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On December 06 2016 02:01 sicklucker wrote: I still think hf is a lock town but its laughable how wrong hes been about everything this game. which is probably a reason to think hes town ec
Is it too scummy to be scum, or just the right level of scum?
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I just can't wrap my head around how sl's fake claim has town intent. I guess I'll believe his reasons if he flips green.
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mahrg is pretty town bruh, still trying to solve the game and act in a towny fashion. He's actually kept the activity up all throughout.
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+ he's a dota player
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Look mafia hasn't done shit this game. They can't even get a single mislynch. We were generous by giving them our cop for free, our jailkeeper for free, and two free mislynches. AND they still might lose. The only way mafia will win is if town flounders around enough and can't get their shit together.
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On December 06 2016 02:51 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 02:48 emperorchampion wrote: Look mafia hasn't done shit this game. They can't even get a single mislynch. We were generous by giving them our cop for free, our jailkeeper for free, and two free mislynches. AND they still might lose. The only way mafia will win is if town flounders around enough and can't get their shit together. Game has ended? Didn't notice it. Shouldn't actually exactly your mindset ring some bells? If this is really what is happening here... then wouldn't mafia finally do something? Or are they maybe not doing anything... Because town seems completely wrong? As mentioned earlier by IDK who... LS was either an attempted bluesnipe... or a blend kill.
Mafia can't do anything cause the only people with town cred are me, you, and now rels.
What do you mean by blendkill? I believe the reason for killing LS was taking out a confirmed town.
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tbh I thought the game was almost solved last night when I thought rels was scum, now we're back to square 1
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On December 06 2016 03:00 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 02:57 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 02:51 mahrgell wrote:On December 06 2016 02:48 emperorchampion wrote: Look mafia hasn't done shit this game. They can't even get a single mislynch. We were generous by giving them our cop for free, our jailkeeper for free, and two free mislynches. AND they still might lose. The only way mafia will win is if town flounders around enough and can't get their shit together. Game has ended? Didn't notice it. Shouldn't actually exactly your mindset ring some bells? If this is really what is happening here... then wouldn't mafia finally do something? Or are they maybe not doing anything... Because town seems completely wrong? As mentioned earlier by IDK who... LS was either an attempted bluesnipe... or a blend kill. Mafia can't do anything cause the only people with town cred are me, you, and now rels. What do you mean by blendkill? I believe the reason for killing LS was taking out a confirmed town. Not sure if you are reading the thread, but I don't have the feeling you are confirmed town for everyone here... Uhm... I havent seen anyone townlock me either, given the flak I'm getting here... And your reasoning on townlocking me so far has been "activity and tries to solve the game". And why was LS townconfirmed? Only because of the NU spew? Not sure he was really a toptown at that moment either... There was a lot of WIFOM to pull on him...
If you have like 10 reasons to town read someone, and 1 wifom reason why they can be scum, they're probably town.
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On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote: Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro.
Right now my stance looks like this:
1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock
2. Holyflare 4. Onegu
11. sicklucker
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sl you town or not bro?
What train is HF on? Thinks sl is town, wants to lynch him, but thinks TT and I are mafia together?
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If sl is town, then I'm left with HF and onegu. Also LOL at HF thinking that I'm just following the hip reads.
I AM the one making the original reads. You're just along for the ride baby.
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On December 06 2016 03:54 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 03:50 emperorchampion wrote: sl you town or not bro?
What train is HF on? Thinks sl is town, wants to lynch him, but thinks TT and I are mafia together? If You Think Sl Is Mafia I'm Confirmed Town
Does it work the other way around then too?
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On December 06 2016 03:56 Holyflare wrote: No.
Look at this.
Sl = mafia fake claiming jk, never in a million years does he send kp. Jk rels blocks me. I'm confirmed town.
Deal with it.
OK I like it. So you and sl as a team off the table.
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On December 06 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote: Before I post my current idea on Emp, one question: @night... Did you think SL was JK 100%? Or did you think he could be VT or scum? Like looking back, what percentage you would give each option there?
