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"He is trying to improve his scum game, however. He's been lynched first on both occasions so he needs to."
This looks as though you are scum-reading me because you think my scum game has improved or that you are undermining the evidence of my previous scum games to make people think I am scum. To rephrase the second part, it’s as if you were saying that these games should not be taken into consideration when meta-reading me because you know that they 100% don’t match my play this game.
Superbad post.
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On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
First entry: Everything here is unproductive and bad.
*Posts nothing substantial*
Second entry: Everyone is bad, but drathfoley.
*Posts nothing to push the game forward or anything of the sort*
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On November 03 2016 22:18 Skynx wrote:
No voting thread?
##Vote: NeverUnlucky
"Vote for the longest filter"
A) Wrong vote.
B) There is 0 argument for me to be mafia.
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On November 03 2016 22:20 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 22:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote:
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth.
I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable. First entry: Everything here is unproductive and bad. *Posts nothing substantial* Second entry: Everyone is bad, but drathfoley. *Posts nothing to push the game forward or anything of the sort* Thanks for "pushing the game forward". You are really good at it.
THanks, fam. I try my hardest.
Could be worse. I could be a whiny bitch who appeals to emotion every time he's being voted as scum. Your scumplay deserves 0 respect.
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On November 03 2016 22:19 Rels wrote:Thanks. So that's the turbo game you and Calix were talking about at the point in the thread I'm at. Doesn't seem super impressive to me, only short posts and not a lot of fighting. Apparently your tone was aggressive and that is off-meta for you ? But you didn't really fight with other people.
The point is I power-wolved and threw shade everywhere. I'm not doing anything of the sort here.
Of course the posts were short. It is a turbo game. 18 mins/day.
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Offski for an hour or so.
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Calix calls me out for contradictions. When I ask her to point them out, she CANNOT provide quotes to support her claim.
In fact, she is the one who has contradicted herself the most this game.
Here, she says that ignoring is anti-town for players to ignore others because it shows that they do not want to reconsider their reads and that it favors tunneling. She even says that it is something she will try to avoid doing. YET, this is EXACTLY what she does. She ignores me completely, and is not willing to ever reconsider her read on me, despite the evidence of me being town and the lack of evidence for me being scum. BIG contradiction.
On November 03 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:40 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:35 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you  Sorry. It's ironic because you're insinuating that I am a bad player...but I'm pretty sure that you misinterpreted what Foreman said. He was calling me scum, not you. I am aware that he is only going after you. But as I share your concern regarding NU... And would like the same answer to be answered... He refuses to answer me, because he considers you to be scum. I don't agree on the policy of "I don't talk to who I consider scum". I consider this antitown, but I understand interpretations on this may differ. But I really dislike the policy of "I don't talk to you, because a player I consider to be scum shared your concerns". This is for sure antitown. So either he considers me scum too, or he is just antitown. Both conclusions are not really giving him any plus points in my book. It is extremely anti-town to ignore anyone save for red-checked players or the like. It shows that he is not willing to reconsider his reads and will be prone to tunnel-vision. (this is something I am specifically trying to avoid) I remain uncertain on Foreman. I'm inclined to scum-read him purely for his pathetic dismissal of my NU case (aka the most substantial post made this game) but I'm biased there as I think my case is pretty good. Furthermore, some of his posts have minor town-tells in them. (nothing convincing though) Concluding null as it stands.
On November 03 2016 21:42 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:38 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 21:37 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:34 Calix wrote:
#406 is mahrgell's best post that he's made. Actually really like it. lmao You who HATES meta-reads like a meta-read post. Eh, not surprised I guess. You did try to meta-read me this game and proved yourself a hypocrite once again. Why does that mean that other people can't use them? I said that it was his best post, not that I agree with meta reads. What is even the point of this post aside from to be antagonistic exactly? Point out the inconsistency in your narrative. There is no inconsistency and nothing you say will make it so. I'm not getting into an argument with you again so don't even try to start one. You're either mafia or toxic and both can be resolved by ignoring for the time being.
Here, she says that I am tamer when I am scum. Later, she says that my tone is abrasive and scum-reads me for it. Those are extreme opposites, and it shows another contradiction in her scum-read.
On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.
