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On December 01 2016 06:39 mahrgell wrote:Well... I can understand you not wanting to argue with HF... I had my own experiences with that. -.- At the same time I would still like how your read progression on me went from http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26205962 onwards. - You called me out for wrong meta. - called me out again, and added the point about my expectations on HF - noticed that my expectations on HF were of a wrong premise, so dropped that - summarized that I was null (at least I did not show up as town or scumlean there) Why you dropped the point about my meta being wrong?
Because your posts after I called you out were more logical so I wanted to see more on you. I'm pretty sure you're town now.
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On December 01 2016 06:44 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 06:35 Koshi wrote:On December 01 2016 06:33 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 06:30 Koshi wrote:
What Rels is doing makes no sense in mafia POV.
Either NU is mafia and he gets himself lynched.
Either NU is town and he gets himself lynched.
Like it's not like he tries to divert to lynch onto somebody else in a sneaky way or something. Or put shit on somebody based on preflip association with NU. This is the point I'm at. My problem is, that his posts also don't make any sense from town pov. Like it feels completely random. Hmm. I am not currently with my head 100% in the game but is he not just catching up? He said something, people got offended, and that's it? Was he pushing an agenda? I don't think so. Uhm, no I don't think he was pushing an agenda. Then again, I'm not feeling agendas with anyone yet. Like my udgement on NU is also based on his lack of town play. And I simply can't stand those "Look, I can't be scum" posts. And this one was completely uncalled for. Like I can never, and I really mean NEVER envision myself posting some read... And then firing another post behind telling everyone how this last post just btw obv makes me town. What makes me so confused though is, that as scum I would probably do posts, and afterwards think about that post made me look... But even as scum I wouldn't post it. Like... no.
What you need to understand to stop being fucking annoying is that it was an ANSWER to what HF was saying.
He was saying something I did was scummy. I said no, in contrary it pointed at me being town.
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I just realize I just now calmed down from all the shit that was thrown at me.
Koshi is right. When I have no time to play I should stop trying to be there for the last hours. Every time people thinks it's suspicious and I have no power to influence anything
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NOW FOR THE FLIP
SCUM PRETTY PLEASE
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yo I'm at work! Can't catch up before lunch break though (=
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lol a big post about me (=
It's a bad post. Most of it is a shitty narrative that explains all my actions in the case I'm scum. Since I'm not it's worthless.
To answer your question: I didn't push for HF over NU because I thought NU was a more likey scum than HF.
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To bounce on your SL thought: sicklucker usually doesn't bus. I can't remember why or when he voted NU but what you're saying makes sense, him being the second on the NU wagon and not doing shit might be a towntell. Will have to reread how it happened exactly.
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On December 01 2016 07:39 Koshi wrote:
TT isn't. He could be anything. NU only touched him a little bit and it was very prudent. I can see them being buddies.
I really disagree. His disappointment at TT reeked of TMI. If TT is scum NU would expect him to be different from last game.
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On December 01 2016 08:27 darthfoley wrote:
1. have the cop check me
2. i come back as town
3. profit?!?!
OK considering there is a GF possibility this seems super genuine. Scum would be way more careful about saying stuff like that ?
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On December 01 2016 08:47 darthfoley wrote:Just checked Shapelog's filter and there very little analysis of NU. The most he gave was a neutral/slight scum read Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:05 mahrgell wrote:
@shlog
Just noticed your vote is still on Onegu. But this was some jokevote iirc.
Seeing you asking a lot of questions (which I like), but if deadline was close now, who would you vote?
You called Koshi@TT not a bad case, so would you support that? Also saw some mistrust towards CM8 from you. Or would it be someone else? It was a joke vote. Tbh, no one is in the realm lynch with fire. I haven't really gone through everything how I want to yet. For example, I've read NU's posts in the last few pages, but haven't honestly updated my read yet (due to being at school) that I had before. Given what TT posted, I wouldn't mind lynching him. Like I said, Koshi shows some mafia mindset that he founded in TT's first few posts. Moreover, I think TT not wanting to be a part in the Onegu Vs Koshi fight is sus. as well. Also giving the fact that he was trying to scum read Koshi on matters about it (Koshi tryharding IIRC) is what I picture scum to be doing. So off the top of my head, he would be the first lynch. About CM8. CM8 really doesn't have a lot of stuff with content. I feel like he is playing the newbie card, and wanted him to stop doing so. Tone thing I saw sure. But I really don't have a lot to go off on him about. Hopeing my question gets info out of him. Maybe a policy lynch. SL is PL mostly bc I've seen him actually do stuff around this time. Rels is afk so also a PL. Rest are either town or i'm thinking of atm. To remind you of that read... Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 02:32 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:05 mahrgell wrote:
@shlog
Just noticed your vote is still on Onegu. But this was some jokevote iirc.
