glance over LS' filter.

Noticed this:

Show nested quote +
On December 28 2016 10:51 LightningStrike wrote:
On December 28 2016 10:50 Grackaroni wrote:
LS, what is your read on Koshi?

Scumlean still his big post was okay really lacking stuff from him sucks.


So I was actually wrong LS was scumreading both Grack and Koshi at the same time and didn't move to Grack until well after Koshi had started to push him.

Based on my interactions with LS earlier it also seems like he still thinks Koshi could easily be scum.

So really the only reads I saw from LS were Exo as Town and both Koshi and Grack as scum but he wants to lynch Grack first.

says his punch on btdt was bait:
On December 29 2016 08:31 Tictock wrote:
Ok I think I am back to wanting to lynch Dis and maybe Traveler.

I partially started to push BtDt just to see who jumped aboard and both of them did so without a second thought.

I'm not sure about LS, he could be scum, but I think he gets credit for pointing out a BtDt lynch gives next to no info.

I'm waffling a bit ATM deciding who I most want to lynch, kinda wanting to just go back to Dis.

but his vote stays on LS:
On December 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh not sure where the vote count is at. If we are actually between LS and Koshi then I'm going with LS.


Seems like he legit was trying to figure out who the best lynch is.
Though he has like no mention of koshi during the time that wagon started, he can just have been busy reading filters n stuff.

I actually kinda liked the btdt feint. Don't think scum would do that.
Not very likely to be scum overall.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:01 GMT
#1217
GlowingBear
On December 29 2016 05:20 GlowingBear wrote:
People, we are running out of time and we need to decide the lynch or Mafia will probably have this today.

Let's make a list of 3 people you want to lynch today?

Mine, in order:

1) Disformation
2) Exo
3) Time Traveler

into (the two wagons were grack and slam):
On December 29 2016 05:39 GlowingBear wrote:
I also have a feeling that both wagons are town. Because the lynch is going on and there is no bigger force trying to get to one or another, or to kill another target of both were Mafia. I know this is WIFOM but the feeling is very strong.

And Disformation, I think it's pretty bad your preferred lynch choices are the both leading wagons and that you'd vote either one. And you're voting the null guy instead of your scumlean.

You're the lynch for the day.

##Vote:disformation

Also doesnt want a grack lynch:
On December 29 2016 06:31 GlowingBear wrote:
GRACK IS NOT THE LYNCH TODAY

HE WON'T BE THE LYNCH TODAY.

I REFUSE TO LET THAT HAPPEN

He has one of the biggest filter atm and he has been here commenting stuff.

My suggestion is that we lynch Time Traveler/disformation

Doesnt want me lynched anymore:
On December 29 2016 06:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Actually
I'm not lynching disformation either. He has been here commenting stuff aswell.

Can we all agree on one target?

still wants exo or one of the nullers (preference for chez) as backup:
On December 29 2016 07:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Can we lynch Exo? He isn't even here

On December 29 2016 07:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Can we just lynch between chez or slan if we are not lynching Mafia today?

On December 29 2016 07:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok who between chez and slam?

I say chez

On December 29 2016 07:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Well I'm voting Chez. I'm not lynching an AFK nor a toenie

On December 29 2016 07:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2016 07:50 disformation wrote:
why not slam?


I don't know. I just prefer chez.

I've already said a ton of names I prefer to lynch but nobody is disxussing them, it's frustrating

goes for a drink and says to sheep grack:
On December 29 2016 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm sheeping grack. I'm going to drink now and won't be able to pay much attention to the game


Interestingly he votes koshi before grack, but super close to deadline.

Don't think GB looks particularly scummy. Multiple instances of reevaluation reads when presented with new evidence. Makes him more likely to be town. Also did try to organize some shit.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:01 GMT
#1218
i am at something like this:

[town]
ExO_
GB
tictock
DF
chez
btdt
slam
tt2
LS
grack
[scum]
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:01 GMT
#1219
So I'd like a LS vs Grack fight this cycle.
Also possible: there seem to be quite a few TRing Grack really hard. Sell me that TR, but better make it good.

generally we have a very disjunct opinion on some ppl.
grack is either very TR or very SR for example.
partially that also applies to like LS.
we def. need to consolidate more or the next EoD will be the same.

I also kinda dislike the tone some ppl use here, but will try to use what the hosts gave me to have some fun on my own this cycle. =p
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:01 GMT
#1220
timeline
VCA addendum for timeline.
Koshi (7) : ExO_, Chezinu, darthfoley, beentheredonethat, GlowingBear, Grackaroni, disformation

Okay. So the idea is that scum is less likely to start/open a new wagon, but rather hops onto a wagon for easy/sheepy reasons.
Since there was no counter wagon and only wagons with 2-3 ppl, I'd say that means the first 3 ppl are slightly less likely to be scum.
Overall there are 1-2 scum on that wagon. So tldr: I am pretty sure there is 1+ scummer in btdt, gb, grack, me

out of these four grack looks the worst (to me), as I already explained (yes he basically invented the wagon, but he also had to be basically reminded to vote koshi, as he was supposed to be according to what he said/did D1).
gb and me just hopped on at the very end for consolidation. doesnt actually give a lot of info, esp on GB who was afk leading up to EoD.
chez also had a really suspect reason to vote koshi, but at least he did so fairly early.
for btdt there is the question why he was so against lynching LS and for darth why he went from lynching into the nulls into lynching ls/koshi.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:02 GMT
#1221
off to bed cu tomorrow. will take peeks at work. =D
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:47 GMT
#1233
cant sleep.
actually superbia got dat super hipster scumread on darth. you remember? the one nobody got?
shame he wont be around to try and explain again.

flipping my town lean on df to a SR. to see if scum shoots me n2 for that. =D

still think ls vs grack should be resolved first.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:49 GMT
#1234
dont worry superbia disformationridge farm remembers!
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:51 GMT
#1238
@chez: what happened i thought you wanted to send me a seed so i can plant it.
i got nuthin in my mail box.
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Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 00:54 GMT
#1240
i also think the vote loan thing is pretty scum favored. will make eod even more chaotic and probably screw over vca too
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 01:09 GMT
#1256
well superbia could have died for a few reasons.
he doesnt give town a lot of info.
maybe he was right on df.
maybe all the super tr ppl are actually scum.
he had a decent chance of picking up the ball as the game progresses.

could be any (combination) of those. still found the df thing noteworthy. something to keep in mind.

also no idea what the weather does. =D

will try to sleep now
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Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
January 03 2017 06:53 GMT
#1336
@hosts: can i loan for an anti nuke?
or a nuke?
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