On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 22:25 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 22:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 22:18 Skynx wrote:
No voting thread?
##Vote: NeverUnlucky "Vote for the longest filter" A) Wrong vote. B) There is 0 argument for me to be mafia. A) You did not read apparently, no one said you were mafia. My vote is to help you stfu. B) Please go ahead and find me one post with solid arguments about anyone being mafia. Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia. I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere.
I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.
I will follow this up with a response of Calix’s case summary.
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On November 03 2016 22:28 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 22:25 Skynx wrote:On November 03 2016 22:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 22:18 Skynx wrote:
No voting thread?
##Vote: NeverUnlucky "Vote for the longest filter" A) Wrong vote. B) There is 0 argument for me to be mafia. A) You did not read apparently, no one said you were mafia. My vote is to help you stfu. B) Please go ahead and find me one post with solid arguments about anyone being mafia. Amusingly enough, your STFU vote is on mafia. I'm scum-reading him largely due to multiple inconsistencies (e.g., breaking his promise to keep discussion civil, flip-flopping on his read of me with dodgy read progression, contradicting stances he has taken on matters in past (town) games, he suspects half the players in the game but claims that he's not 'throwing shade') and being unnecessarily abrasive at a time when town has a semi-productive atmosphere. I'm still writing up a larger post on this so consider this a summary.
Breaking my ‘promise’ to keep discussion civil :
I have never made such a promise. It was the way I approached the game at first, trying to favor discussion by being civil. This is due to feedback I’ve received last game, and keeping a positive thread atmosphere being one of the three town leader ‘pillars’.
I also do not see why you are scum-reading me for this. I had a pro-town intention at the start of the game. There is even a progression in my posts showing how I went from ‘‘let’s be nice’’ to toxic. It’s not an inconsistency if there is clear progression of my mood/tone.
Flip-flopping my read on you :
Fair enough, though I’m kind of always doing that, so I don’t really think it’s AI.
Contradicting stances I’ve had in past town games :
Re : my previous post, you claim that I’ve done such thing, but fail to ever point it out. Claiming something does not make it true. Also, how the fuck do you want me to counter this point more than this if you cannot even support your own claim?
Suspecting half the players and claiming I am not throwing shade :
Suspecting players =/= throwing shade???????????? Throwing shade is giving faulty/shady reasoning for one to be scum, and I have not done that this game (except for you).
Once again, you fail to back-up your claim with tangible evidence.
I’m not sure if you’re also saying that me suspecting half the players is scummy, but if you are : how is it scummy for town to suspect half the players less than 12 hours into the game? How is this abnormal for me?
Being abrasive :
Re : my previous post, this is an inconsistency on your part as you claimed that my scum play was tamer.
How is me being abrasive an argument for you to sr me? If anything, it is an argument to tr judging on past games.
Town did not have a semi-productive atmosphere. It was 2 pages of NU is scum, and rhetorical NAI vs AI talk. That’s not productive.
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I really did not want to use this argument to prove that I am town, but since Cali xis hard tunneling and being really bad, I will make a fool of myself and make the obs chat have something to discuss for a while. 
Read at your own risks.