Seeing you asking a lot of questions (which I like), but if deadline was close now, who would you vote?
You called Koshi@TT not a bad case, so would you support that? Also saw some mistrust towards CM8 from you. Or would it be someone else? It was a joke vote. Tbh, no one is in the realm lynch with fire. I haven't really gone through everything how I want to yet. For example, I've read NU's posts in the last few pages, but haven't honestly updated my read yet (due to being at school) that I had before. Given what TT posted, I wouldn't mind lynching him. Like I said, Koshi shows some mafia mindset that he founded in TT's first few posts. Moreover, I think TT not wanting to be a part in the Onegu Vs Koshi fight is sus. as well. Also giving the fact that he was trying to scum read Koshi on matters about it (Koshi tryharding IIRC) is what I picture scum to be doing. So off the top of my head, he would be the first lynch. About CM8. CM8 really doesn't have a lot of stuff with content. I feel like he is playing the newbie card, and wanted him to stop doing so. Tone thing I saw sure. But I really don't have a lot to go off on him about. Hopeing my question gets info out of him. Maybe a policy lynch. SL is PL mostly bc I've seen him actually do stuff around this time. Rels is afk so also a PL. Rest are either town or i'm thinking of atm. If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag?
On December 01 2016 08:54 Koshi wrote:Ok I read Shape his post. Hmm. Yeah he and Onegu can swap places on my list. Especially Shape his answer on EC his post was off. It didn't increase the pressure on NU at all, almost tries to take it away by talking about people that aren't NU. Which is odd seeing he starts the post with congratulating EC on making a post on NU. + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 13:37 Shapelog wrote:Oh my Canadian friend, you posted about the right thing. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. I get 1, and I think we both came to that conclusion. Can you explain 2) a bit more? Personally, I can understand the point he made, and it didn't feel like he was painting in. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:03 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up? Bam this was me as scum doing that sort of thing Onegu did the quote you townread him for. Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Flagged this post as well. 1) Activity will happen whether or not mafia wants it to, therefore it's null imo. 2) LS doing this "Hey town read me for this thing you town read someone else for" reminds me of things that I've said when I'm scum. Suspicious! 1) He's talking about Onegu wanting more activity to happen and trying to cause more to happen. It was the "where is everyone" post. Personally opionons aside, do you think he could come to this conclusion based off his reasoning? 2) What do you make about my earlier post about LS tone?
On December 01 2016 08:55 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:31 Shapelog wrote:There really isn't a lot from his filter that made me feel either way (unsurprisingly, is early game after all). On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang On November 29 2016 08:23 Onegu wrote:
Where is everyone? On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Typically, I would say this post's tone is most likely coming from a scum than a townie. Mostly due to how close minded it is. And how it gives a very strong opinion in such a early part of the game (ex. That looks forced. at the end). Problem is, its NU. Tonally, he is capable of this as town. I still think he stressed out his point a bit given the time at which the post came out. But I am considering that it might just be his normal tone coming out here.Otherwise, his point is a valid one. On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up? Bam this was me as scum doing that sort of thing Onegu did the quote you townread him for. Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Here I kinda lose him. At first, I thought he founded tonal issues that I founded as well with LS. But in truth, he's talking about the excuse from LS about why he wasn't here. It is different from Onegu's post yes, that we can see clearly. But he is overstressing the "nicey nice" part of the excuse LS made (I use excuse as in why he wasn't here). Personally, nothing is wrong with that post from LS imo. Its just a "hey sorry was busy and now I am here" post made to reconnect to the thread. His reasoning on why Onegu post is different, and why he thinks it is townie is fine however.
Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook. If that "read" doesn't give you 13 ways to wiggle out of committing to a read, I don't know what does. How many times do you have to say "this is scummy but it's also in his townie meta!" in one post before you get a finger wag? There are so many contradictions and outs he gives himself. Given the amount of times he claims something to be in his town meta, he doesn't earn his final read of null/slight scum ^EBWOP^
I really like those posts on Shape. This NU scumread is super long and weak at the same time.