Well I thought he was town, so jk made sense from that perspective. Didn't really think about vt or scum, but mostly cause I just didn't think about it. So probably: jk - 80% scum 20% vt 0%
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Does scum TT really put his balls out there to try and save sl?
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I actually see your prespective, you think scum!EC and scum!TT are trying to buddy town!SL, and will try to vote on someone
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On December 06 2016 06:42 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 02:28 emperorchampion wrote: I just can't wrap my head around how sl's fake claim has town intent. I guess I'll believe his reasons if he flips green. This is such a mafia post, you don't call out someone fake claiming with 0 Town intent then imply they are gunna flip green. Starting to buy the world of Emp/SL here. If we can be sure Onegu is town then you guys can even lynch between me/Emp/SL. I'm not sure I can buy Gell or Darth being scum. I could see HF maybe still, but I can follow his train of thought pretty well today. Besides half my read on him is just paranoia. With Rels being JK I think you guys should be forming a town circle between Rels/Gell/Darth and trying to rule out mafia from there.
Why is onegu town? That's a bit out of no where.
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On December 06 2016 06:29 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 00:01 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 23:52 mahrgell wrote: Just read HF: Is he always such a tunnel dweller? He spends the first 36 hours with nobody except me, then goes on with focusing on Rels entirely. There is like one comment on DF, and a 2 post conversation with Koshi in his filter. All questions outside of that are blocked with excuses of him being too lazy to do that.
Like his entire play can be seen as a super tunnely townie, or a scum player who uses the tunnel excuse to never talk about anything else. I guess he is on my Neut-pile too.
Gimme vig, and I will shoot him for his name butchery though. If you have the same feelings D3, lynch him with everything you got and don't talk to him. Just lynch him. Gather your townie friends and lynch him. atm it is too early to judge. He is a bit underwhelming but mafia might need to shoot him anyway. Just want to bring this post back for posterity. RIP Koshi. The tinfoil in me can't understand why HF hasn't been targeted yet. He's my hardest town read atm but wah this is potentially troublesome. He should be the kill after the JK dies, if we get to that stage. The other tinfoil in me thinks that mahrgell has gone above and beyond his usual WoT posts that are almost always directed at HF. This almost has the feel of a Shapelog scum filter from that newbie game he won by just spamming WoT-towny enough-30 page filter. I'm also uneasy about how much waffling he is doing regarding sicklucker. Reminds me of his stance (iirc) of the Shapelog lynch where he waffled all day then threw a "conscience" vote on sl that was pretty meaningless. I know i'm tinfoiling rather committedly here but it's something to keep in mind. Especially since LS died. He has said some things that i've been thinking though meh. Definitely not the lynch today. For everyone saying scum!sl doesn't have motive to fake claim JK... uhhh yea he does. Lynch was most likely going to be him so he does a 1v1 trade and (almost) ensures the JK to die next night. Sure it's a little risky, but if you're going to go down you might as well pull down the JK and eliminate all roles from the game. On the off chance that people somehow don't lynch scum!sl today, it's double beneficially because mafia can probably still kill JK + orchestrate a mislynch potentially. A scum JK fake claim early night also has the potential of a silly person like me or mahrgell to potentially be so excited to CC that we do it before the resolution phase and get killed for our troubles. I see plenty of scum rationale behind the fake claim during the night. Gonna be salty that Onegu is jchillin if he's mafia because *under the radar* Gonna read through HF's case on emp. Also thought HF/Rels point of TT not tinfoiling is a smart point I hadn't thought of. Btw, I am + Show Spoiler + the jailkeeper
These are my current thoughts on the sl fake claim.
It looks a lot like sl trying to trade 1v1 for the jailer, and now trying to backpeddle for the best case which is not getting lynched at all. SL, I know you've explained it many times how it makes sense from town perspective, but it's just not a town play I can wrap my head around. The fact that you're in this position means it was a bad play lol.
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On December 06 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote: Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro. Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker Wtf, how did HF drop so much in your reads without you interacting with him this whole time?
Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out.
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On December 06 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote: Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro. Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker Wtf, how did HF drop so much in your reads without you interacting with him this whole time? Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out.
Hence the reason that I no longer think that he's confirmed town since I should have added this sentence to the end.
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