+ Show Spoiler +Yesterday, I skipped a class just to play mafia (not knowing that Calix was going to be a piss-off). Here is my schedule : ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JycHut4.png) As you can see, I posted multiple times between 4 :30 – 6 :30 PM, hours in which I should have been in class. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2016 05:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:Oh ha! I'm back ^^ Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Remember when you coached in that newbie game? I tried to be town's leader and create a positive atmosphere for everyone to participate. Yeah? Well, that's kind of what I'm trying to do here to. That's where the weird tone (It's even weird to me) comes from. If you want me to reiterate/put in other words what I said early on, I'd say that I don't like your "tap" on ExO, and don't like neither ExO nor you. I'll be obvious town, don't worry c: On November 03 2016 05:49 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. 3) I am not attempting to buddy Calix at all right now. You read CTM, you know how I interact with her when I town-read her. I did not mean to pretend she shared my point on ExO nor did I mean to "appease" Calix. Such thing is impossible. On November 03 2016 06:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Oh, god! Guys, could you at least wait for me to be here so you don't make factually incorrect claims about my meta? :/ Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind. Well in my opinion, this is how it went down: - He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix" This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that. That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea. This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy. It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target. So yeah, discuss and all that. It is wrong that I am tamer as scum. Calix, you've read my latest scum game, you would know that I throw shade and throw shade as scum. I power-wolf. Here, I am trying to be civil and have everyone participate. Last game, in the obs QT, Shapelog mentioned 3-4 times that I was a nuisance to the thread atmosphere. It's clear that this is what team NU is trying to fix here. I could shitpost just like last game and call everyone bad, but that wouldn't fix the problem, right? I rephrased what I had meant two posts ago. What you depicted in this quote is not what I meant/what happened. How is it scummy though? Like, just last game you were calling me scum for claiming to be mod-confirmable, then when HF questioned you, you backtracked. It's actually pro-town. The bolded part stuns me. I'm trying my best not to bash you on it. Same for this whole post you just made on me. I said that I did not like your push, how did you make this leap to think that I was being deceptive into fueling your tunnel? On November 03 2016 06:16 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:09 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 04:01 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:54 mahrgell wrote:On November 03 2016 03:30 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:26 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 03:23 Calix wrote:On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c: I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous. I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from? I said that. Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point. Clarify this now, please. I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject. Offski. I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why. Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment. Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you. + Show Spoiler +
With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.
Well in my opinion, this is how it went down:
- He asks why ExO is being overly defensive.
- I call ExO anti-town.
- He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive.
- I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions.
- He denies claiming this.
- I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix"
This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that.
That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea.
This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy.
It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target.
So yeah, discuss and all that.
Yes, this is pretty much my 3). I fully agree with you here. Also he started voting Exo. Now of course he will most likely tell us, that he pregame announced he was PL'ing gifs. But that is just the same category as the usual "totally busy, won't post" pregame crap... Nice excuse if you roll mafia, and who cares if you don't do it and roll town. From a townie I would expect a calmer attitude instead of throwing votes on someone who posted one textpost and one gif. He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy.... Overall... Not liking it. But let's wait for NU to explain himself. I don't make excuses for my play. I am really going to be busy until Nov 7. Calix can confirm that I mentioned this in the Dota 2 Obs QT. Busy NU is still more active than most people around here, so it should not be a problem. I don't understand what you are pushing when you bring up my ExO vote and my being busy. My attitude was calm. What made you think otherwise? I am still on ExO though. I will change my vote sometime because he seems to have stopped posting gifs (Page 9 anyways), and that was the reason I was voting him for. "He could have easily stayed on Exo and push that lynch, if there is some movement. Or he could stay there, if he doesn't want to vote a scumbuddy... Or he could just switch as easy...." I really don't understand why you posted this. You are not bringing anything to the table by doing so. It looks pretty scummy to me. Etc. I would not have skipped class if I had rolled mafia is what I’m saying. :3
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Also, I townslipped pretty hard earlier in the thread. If Calix still scum-reads me when she gets back, she is scum-claiming.
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I have no idea what to make of Skynx's latest two wot.
mahr, what's your take on them?
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On November 03 2016 04:58 Calix wrote:
As a side note, I was supposed to be posting LESS this game. Well fuck that.
As always, most of the other players are lazy arseholes so I guess it's my job to carry the town discussion yet again and get shanked N1.
Boring.
You are tunneling a town and restraining said town from being productive. You're not getting killed if you are town.
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Sooooo... both players who gave me shit for saying "or he is blue" are going down this road too. haHAA.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 01:22 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This makes ExO very likely town Explain. 1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one. 2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing. I hadn't thought of #2; however, couldn't he later claim blue and just say, "of course i'd claim VT early! Who wouldn't?! Didn't want mafia to think I was blue!" On November 03 2016 09:51 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Really? A townie speculating about another player being blue or red? I mean, is this EVER smart? Mafia knows what color the guy is, and if he isn't red, you probably helped them in case they didn't notice. ... and because I alluded to ExO possibly being blue. Notice how he says that I am a townie aka he knows I am town while scum-reading me? This is spewing. - read it as "can you imagine a townie speculating". I already said that I try to interpret actions from both sides. And here it completely failed to interpret this from a town perspective. Because I still don't see any motivation for a townie to speculate about it. But I guess you prefer to grammartwist it and imply stuff that wasn't there. Show nested quote +
Also, he fails to explain how this makes me scum. He says that my post wasn't smart, which I agree with, but doesn't say that it makes me scum.