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On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang
Koshi was this the spew you called weak ? I think it makes Onegu super super likely town
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NU is a spew robot LOL. This game is over
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We're sorry, but the post you're trying to make is over 100000 characters long. No one wants to read that much text! If you think you have a valid reason for wanting to make a post this big, bring this issue up in the Website Feedback forum. (Note: if you're doing a copy/paste from somewhere else, just summarize and link to the original source.)
LOL
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DO YOU NOT WANT TO READ THAT MUCH TEXT
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The great NU spew post: Part 1 (GARANTED LESS THAN 100000 CHARACTERS)
All of these are indications of alignement for players in the game based on NU filter.
Town spew
Onegu - Scum just don't call your partner the "towniest dude" in their second post. Especially bad scum like NU
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 09:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. How so? I recognize myself in his all-over-the-place posts, and he's the townierest dude itt. Also, this is a town post, mang
Tictock - Disappointed in his play but not really pushing him. You gotta remember that in the last game TT was a fucking boss and found all scum super quickly. NU posts about TT are weird if TT is his partner, he wouldn't hesitate to scumread him much harder I think, 'cause he would find the difference in his play scummier that they are. It actually shows two things: (1) the knowledge that TT is town and pretty disappointing and (2) a fear of calling him scum in fear that TT destroys him if he returns for real.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 10:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Tictock feels less interested in the game than usual. :/ At least that's what his filter makes me think.
(Also, he is found twice in the player list on page 1 while Onegu doesn't figure there) On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now.
Maybe town spew
darthfoley Top town in NU first list post without a single line of explanation. Scum usually don't do that.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now.
Koshi / LS / marghell - Lots of interaction, trying to engage conversations, which is hard to fake between partners, espacially for a bad scum. Not gonna quote all the posts 'cause there are a lot, and 'cause these three are also my top three town if you don't take into account NU interactions.
sicklucker - His attack on him around mid-D1 was sudden and weird if he's his partner. Not impossible but I think it's unlikely.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me. On November 30 2016 13:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
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To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?  Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
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Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
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This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:
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My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
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Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
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Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. Not quite as similar as I recalled, but the point of his reaction being that LS is blue is still fucking scummery. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? LS has a bit of a history of claiming blue unnecessarily or way too early, pretty sure that was a jab at that. It's a fairly old meta though. I find this less strange than the people who took Shapes cop claim seriously. SL is one of those people. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 19:18 sicklucker wrote:
shapelogs and ls's interactions were pretty horrible but very town. Also shapelog is obviously the cop and if hes not im going to convince mafia he is so they shot him On December 01 2016 00:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 08:30 sicklucker wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. going after ls the ultimate lynchbait and getting mad about town circles. Then he just backs off it. then he attacks sicklucker on day one for no reason. he can die first so far Like this is why sl scum-reads me. Because ls is a lynchbait (Don't see how, he's town-read by most ppl), me going for him makes me mafia? Also, I never got mad at any town circle. I did "attack" sl for a reason. His filter was filled with shitposts that weren't even funny and now his only contribution is his scum-read on me which as I've pointed out was taken out of his ass. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
also like that other new dude he just throws inactive/lazy people at the bott of his scum list. and completely ignored his acual scum read LS. Hes basicly bullied by koshi into not scum reading ls and randomly scum reads me and ticktock for being lazy 6 hours into a game which is hilarious if you think about it. My scumlist when he posted that thing was tt ??, sl and emp. Rels/HF/DF/Onegu who are also inactive/lasy aren't there and neither is LS. Also, my scum-reads on tt and him were far from random.
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The great NU spew post: Part 2 (GARANTED LESS THAN 100000 CHARACTERS)
Null spew
Checkm8 - Conflicting things here. On one hand, we have a pretty weak attack on checkm8 that he didn't even try to push when pressured about it, and on the contrary gave an out to checkm8, explaining exactly what C8 had to do to deflect it. On the other hand he listed him in a "townlean" category just after that without explanation, which is a weird thing to do if they're partner, and even more since he just dropped his scumlean on him.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 22:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something. Making comparisons between [ToS/SC2ModMafia] and forum mafia is not a thing to do :3 On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. On November 29 2016 23:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:07 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. Cool quotes at first sight but it is completely different to say "hi" at the start of the game, or what I did. I can see how town!Checkm8 makes that distinction. