EPTOn November 30 2016 02:41 Holyflare wrote:
I'm gonna throw out some big time knowledge here.
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I'm gonna throw out some big time knowledge here.
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Koshi might be mafia.
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On November 30 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote: Is NU a newer player? Seems to not handle the pressure well at all. Could be angry town vibes? One thing I registered: don't recall who Koshi called out for "being rude / not talking well to other townies", no mention of NU though. Guys an ass right now. These two things could be something, but I'm not sure it's the right direction at the moment. Let's keep it going y'all! No, but he normally acts like this and has been criticized for it. On November 30 2016 03:41 emperorchampion wrote: LS / NU / mahrgell will sort out later I think, but are town for now  Wait what? | ||
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On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote: Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? You said LS is setting up (as in, trying to paint) one of you and EC to be scum, which implies you think he is scum (as town would not set up that kinda of stuff). Yet, you had him in a list of town, and now saying he is most likely town. | ||
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On November 30 2016 04:24 emperorchampion wrote: I do believe that I explain it in the post you quoted. I think he's good to leave for now. Ok, my problem is your read progression and understanding it. Why do you think he is now misguided town considering how you were against him before? | ||
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Got my busier schedule today. When I get time, i'll filter. I thought of something about SL last night however. I'm not terribly sure about it yet, and honestly, the evidence to support it is very very very bad. But in a previous mafia game (can't remember the name), I fake claimed mafia early into the game (was town). Scum!SL jumped on it, and pushed the fact that I could (due to my "eccrtice" past) be doing that as mafia to look fearless. He used it also to justify tunneling me for the day phase. Here, SL did not take that liberty. Instead, he just nodded and left it be, while trying to gain info (post about the discussion being bad between me and LS but townie) from what happens around it. He could of jumped on it if he was mafia (especially this time with my claim.) yet didn't. I know it was one game, but he had a opportunity to push me for it and didn't take it. thoughts (even tho i won't be here in 10 mins :/)? | ||
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"Well my joke vote never was counted, oh well 1" game ban. Anyways, I have to finish this god damm paper and be back later to actually play this game. Feel free to take out the frustration out on my stunt devil in the mean time. -Shape" | ||
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Nothing ever good comes out of that and you should know it TT (98% mafia nut.) | ||
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I'm illiterately stopping myself from typing a I do it later post. | ||
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On December 02 2016 13:33 Tictock wrote: Also what's with this google doc business when you haven't managed to post in 24 hours? I wrote my defense/beginning of reads in google doc because I been getting on and off the computer and TL is too poor to have a save post function. And I am about to pass out from being tired. All of which you should of gotten from that post. | ||
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On December 02 2016 13:34 Tictock wrote: You failed when you hit post on this one. I am going to say it very clearly, and this goes for everyone. If your going to just ignore half of what I say in my posts. Then just tell me so I can focus on catching scum and not defending myself. There is nothing more I hate as town then when I try to actually be helpful and people just roll their eyes at me. It's been bothering me for a while. True, I sometimes don't "act" the ways to get that all the time. But I do expect when I do to be taken seriously and analzyed correctly. I'm sorry I had to prioritize my real life shit over this game. But life is life. This isn't. So if you going to as I said. Not read my posts seriosly, or with such a bias that you don' fully analzye what I have to say. Just tell me. I keep shut till the last hour and start posting my reads, scum list, and anything else worth sharing. For which u will have to look at without bias, without ingnoring me, because I would of had just flipped town. | ||
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Tomorrow I will have a read list. If I don't, lynch me (though I feel like I do not have to tell you that in that case). | ||
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On November 29 2016 12:39 Shapelog wrote: I also have a fetish for scum reads against me as town. Don't ask....just don't.... Before you read this, make sure to read the last post I posted before I posted this. I address LS/TT/Darths points on me as they were the major ones. Simple as that. I am more than happy to answer any individual questions as well. Also had to rewrite this. Darth’s Points On December 01 2016 08:55 darthfoley wrote: If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag? There are so many contradictions and outs he gives himself. Given the amount of times he claims something to be in his town meta, he doesn't earn his final read of null/slight scum Expect he did. Look through it with my eyes/mind. NU is hard for me to analyze on his tone (something I don’t excel at imo) because of how he behaves normally. He is over the top, loud, etc (proof can be found in previous games + warning he got from the last newbie). On top of that, I only played 1 game with NU when he was scum, and I was inactive/modkilled for inactivity (Cp broke) and didn’t pay attention to how he played. Moreover, I’ve gotten onto him and incorrectly read him as scum for his tone when he was town. Meaning I knew I had to take that into account in the read. AND Furthermore, I always try to consider both sides of the coin, especially early on. Hell, Koshi earlier in the game pointed it out (wishy washiness) as something I do every game. I personally need to discuss things like that (grey areas) in order to get/lead into a solid read. I will admit, i never was/did follow up as promised. But I did try talking to EC about him shortly after I saw his posts. It's like if I was to tell you to write a paper about the Pros and cons of….lets say Orap. However, I keep telling you while you write it all the cons of it. This causes a Grey area, since now you cannot type Pros without thinking of the cons, constantly flipping back and forth from side to side. Eh, That prob doesn’t make sense. W/e. There is also the whole “BUS BUS BUS! I WILL BUS YOU! I AM BUS MAN! I BUS TEAM! RWARRR ROM ROM!” meta I have as scum. But that is WIFOM in this conversation on rather or not I would bus NU at the point as scum. Hence why I’m not going to open that can of worms. Ticktock: On December 01 2016 12:22 Tictock wrote: Speaking of Shape, I'm wondering what happened to the guy. He dropped a weird read on SL and claimed to be catching up then *poof* His post about NU looks superbad after NU flipping, and he had to be pressured multiple times before he even made the read in the first place. Twice after the post Darth just quoted (and I mentioned before) he kinda just shrugs off reading NU and even lightly defends him in a post, saying "NU always acts like this". Please quote this. Because I was not pressured making the NU read. On November 29 2016 12:16 Shapelog wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NWFDC1q.gif) Maybe I should work on NU, TT, and reread Marg posts sense people are town leaning him. On November 29 2016 12:19 Shapelog wrote: Maybe...Maybe I need to lead town!