Scum would have that blue talk in their respective QT, yes, I made a mistake by alluding to this possibility, but it really doesn't make me scum.
Okay, as you asked for the explanation, I thought this would be obvious. No, I did not see it as you hinting your scumbuddies to this guy potentially being a blue. So your argument is completely moot. But there are still 2 scenarios for this to be scumplay imho: a) an attempt for getting a blueclaim out early, if that line was intentional b) if the line was unintentional... Scum has to make up stuff, has to look like they are provinding reads and content, without giving anythign away but confusion and misleads. And yes, when making up stuff, sometimes mistakes happen. So call it a slip. If it was a) I would be very disappointed in you, but b) I consider fully in the realm of possibilities. If I weight your very weird interpretation of my "A townie speculating" and compare it to my interpretation of your bluesuspicion... I give my own interpretation more likelihood to be anything than yours.
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for rels
Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.
On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.
I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.
Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?
Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.
However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry. I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.
Mind meld.
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama
Foreman did not write off Calix ._.
He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz
Obviously no post will scream scum.
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.
Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?
I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away
I can see why you hated it.
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On November 04 2016 01:44 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 01:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:Sooooo... both players who gave me shit for saying "or he is blue" are going down this road too. haHAA. + Show Spoiler +On November 04 2016 01:22 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth This makes ExO very likely town Explain. 1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one. 2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing. I hadn't thought of #2; however, couldn't he later claim blue and just say, "of course i'd claim VT early! Who wouldn't?! Didn't want mafia to think I was blue!" On November 03 2016 09:51 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Really? A townie speculating about another player being blue or red? I mean, is this EVER smart? Mafia knows what color the guy is, and if he isn't red, you probably helped them in case they didn't notice. ... and because I alluded to ExO possibly being blue. Notice how he says that I am a townie aka he knows I am town while scum-reading me? This is spewing. - read it as "can you imagine a townie speculating". I already said that I try to interpret actions from both sides. And here it completely failed to interpret this from a town perspective. Because I still don't see any motivation for a townie to speculate about it. But I guess you prefer to grammartwist it and imply stuff that wasn't there. Show nested quote +
Also, he fails to explain how this makes me scum. He says that my post wasn't smart, which I agree with, but doesn't say that it makes me scum.
Scum would have that blue talk in their respective QT, yes, I made a mistake by alluding to this possibility, but it really doesn't make me scum.
Okay, as you asked for the explanation, I thought this would be obvious. No, I did not see it as you hinting your scumbuddies to this guy potentially being a blue. So your argument is completely moot. But there are still 2 scenarios for this to be scumplay imho: a) an attempt for getting a blueclaim out early, if that line was intentional b) if the line was unintentional... Scum has to make up stuff, has to look like they are provinding reads and content, without giving anythign away but confusion and misleads. And yes, when making up stuff, sometimes mistakes happen. So call it a slip. If it was a) I would be very disappointed in you, but b) I consider fully in the realm of possibilities. If I weight your very weird interpretation of my "A townie speculating" and compare it to my interpretation of your bluesuspicion... I give my own interpretation more likelihood to be anything than yours. I don't understand what this post is trying to imply
You called me out for something you did. Hypocrite.
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On November 03 2016 08:35 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2016 07:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I agree with TT on all points. Especially line 3.
His VT claim was very odd, too, even more when you see him explaining it in 4 lines. It could have been him setting up a reason to be alive late in the game as scum, or he is a blue. In any case, I highly doubt that he is VT as VTs don't claim VT. Why on earth would you bring up discussion of blues on D1, even if that's what you thought?
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Whatever you say, what you did is discuss blue roles for what you called me out. The angle does not matter.
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Perhaps you have reads you would like to share? c:
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On November 04 2016 01:55 mahrgell wrote:Back again now. I at first just wanted to answer skynx post about me. You want me to answer the rest of skynx post? or anything else?
I would like you to read my answers to Calix and re-adjust your read if applicable. ^^
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