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That sucks, but technically it didn't actually waste a lynch with both of them flipping town since we would have needed to use a lynch on CM8 sooner or later.
I'm not really onboard with knee jerk lynching SL after that. I have a hard time seeing him playing out the day the way he did as mafia. I suppose it's not impossible but doesn't make a lot of sense.
Kinda more inclined to lynch Onegu because he basically just laid back and let things happen. Plus comparing the filter dives I did of SL and Onegu I found Onegu more suspect.
The silver lining here is that I get to start tinfoiling who might be mafia outside my PoE list now that we have two of the bigger question marks flipped.
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On December 04 2016 07:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2016 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
Guys that aren't Margaret. Is it possible Mabinogi is mafia? This was actually seriously starting to go through my head tbh
It is also not impossible for HF to be mafia here.
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Humm Emp and Gell voting off by themselves is interesting. Possibly mafia not wanting to be part of a town lynch?
I mean I saw their reasoning for putting their votes where they did, but it still feels odd.
Meh I think I'm going out tonight. I'll relook at things tomorrow with fresh eyes.
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Ehh just skimmed kus I saw people talking about a claim. I doubt SL is the JK since he put so much stock into Shape's claim having meaning. I feel like if he were blue he would be more paranoid about other people claiming blue.
Idk, I'll think about it more when I have time.
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Crap, overslept and I've got an early family dinner to go to here pretty soon.
Prob my only post till Day so just giving some feels based reads really fast.
Onegu - Biggest question mark in the game since he hasn't played since D1 and as my filter dive showed he had pretty flimsy content.
Emp - feels like he has dropped off super hard since getting largely townread off NU's flip. I really dislike his vote on CM8 yesterday too as I can't think of any good reasons for doing that as Town and he really had nothing to add yesturday. Since I still feel like his stuff with NU was possibly MvM and his play last cycle matches really well with a mafia mindset he is back to being heavily sus in my mind.
HF- I hate his flippant read on me, and the way he started to throw around targets after EoD feels opportunistic to me. He reminds me a ton of the last time I saw him as mafia, a backseat driver of the game, throwing out blame after a town lynch, tunnely reads. I'm rethinking his approach to EoD1 as well, his vote made the NU wagon weaker yet he kept telling people to vote NU. Kinda feels like a possible cleaver mafia play where he made it easier for an alternate lynch to maybe happen while still getting some cred for NU's flip since he told ppl to vote him.
Rels- Still feels pretty transparent to me. I'd expect scum!Rels to mak making more cases and posts like the NU spew one. He's the player I have the most experience with here and he's not making me nervous. More than likely is town.
Mahrgell- Pretty damded towny. I doubt mafia puts in the effort he did last phase when there are such easy targets like Shape around. Just feels like the same guy from last game. Never lynching, in the very odd chance he is scum he has earned the win imo.
Darth- See my last filter dive. It's possible he is scum but it feels super unlikely to me. His EoD and Night1 are also too unlikely to come from self aware mafia imo.
So yea I'm starting to toy with a HF/Emp team here as their play overall just matches mafia motivations too well. Onegu is a question mark that I don't know what to do with, but his play doesn't feel like it is coming from mafia.
#yologutreads
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On December 05 2016 05:55 Holyflare wrote:
I hate his flippant read so I'll be flippant!
My read is far from your "I usually want to lynch TT, but here I don't, so I do"
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On December 05 2016 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:
GG!
GG man.
Sorry I kinda forgot you were in the game.
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Can I make a suggestion?
Can we actually not discuss any claims today?
I'd really like that.
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On December 05 2016 07:07 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote:
Can I make a suggestion?
Can we actually not discuss any claims today?
I'd really like that. Same thought as mine?
More like totally ignore both claims, but yea basically.
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On December 05 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 07:19 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 07:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I think we leave Rels/sl since having the jk alive is pretty good, mafia has to target them at some point. If we can find the partner then the game is actually 100% over. That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over If you are JK and not Scum, you are dead next night. Or he can be town and trying to eat a shot... there are other options... its wifom and we should figure it out later...
Exactly it's all a pile of WIFOM that is best just left aside for now.
I'm more interested in hearing why you think I'm scum now.
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On December 05 2016 07:43 Holyflare wrote:
Rels you know mafia can change their actions in the resultion period right?
Tell me. Are you keeping this cc legitimately or are you going to rescind it? This is a 100% legitimate question because my next move is not a joke.
Says the guy who hinted at being blue all N1.
This is why I'm thinking Emp/HF kus look at how fast these guys are to push one of these claims comes from mafia.
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It is going be be pretty funny when we realize this is actually a game with no JK.
I also agree with Darth that LS kill makes sense, nobody thought he was mafia and it keeps the game at maximum WIFOM levels.
@HF is your vote purely because of SL claiming and not dying?
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Emp what makes HF confirmed town for you?
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On December 05 2016 07:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Unless I'm off base with darth/mahrgell this game is really down to Onegu v TT. If Onegu can make a convincing case, then this game could be in a very very good position.