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh god! I haven't lead town since...Since um...That one time I was scum! Oh shit. I never have lead town before AS town. Yeah, working thru NU/TT/reMarg sounds easier. I then Do TT read On November 29 2016 12:30 Shapelog wrote: Eh TT is null. Reading through it seemed like he did more than he actually did. Not trying to discredit him or anything, but just felt like he did more than what he actually did. If he didn't elect to sideline the majority of the Onegu vs Koshi discussion I might just put him as a light town read since the rest of his posts are decent. Then On November 29 2016 12:41 Shapelog wrote: I was like you once, I took a noose to the neck in Noir 4 mafia. NU time (see I am a helpful sadistic, trolley, bitchy, whining, bastard) Then the only quote that really could be 'quote on quote' pressuring me pops up. On November 29 2016 12:49 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so thoughts mah since I don't recall you talking about him since you said you were looking into him? On November 29 2016 12:51 Shapelog wrote: You mean NU? I didn't have thoughts on him. Mah I came to as null, but rereading due to others town-leaning him. I coached him in his newbie game, so I have a grasp of how he plays. On November 29 2016 12:54 LightningStrike wrote: Also noted when you do read NU please tell me your thoughts on him? On November 29 2016 12:56 Shapelog wrote: Yeah I'm reading him now actually rofl. Give me 5-30 mins. Thats it. Read comes out shortly after. Again, if I got the wrong post let me know. Rest of the answers are scatter about this read because I cannot be arse to repeat myself. On December 02 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote: Well I didn't think I would do this but I will expand on the case on Shapelog that Koshi and others did: 1. Potental TMI: So here was Shapelog's opening: This rather curious as we now know there is a Framer flipped which narrowed us down to set 1, 2, or 3 which all had a Framer but the fact now that I think about it Shapelog either tried to force a Cop claim Day 1 with his opening or is the real cop but here the jucy part I did ask him about his Cop claim here: His response to it: This gave further information if he flips that the set up was set up 1 which was Cop Doctor vs RB Framer and goon. Point 2: Meta Shapelog as scum fails to go on his promises as shown here in Tortoise Mafia and Storm Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/505463-tl-mafia-lxxiv-storm-mafia-3?user=Shapelog http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/507600-cap-tortoise-mafia?user=Shapelog Yes Shapelog claimed about not being able to play for some time of this game affected him but however as town I would think he would still fullfill what promises he made this game. 3rd Point: Koshi's and others point about NU and Shapelog potential partners What Koshi and others had said Shapelog and NU never really interacted with each other directly which could be a part of distancing themselves from each other due to how bad NU was looking throughout the game in other people's eyes. TLDR: 1. Potentially TMI'd the setup early 2. Meta says scum 3. Koshi's and other's point. 1) For point one to be true, a lot of things need to happen. Lets say I am scum trying to draw out the cop claim. Why do I stop shortly after the claim and discredit my claim (by saying i could be mafia etc.) to where the real cop (which I would known to existed since we would the framer) doesn't have to CC my claim. This ruins my plan of drawing out the real cop, and makes me the center of attention due to the claim. Also, if my plan was to get the real cop to claim. What is our plan to get passed a save? Oh I get it! We become magical ghost and scare them to death! Maybe have the framer claim doctor, so RB knows who to target? This plan also only makes sense if I am goon as well. I cannot be any other role, as they are cirtical to sucuess. Finally, I have to somehow be dumb enough to as scum to literary GIVE YOU THE SET UP! And I make sure I cover my arse as scum vs town where I don't give a shit. Then all in all, what does that get the scum team? The cop? The role that we can blue hunt (which I am good at)/Rb/Frame influence without putting our selves in danger? Maybe, if we play our cards right and cop checks me. We get a semi confirm town for me. The way I handle the claim does not support your idea of me having TMI and having a plan. Not only that, but that said plan was a high risk, low reward plan. Delicately, not my type of plan as scum (high risk high reward.) 2)Next quote we get more into this point about promises. 3) I didn't have interactions with him, I won't lie. I have nothing to say in that regard. About distancing, well....You know how I distance (Room room) as scum, but again. I will admit I don't know if I was scum if i would bus him at that time. On December 02 2016 00:46 LightningStrike wrote: Promises he broke: He didn't really try to catch up or didn't show he really did as his last post was this: That and the timing on some his promises into do something did happen but later than what he said he was going to do. Read the last post. Got my busier schedule today. When I get time, i'll filter. know it was one game, but he had a opportunity to push me for it and didn't take it. thoughts (even tho i won't be here in 10 mins :/)? I doubt 10 mins is enough in your mind to catch up. My plan was after class to catch up, but other things took my time. I will admit tho, I never reread Marh (went to bed) nor updated NU read this game. I also will not lie that promises keeping doesn't happen as scum. It has however, also crept into my town play. Just usually I get around to doing most of it as town vs scum that often I just wait for it to blow over. | ||
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Idk what to make of it from a associative stand point. From just eyeballing it, I feel like those whose reads changed littled for him are more likely to be mafia. For example, If EC was his partner lets say. He had a town read on him that then went the most nickpickest tunnel scum read I've have ever seen. I have to double check, but this started before the NU wagon was heavily pushed (however the worse of it is after the start.) Eh, I consider it tomorrow. Which is this morning. | ||
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