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On December 02 2016 02:20 darthfoley wrote:
Reposting this top of page because i'm an attention whore
A few other points worth nothing:
I knew my vote on NU near the deadline wasn't going to get me town-cred either way, but I wanted to solidify the wagon so the vote couldn't be influenced by 3 non-voters coming back <30 min before deadline and doing shenanigans. Also voted for NU because that one post about "it's a great case, you're right :/" was so fucking different from the last game I played with town!NU that I was comfortable voting for him.
That response, especially given his flip leads me to believe one of two hypotheses: he intentionally tried to keep the only viable train on himself so at least one partner could gain much needed town-cred through EoD. This is ESPECIALLY true considering NU was the framer and it's 11v2 EoD1! You need to make sure at least one of your partners will not be cop checked for at least a few nights, so at least one of your partners needs to gain enough town-cred through your death that he will never be a cop check until D3/D4.
The other, more lazy, scenario is that both of his mafia partners were inactive EoD (e.g. Shapelog/Checkm8) and he didn't care enough to set up anything because of how shit his teammates were being.
I think the first scenario is plausible. It's pretty much an admission of "bus me".
Scenario 2 I don't think makes sense. If both my partners were afk I would try twice as hard and spite lynch them, cause fuck it.
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On December 02 2016 07:49 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 07:03 darthfoley wrote:
don't understand why the medic or jk didn't save Koshi. Thought he was most town I'm kinda assuming it's setup #3 with a flipped Framer and Cop. Maybe JK decided he had a better TR on someone else, also possibly got RB'd.
What, why 3? What do you think happened last night?
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@sl: Add to the darth pile, that he was the one who began the "investigation" of shapelog.
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On December 02 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:
CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.
Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!
There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum. I've said for a while it's probably Shapelog or Checkm8 + one active town
I personally think that this particular afk'ness is NAI. Mafia have nothing to gain by missing votes. Mafia does something like what Rels did, do nothing then park your vote with the consensus and go along with your life. In my eyes, c8 and shape are basically at pre-EoD. I can see an argument for c8, maybe the dude just doesn't know what to post anymore, but not shape.
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On December 02 2016 10:10 sicklucker wrote:
Heres why hf would not nk koshi. Hf is a very good scum player right? and hes not really scumread by very many people in this game.
So theres no reason for him to take an insane risk and target someone whos gonna be protected like 50-70% of the time thats insane for him. Hes in a good position to win this game as scum. There is 0 reason he would do this as scum zero.
Who would do this nk as scum? Well the simple answer is people who suck. People who are losing getting rape. People who have zero confidence in winning the game without getting really lucky and dodging a save. This is not holyflares mo.
This is darth/shapelog/check new player or less confident type of players that make this nk.
Holyflare is too cocky and good to make this nightkill.
He was acualy right when he said this nk makes him confirm town. Damn you holyflare
Yeah I get the point, it's a bit wifom. But I think it's reason enough at the moment that HF shouldn't be lynched.
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On December 02 2016 10:19 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Look at darthfoley. That guy showed some serious face.
Tried to divert the lynch from NU on ch8 with what? Some random accusation.. Koshi covering part of why I thought darth and nu were partners. This was pre flip people. Then nu acualy flipped mafia. Logic says we keep listening to my reads and kill who I thought was his partner before he even fucking flipped
Then we lynch you for bussing both of your team mates 
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On December 02 2016 10:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 10:15 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote:On December 02 2016 09:54 mahrgell wrote:
And one last thing I would like to remind people of:
CM8 and Shlog can not be scum together. This is simply ruled out.
Unless you are saying that they both risked being mod killed for not posting the entire night after being warned for not voting, but somehow submitted a nightkill!
There is at least one active scum around.
And now if you apply this logic, this is actually making the Shlog train much weaker.
Assume you give CM8 a chance of 30% to be scum. This means Shlog has maximum 70% if there is guaranteed to be one scum between those two. And there is still the chance neither is scum.
If you now tell me SHLOG SCUM 100%... Okay. Then you have to really convince me why CM8 can't be scum. I've said for a while it's probably Shapelog or Checkm8 + one active town I personally think that this particular afk'ness is NAI. Mafia have nothing to gain by missing votes. Mafia does something like what Rels did, do nothing then park your vote with the consensus and go along with your life. In my eyes, c8 and shape are basically at pre-EoD. I can see an argument for c8, maybe the dude just doesn't know what to post anymore, but not shape. Did you read my post discussing Shapelog's opinion of NU and how bad it was? If so, you disagree with me? My main point on Shapelog was not his AFK'ness. That was only a minor component
Maybe I'm blinded, but I put my estimate of shape being mafia at like 10% at the moment. If he comes back and makes a fool of himself, then well OK.
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The reason why I don't care too much for the argument about shape right now is that this was at a time where nothing was certain, and people are jumping on him for "giving wiggle room on a read".
TT and NU jumped on a post that I had that was similarly wishy-washy, and shape's was even earlier in the game than that. Nothing became at all clear to me until later in the game where NU was was making arguments against sl. Something to think about as well.
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On December 02 2016 10:27 sicklucker wrote:
even darth knows how bad he looks and begs for a cop check. which may or may not make him the godfather
Yeah this doesn't really serve any purpose right meow, except for shitting up the thread.
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8. Checkm8
3. Shapelog
4. Onegu
1. Rels
12. Tictock
6. darthfoley
One of these people right now. Hard time deciding the order, but something like this.
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TT arguably also a tier below the other 4.
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On December 02 2016 10:38 darthfoley wrote:
Nope. I would've Nk'd Holyflare for specific reasons.
Which are? I don't believe that you mentioned this earlier.
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On December 02 2016 10:43 emperorchampion wrote:
TT arguably also a tier below the other 4.
Maybe not because I'm not sure I fully believe his defense:
On December 01 2016 11:49 Tictock wrote:
In regards to Emp's case on me. I just don't think like that at all, just because I think someone is town doesn't mean they have good reads. I also have no issue voting with someone I think is mafia because I can be wrong just as easily as anyone else. D1 is an especially bad time to try and use that kind of thinking imo kus there are too many moving pieces and reads can change so easily. I'm also not the type to sheep people, I will vote who I think is mafia even if it means I'm throwing my vote away (though I have gotten a bit better about consolidating).
As well it disregarded some of the other inconsistencies that I found. Also saying MvM between NU and I --- I still get the feeling that he knew that NU was gonna flip red.
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@ shape: let me know where you're at in this game right now (reads etc.) please!
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For what it's worth, I've been at the same place as sl a few times this game, and I think our results have been OK so far. So I have a pretty good feeling about sl at the moment. Lynching him for a potential team bus seems like a stretch at this point.
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On December 02 2016 16:11 Shapelog wrote:Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind that I am with Cm8 in the mafia teams btw? Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 16:03 emperorchampion wrote:
@ shape: let me know where you're at in this game right now (reads etc.) please! I've caught up in the snese of reading the thread. Later today (2 am rn) I will have a read list. I've gone through check8 filter (to try and understand shape + ch8 team idea) NU Filter (see last post) and half of Koshi filter. I've skimed Darth and LS filter as well.
Yeah same lateness here  OK cool cool
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On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi.
These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest.
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On December 02 2016 16:29 Shapelog wrote:
Talk to me Ec.
Ask me questions that I might have the answer to. Too tired to filter. Too awake to sleep.
Just want some initial read list nothing fleshed out.
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On December 02 2016 16:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 16:22 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest. I don't see how it's silly in the slightest. The dude is the only one in the game to notice I claimed blue. I'm not dead. To add to why I already thought he was town this is just gravy. Where's the problem?
Ya OK let's be friends.
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On December 02 2016 16:36 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 16:22 emperorchampion wrote:On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote:
Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest. Don't think this applies to my case. HF blue claimed like 5 times and I spotted it instantly. He would've been my NK 1000%. Surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this trend. (i'm aware it's wifom) Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 19:06 Holyflare wrote:
Mafia gotta kill me. Dis gonna be good. Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 00:23 Holyflare wrote:
Mafia have to shoot me. It's super obvious what I am. Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 05:02 Holyflare wrote:
You should all be town reading me. Dunno why I'm not top, pretty obvious what I am. Killing HF is a good medic dodge cuz people were sus of him and he claimed blue. I know it's WIFOM but why wouldn't you take the chance as mafia?
I mean it is what it is, but to me it's a bit too wifomy to be convincing. I'll just leave it at that.
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