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On December 01 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:10 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. ) Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different. I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little. Because that is why we lynched NU. As mafia he can't bring the fire he does as town. Ofc this also shows in the fact he can't get his scumreads lynched. BUT it is blatantly obvious he tried to "sell" the ls and ec scumreads to town. While he didn't try to sell the sl read. It looks possible that he just made something on a scummate that wasn't really that impressive to start with. It was a good out of the box case on a scumbuddy.
Basically we agree that his treatment of SL and EC are quite different. But I think you're wrong deciding which is scummier and wihch is townier.
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On December 01 2016 23:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:11 mahrgell wrote:
@Koshi
so do you think Rels is bad town or does that make him scum?
Not sure where you are going here.
Like you lock SL to be scum, then do you think Rels is desperately trying to defend him here? Or do you just think he is doing terrible "reads"? I don't know. sl is not locked scum at all. It is possible Rels and cm8 are mafia for example. And then this "bad" analysis is because Rels is simply not looking for mafia. I also dislike how he so easily in that analysis disregards or ignores everything else EC did. EC is almost never mafia just based on his posting. Even if NU flipped town I wouldn't call EC mafia. But Rels thinks EC is mafia? Very weak.
The bolded is wrong. I didn't plan to only focus on NU filter, I started to read his filter and started to make a post and finally it took all my time, and more actually. Good thing it's night time.
Also, nothing is bad in my analysis, these are not absolutes tells but I think they are all quite good.
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On December 01 2016 23:19 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even agree with half of them.
His tt read could be anything since nu has seen tt do absolutely 0 things as town and die dunno about his mafia play.
His df read is just sheeping sentiment from other players, could easily be a partner (not likely based on df posts tonight).
Nu was in a shit spot from the start of the day and could have easily bussed sl to try and get out/distance
Pretty sure emp is town from play too, spew means nothing. I'm town I also barely played the game for nu to mention me.
Lack of mentioning doesn't mean partner either for shape (shape probably mafia for other reasons).
To me it looks like you've stretched this really thin to make it fit and forge content because nothing you have said is relevant since it came from a Mafia's filter whose whole gameplan is to misconstrue, mislead and lie. I'm pretty sure I've even coached NU and calix in a qt that bussing is good if you do it lightly and to interact a lot and give partners space after bussing.
Do something not nu filter related since koshi already did all this.
- I do exactly what I want
- I didn't strech anything, I didn't even plan to make this post, I just had the idea after reading his filter
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On December 01 2016 23:32 mahrgell wrote:
About EC I really stand with Koshi.
And it confuses the hell out of me what Rels is arguing here. I should probably stop townreading people for making completely outlandish and weird reads... Soon I'm out of targets if I continue doing that. Unless its the axis of inactivity, shlog+cm8 (would be a shame and a waste of time ^.^)
@Rels
really, can you post some stuff not related to NUs filter... I don't feel like this is getting us anywhere right now.
Are you blind or did you miss the numerous times where I said I used all my time reading NU filter and reacting to it, and more things will have to come out later
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I will have a quick point about it. HF and marhgell in particular, you are very, very annoying to play with, regardless of your alignment. STOP asking me to do things. Marghell you don't know that, HF you do, I'm super active when I have time to play. In particular, calling me "bad town or scum" is making me want to fucking quit.
You don't agree with the things I've said ? Fine. You think I'm scum ? OK. Stop telling me to do things that you prefer me to be doing and stop being calling me bad or scum.
I know it's hypocritical 'cause I tend to do the same but I try to not do it when I catch myself doing it.
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On December 01 2016 23:54 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:51 Rels wrote:
I will have a quick point about it. HF and marhgell in particular, you are very, very annoying to play with, regardless of your alignment. STOP asking me to do things. Marghell you don't know that, HF you do, I'm super active when I have time to play. In particular, calling me "bad town or scum" is making me want to fucking quit.
You don't agree with the things I've said ? Fine. You think I'm scum ? OK. Stop telling me to do things that you prefer me to be doing and stop being calling me bad or scum.
I know it's hypocritical 'cause I tend to do the same but I try to not do it when I catch myself doing it. Okay, I will try. Sorry. Given my own rather emotional reactions to similar instances I can understand you here.
TY, sorry for the rant.
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On December 02 2016 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
Stop being such a little bitch rels wtf. Who cares what we're saying or what alignment we are? Why would you waste what little time you have going over.
