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Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 21:38 GMT
#273
On November 03 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum.


What prompted this?


Filter me.

That's why I want reads and original content from them.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 21:39 GMT
#274
On November 03 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum.


What prompted this?


Or read 268.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 21:46 GMT
#281
On November 03 2016 06:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 06:33 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 06:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:

I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.

And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.

That's about how my read look like.


How do you dislike mag**** less than Calix when mag**** has been an echo chamber of Calix?

Mahrgell is willing to take step back from his pushes while Calix is seemingly trying to get me stuck in the past and not backing off, instead worsening her already god awful push.


Right... and which one sounds scummier to you?

The one rushing headlong into a 1v1, or the one that supports the 1v1 but lays low to avoid fallout?

##Vote maghrell (or whatever)
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 21:55 GMT
#286
On November 03 2016 06:49 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 06:17 Foreman wrote:
I'd like to see some reads with original content from mahrgell.


How many you need? You obviously ignored all my posts about yourself.

But let's summarize and update:
Looking at your entire post history, I try to figure out how you managed to come to the conclusion you have. If you have no information about the game, you should have seen the same as me. And yet somehow you managed to take another turn at pretty much every point in the game. So far all your actions have been about the opposite of what I would expect from someone who saw the same as I did, with the same information I have. (none).

1) you see the Calix vs Exo_ interaction and for weird reasons tunnel down on Calix. Was she(it seems like Calix is a she?) pushing Exo? I don't think so. If she was, I agree it was pointless, but well... Day1. You were sure she was pushing Exo. Okay... Happy tunneling.
2) so you chase after people for having the antitown-proscum conversation, just to push that conversation further. If it was in your interest to remove this discussion from the thread to steer the game in a more town friendly direction, you should probably not try to last word in that conversation.
3) Next Calix asks you about NU. Instead of answering, you refuse to answer at all, because you consider Calix scum. I believe enough people pointed out at this point that this is pretty anti-town. Considering you being worried about the town atmosphere before, this is rather ironic.
4) I ask you about NU too. You dismiss it as parroting. Besides the fact that I consider it not parroting, but admit, that my critique on NU was very similar to Calix (earlier, not her latest) posts, let's for a moment assume it was parroting. At this point you claimed to scumlean Calix, but didn't say anything about me. If I were a townie, and see someone else parrot a person I consider scum... I for sure as hell would do my best to get this person to stop sheeping a scummie. Either you turn on me right away, or you try to get me away from her. Instead you just dismissed me. If I was sheeping Calix and you considered her scum, you willingly gave her an additional vote.
5) Your general contribution to this thread has never been in the interest of improving the atmosphere. In none of the mentioned points have you ever tried for a constructive conversation. And your latest responses to NU weren't better either. Not sure if it was in this thread or in the other one, but when you asked about the TL meta someone (NU?) answered: "Be wrong and a dick about it" This is exactly what I see you doing here.


I guess you earned it
##Vote Foreman


Nice OMGUS brah.

1) So what?
2) I contributed to the discussion, I did not chase after anyone for participating in it. That's a mighty fine misrep.
3) So?
4) You're assuming I was hard-scumreading Calix. That's foolish. I was ignoring her push because she was ignoring mine. I was ignoring yours because you're an echo chamber.
5) Lol, that's actually reason not to vote me, clown.

Feeling better about my vote.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 21:57 GMT
#290
On November 03 2016 06:51 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 06:38 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum.


What prompted this?


Filter me.

That's why I want reads and original content from them.


Yea I did that before posting, I'm a bit confused why you went from being uber-tunneled on Calix to suddenly considering her as town.

I'll be honest, I was thinking you were lock scum up till this post but it gave me pause because I consider thinking about people from both alignments is a good town trait. However your posts seem more like you are just shifting focus away from Calix to another target but your read really hasn't changed.

Right now I'd stick with my initial read that you are scum and attribute this shift to being told in your QT that you are tunneling too much.


I started kicking around the idea of Calix town in the post you asked me about, actually. That's why I started talking to her.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 22:01 GMT
#294
On November 03 2016 06:58 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 06:55 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 06:49 mahrgell wrote:
On November 03 2016 06:17 Foreman wrote:
I'd like to see some reads with original content from mahrgell.


How many you need? You obviously ignored all my posts about yourself.

But let's summarize and update:
Looking at your entire post history, I try to figure out how you managed to come to the conclusion you have. If you have no information about the game, you should have seen the same as me. And yet somehow you managed to take another turn at pretty much every point in the game. So far all your actions have been about the opposite of what I would expect from someone who saw the same as I did, with the same information I have. (none).

1) you see the Calix vs Exo_ interaction and for weird reasons tunnel down on Calix. Was she(it seems like Calix is a she?) pushing Exo? I don't think so. If she was, I agree it was pointless, but well... Day1. You were sure she was pushing Exo. Okay... Happy tunneling.
2) so you chase after people for having the antitown-proscum conversation, just to push that conversation further. If it was in your interest to remove this discussion from the thread to steer the game in a more town friendly direction, you should probably not try to last word in that conversation.
3) Next Calix asks you about NU. Instead of answering, you refuse to answer at all, because you consider Calix scum. I believe enough people pointed out at this point that this is pretty anti-town. Considering you being worried about the town atmosphere before, this is rather ironic.
4) I ask you about NU too. You dismiss it as parroting. Besides the fact that I consider it not parroting, but admit, that my critique on NU was very similar to Calix (earlier, not her latest) posts, let's for a moment assume it was parroting. At this point you claimed to scumlean Calix, but didn't say anything about me. If I were a townie, and see someone else parrot a person I consider scum... I for sure as hell would do my best to get this person to stop sheeping a scummie. Either you turn on me right away, or you try to get me away from her. Instead you just dismissed me. If I was sheeping Calix and you considered her scum, you willingly gave her an additional vote.
5) Your general contribution to this thread has never been in the interest of improving the atmosphere. In none of the mentioned points have you ever tried for a constructive conversation. And your latest responses to NU weren't better either. Not sure if it was in this thread or in the other one, but when you asked about the TL meta someone (NU?) answered: "Be wrong and a dick about it" This is exactly what I see you doing here.