Good to know my life is in Onegu's hands.
Better be a good case if I'm gunna get hanged for it.
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On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2016 07:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I think we leave Rels/sl since having the jk alive is pretty good, mafia has to target them at some point. If we can find the partner then the game is actually 100% over. That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over
Wait I missed this. Rels can you clarify what you meant by this?
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Ok I apparently did not read the game properly while I was out. I missed some posts from Rels and need to reread some stuff.
@Emp
Assuming he was JK'd it doesn't really prove anything about his alignment.
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On December 05 2016 20:18 mahrgell wrote:
Hm... but continueing my thought on the JK...
If we assume
Rels: Scum or JK
SL: VT or Scum
Then as long as there is no CC for Doc/JK... Rels has to be the JK here. So I'm inclined to follow the call for a CC, if there is any...
I'm just not so sure how this automatically makes SL scum and I'm having kinda bad feelings about the amount of players pushing this idea here. If there is something concerning about SL, it is everything but his JK claim...
Holy shit this game suddenly jumped in activity.
This post mimics my own thoughts too well. I didn't catch that Rels was legit claiming JK I had been under the impression that he had been throwing WIFOM out. Yea he is the legit JK if there is no CC.
I totally agree about SL here too. What scum motivation is there to fake claim at night?
At best I can only think that it gets the pressure of him for like a phase but then he has so many questions to deal with as well as a CC? Doesn't make any sense as scum. Maybe to try and bait exactly this line of thought? But that feels so flimsy.
I'm more inclined to think SL is frustrated Town who fake claimed to eat a bullet. I thought he was Town before claims started flying anyway.
Also @ Gell
What about my play makes you think I'm just waiting for Onegu to post? Did I just wait around D2 waiting for Shape as well?
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On December 05 2016 20:24 Holyflare wrote:
He's either jk or mafia. Never vt
Yea, town NEVER fake claim.
![[image loading]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/Fjr6v88OPk7U4/giphy.gif)
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On December 06 2016 01:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 00:07 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 20:47 Rels wrote:On December 05 2016 20:29 mahrgell wrote:On December 05 2016 20:20 Rels wrote:
marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town. You are really making me hate you right now. If he is VT, fakeclaiming... Then for sure as hell he will not rescind his claim at day AFTER you claimed. VT fakeclaiming will rescind when there is no CC. But when there is a CC, he basically has to go with it... And somehow hope scum is confused with the number of options. This was basically my reasoning on why I was willing to drop the discussion... But well... yeah, by now even the last scum has probably figured this shit out. You're not thinking logically. You gotta read this: IF SICKLUCKER IS TOWN AND FAKECLAIMING TO DRAW A BULLET HE WILL RESCIND IF HE S COUNTERCLAIMED DURING THE DAY. Why would he not ? Why would he try to get me lynched when he KNOWS I'm the Jailkeeper ? Your reasonning doesn't make any sense When did he try to get you lynched??? Not seeing it. Actually the thread consensus was to leave you both alone. And in this atmosphere, if he believes you are both protown, he should keep his claim for maximum uncertainity on who is the real one. So again, who is not making sense here? He didnt rescind his claim when he quoted my claim -> he is putting town in a claim ear situation for no reason + I'm also a possible Lynch if people believe he's jk over me. You're the one not making sense. You might have a really defined idea in your head but listen to people who have experience: sicklucker is NOT VT. You can decode he's jk or you can decide I'm jk.
What made you so sure SL was keeping his claim and or pushing you?
I went back and checked, SL made one post after Daypost and it doesn't really mean anything.
I could see SL not even seeing your claim or being like me and missing you sticking to your claim.
I also find it odd that you so readily agreed to Emps post about leaving you and SL alive but now have 180'd on him with only one pretty throwaway post from SL.
I'm not doubting your claim unless an actual CC happens, but right now there is way too much jumping to conclusions when we should use the time we have to work through things more carefully.
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On December 06 2016 01:54 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 01:51 sicklucker wrote:On December 06 2016 01:19 Holyflare wrote:On December 05 2016 20:56 Holyflare wrote:
Only one to claim jk at night is sl. Sl isn't dead. Mafia can't alter kill in silent period. Everyone believed sl, no reason whatsoever for him to be alive.
Sl literally said he tmid and rels caught him out.
Mafia had no reason not to nk sl unless sl is mafia. If SL is vt he claimed fake tmi because....? And then didn't die despite mafia knowing the setup is a jail keeper setup and sl showing tmi. If SL is mafia he knew the setup and TMId and then didn't die because he's mafia. It seemed way more believable if I "slipped" Theres no evidence mafia knows the setup I thought mafia did know the setup...
This isn't a case on me.
Almost everyone has called me mafia today for next to no reason. What did I say at night to be this forgone conclusion in everyone's head?
Gell gave reasons, but somehow he thinks I just sit on my hands and wait for Onegu.
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