A) what Koshi has already done
B) stuff that a confirmed flipped liar has said
It's a colossal waste of time. There are accusations against you, things to respond to, things to solve. Rehashing some dead liars filter does not find mafia, does not do anything other than drain little time you have and make you look worse to two townies that are criticising you.
Players have their own filters. I was your biggest scum read day 1 and all you're concerned about is repetition and not providing any analysis on who mafia is, you haven't even mentioned my name since.
You're bad or scum. p:
Seriously though this is bad:
I'm not refusing to erad other filters, I just started with the flipped scum.
I'm not draining the "little time I have" since I have all evening to play and it's not even day time yet.
Associations with a flipped bad scum is super powerful.
That Koshi did it before is not an argument against me doing it. I concluded things that are the direct opposite to what Koshi believes actually.
I defended myself quickly, if something is still unclear to you ask me, otherwise this is meaningless.
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On December 02 2016 00:15 Koshi wrote:
Maybe mafia needs to shoot Rels.
Please no I'm just getting started with this game
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On December 02 2016 00:21 Holyflare wrote:
I just think it's really really fucking weird that I'm your biggest scum read day 1, NU somehow pops up and you're more concerned about hopping on his wagon instead of pushing your scum read for the day and then the most important thing you think of doing is going through and rehashing a filter instead of pushing me more when all I've done is push you a lot since the end of last day and you keep calling me bad or mafia.
Surely, and like you've mentioned earlier when I called out margarita pizza, you'd be more hellbent on calling me scum and pushing me if you were town?
You were my biggest scumread mid D1. At EOD1 NU was.
On December 02 2016 00:23 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 23:48 Rels wrote:On December 01 2016 23:32 mahrgell wrote:
About EC I really stand with Koshi.
And it confuses the hell out of me what Rels is arguing here. I should probably stop townreading people for making completely outlandish and weird reads... Soon I'm out of targets if I continue doing that. Unless its the axis of inactivity, shlog+cm8 (would be a shame and a waste of time ^.^)
@Rels
really, can you post some stuff not related to NUs filter... I don't feel like this is getting us anywhere right now. Are you blind or did you miss the numerous times where I said I used all my time reading NU filter and reacting to it, and more things will have to come out later Used all my time. "I didn't use all my time" Can you see why I keep calling out your contradictions? It's just everything you say.
Like you, I don't have time to read filters since I'm working at the smae time, but I'm reading along and taking a few minutes to answer if I see something I wanna react to.
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On December 02 2016 00:25 Holyflare wrote:
Rels I'll make a deal with you. I will treat you like confirmed town and I would like you to do the same with me, just for this cycle or whatever.
We'll try and look at the game from this perspective and if it doesn't fit we can see what happens ok? I don't wanna get into pedantic arguments anymore.
Sure.
I mean, talk about other stuff and I'll respond to it if I have things to say. You're not gonna become confirmed town in my mind if I don't think you are.
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LS:
1 - I don't believe this proves anything. Shape has shown liking to write stupid stuff and doing stupid things as either alignment, especially during early game. I can see him writing these posts as town or scum just for fun if he's town, or WIFOMing the setup if he's scum.
2 - That sounds more promising. What promises did he break ?
3 - Yep 100% agree.
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On December 02 2016 00:46 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 00:41 Rels wrote:
LS:
1 - I don't believe this proves anything. Shape has shown liking to write stupid stuff and doing stupid things as either alignment, especially during early game. I can see him writing these posts as town or scum just for fun if he's town, or WIFOMing the setup if he's scum.
2 - That sounds more promising. What promises did he break ?
3 - Yep 100% agree. Promises he broke: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:30 Shapelog wrote:
Urg. Not being able to play yesterday messed me up.
Got my busier schedule today. When I get time, i'll filter.
I thought of something about SL last night however. I'm not terribly sure about it yet, and honestly, the evidence to support it is very very very bad. But in a previous mafia game (can't remember the name), I fake claimed mafia early into the game (was town). Scum!SL jumped on it, and pushed the fact that I could (due to my "eccrtice" past) be doing that as mafia to look fearless. He used it also to justify tunneling me for the day phase.
Here, SL did not take that liberty. Instead, he just nodded and left it be, while trying to gain info (post about the discussion being bad between me and LS but townie) from what happens around it. He could of jumped on it if he was mafia (especially this time with my claim.) yet didn't.
I know it was one game, but he had a opportunity to push me for it and didn't take it. thoughts (even tho i won't be here in 10 mins :/)? He didn't really try to catch up or didn't show he really did as his last post was this: Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:32 Shapelog wrote:
Also Onegu stole the way I catch up.