I guess you earned it
##Vote Foreman


Nice OMGUS brah.

1) So what?
2) I contributed to the discussion, I did not chase after anyone for participating in it. That's a mighty fine misrep.
3) So?
4) You're assuming I was hard-scumreading Calix. That's foolish. I was ignoring her push because she was ignoring mine. I was ignoring yours because you're an echo chamber.
5) Lol, that's actually reason not to vote me, clown.

Feeling better about my vote.


With regards to #3, how do you explain this post?

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 04:23 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:20 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:17 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:14 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:10 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote:
@Foreman
Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU?
Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there?


The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous.


Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear.

Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how?


Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it.


Why do I need to 'acquit myself' for you to take my NU case seriously?

You either agree with it or you don't. My 'credibility' has nothing to do with wherever you think I make valid points on NU.

Poor reaction from you.


Lol whatever dude.

I'm not wasting my time humoring scum, and right now that's what you are to me.


If you want me to take you seriously, I suggest you take me seriously.


If I'm hard reading you as scum, I won't be reaching out to you to convince me otherwise.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 22:07 GMT
#300
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.


Who's your dealer because I want some of what you're smoking.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 22:09 GMT
#301
Yo Marg, show us some reads on somebody besides the person you're echoing for and the guy that's calling you out please.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 02 2016 22:12 GMT
#304
On November 03 2016 07:10 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 06:53 Calix wrote:
On November 03 2016 06:51 Tictock wrote:
On November 03 2016 06:38 Foreman wrote:
On November 03 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:
On November 03 2016 04:57 Foreman wrote:
If Calix is town, there's a fair chance that marghell is scum.


What prompted this?


Filter me.

That's why I want reads and original content from them.


Yea I did that before posting, I'm a bit confused why you went from being uber-tunneled on Calix to suddenly considering her as town.

I'll be honest, I was thinking you were lock scum up till this post but it gave me pause because I consider thinking about people from both alignments is a good town trait. However your posts seem more like you are just shifting focus away from Calix to another target but your read really hasn't changed.

Right now I'd stick with my initial read that you are scum and attribute this shift to being told in your QT that you are tunneling too much.


What made you think Foreman was 'lock scum' in the first place?


He jumped on you for being try-hard and didn't have an opinion on anyone else.

Took him a full page of filter before he even talked about anyone else, and even then it was only a segway based on his read on you.


Segue.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 14:59 GMT
#471
On November 03 2016 21:42 mahrgell wrote:
. Scum has usually 2 options:
a) make up stuff
b) reinforce shitty assumptions by townies
Meanwhile a townie sees what I see. So if I feel myself completely unable to follow the line of thought of a player, this is a scumlean for me. In the end, I have to judge if the different judgements made by other players are due to different character or due to hidden agenda.


This is terribad. So any townie that you disagree with is scummy to you?

Because like, two town can't see the same thing and have completely different thoughts about the same situation, what with the fact that everybody has identical environmental factors and upbringing, amirite?

Oh wait...
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 15:00 GMT
#473
On November 03 2016 21:43 NeverUnlucky wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Calix


Town doesn't ignore other members of the town.


That is so false, lol.

Not liking somebody's playstyle doesn't make them scum.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 15:04 GMT
#474
##Vote: Skynx

I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 16:18 GMT
#488
On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx

I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game.

I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time.

Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit.


Seriously?

Who calls themselves low hanging fruit?

That's such a crap defense.

I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time".
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 18:26 GMT
#553
On November 04 2016 02:28 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 01:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Perhaps you have reads you would like to share? c:


Sure

I think Foreman is most town to me.



Please explain. I'm rarely "most town" on sites I play regularly, so this feels off with no explanation.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 18:30 GMT
#555
On November 04 2016 02:48 darthfoley wrote:
I'd also appreciate Foreman's reads when he gets a chance


Sure, as soon as you explain your read of me, which was given before you know my reads of everyone else.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 18:35 GMT
#556
On November 04 2016 03:05 darthfoley wrote:
Best scum team 2k16 NU Calix


Nah... One perhaps but not both.

I'm leaning TvT, personally. I'd expect scum to be more laid back and just pushing back enough to get out of the public eye.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 20:34 GMT
#607
On November 04 2016 04:01 darthfoley wrote:
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?



Mahrgell is still sus, I just realized that Skynx had been posting a bunch of nothingness and wanted him to step up his game.

Then that icky post where he calls himself low hanging fruit made my vote stickier.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 20:36 GMT
#610
On November 04 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:
On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:
On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx

I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game.

I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time.

Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit.


Seriously?

Who calls themselves low hanging fruit?

That's such a crap defense.

I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time".

Stand by the facts.

I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit.

Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point.


Bullshit.

You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 21:02 GMT
#626
On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?

As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"

He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here.


His wall posts don't line up with the mindset of somebody that considers themselves low hanging fruit.
Lies are the ultimate weapon. They can be used to bludgeon or cut with the precision of a scalpel.
Foreman
Profile Joined October 2016
United States88 Posts
November 03 2016 21:05 GMT
#631
On November 04 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?

As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"

He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here.


Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT.

You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia


How would he, as scum, know you are VT?

A blue would have a better idea whether you were bullshitting than scum, would they not?
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