Thief! That and the timing on some his promises into do something did happen but later than what he said he was going to do.
That's pretty good actually. It's not definite as something might have happened IRL for example, but I know I do this a lot as scum since it's a hjard task to lie all the time: promise I'll be active at some point, and not doing it when times comes, 'cause it's easier said than done.
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mahrgell you really make me think of me my first games
Last game you played the same style I did in my first game too, very structured posts, everything documented and sourced. We even both got N1 killed
This game you have spend hours filtering everybody to give a fair assesment of the game, which I also did in my second game.
This is pretty cool
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OK I read EC filter and I see what everyone else seems to think already. I don't see him and NU being partner. Attacking from the start + then naturally townreading him + then attacking him again for his bad post on C8 is a pretty strong not-partner indicator.
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shit I also think HF is town
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A big thing to use when trapping scum!HF is seeing if he tries to destroy people with pretty arguments or not. And I had this impression that he was burrying me over exactly that each time I tried to post, wasting the little time I had. But reading his filter with a calm mind he's always replying more or less logically to something.
And now I really found his "LS might be scum" post townie. I disagree with it, but it was a new thought out of nowhere which can make sense.
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On December 02 2016 04:47 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2016 04:41 Rels wrote:
A big thing to use when trapping scum!HF is seeing if he tries to destroy people with pretty arguments or not. And I had this impression that he was burrying me over exactly that each time I tried to post, wasting the little time I had. But reading his filter with a calm mind he's always replying more or less logically to something.
And now I really found his "LS might be scum" post townie. I disagree with it, but it was a new thought out of nowhere which can make sense. Apologies if I missed it, where's your head right now with the 2 mafia? Still the spew posts from a few pages back?
Shape for sure. Then I dunno, C8 maybe, but I'm pretty lost.
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On November 30 2016 07:47 darthfoley wrote:Don't agree with Koshi's TR on Checkm8. He's pulled the "im a newb" thing at least twice, and he has only mentioned like one "gut" read. He's scummier than town for now, although I don't think he's at the top of my list atm. Being a first time player is a bit intimidating from either alignment Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:
This is pretty standard Early game for me, idk what you all are talking about.
I dare you to meta me. I mean I literally just played a game with you where you were town and you didn't play D1 like this at all. You were aggressive and went after people, asked many more questions, and seemed perfectly invested in the game-- all while there was pressure on you. So unless you've lost the mafia passion after doing really well last game individually/winning as a town within the last two weeks, your excuse is a little hard to buy. You did ask about me and EC, but it seemed half assed. TT is in my scum lean pile Also not a fan of HF so far. He's kind of a being a dick which is NAI(?) but annoying. Especially after playing a game with NU and Calix. I made similar points against mahrgell last game but I was wrong, and he's playing very similar to that game-- though mahrgell is being a little over combative. HF has spent 80% of his filter grilling one dude and I don't see the point from a town perspective, especially as a uber veteran of TL mafia. If someone can make a post explaining why he/she thinks LS is town for reasons other than BS meta claims I'd love to hear it. I got burned last time people simply accepted a meta town read of LS so I want to hear something real.
I do think the dynamic between LS/NU/EC is a bit interesting (LS claiming that EC vs. NU is MvT). Not sure where I stand on that yet besides that i'm town reading NU and i'm up in the air between the other two.
Mahrgell/Koshi/Shape and probably Rels are on my town pile for now.
DF why did you not include NU in your town list if you were townreading him ?
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DF can you explain your LS read please ?
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On December 02 2016 04:54 mahrgell wrote:I just don't like this guyHF - His number of posts does not really change his lack of real activity. Has been on 2 tunnels so far and openly celebrates his unwillingness to look deeper at other players or do anything besides tunneling. Oh and if I would be undecided between him and anyone else I would policy lynch him for this alone. This followup makes me actually feel very bad about him. Exchanging "i'm not being a dick and wont try to make you uncomfortable" for "don't scumread me" is quite pathetic. Additionally him claiming himself to be toptown (have I mentioned I hate that?) without basically anything speaking for that feels almost like baiting for protection. I don't see a world where scum would lynch him.
hahaha =D
The links you posted are NAI for HF, he can be super annoying as either alignment.
The first things you're saying are the best actually. He COULD be scum playing the "I don't really care about this game" card but I don't think so anymore, because his reads flow and change logically, and more importantly, I don't have the feeling that he's hiding behind tunnels to not do anything else.
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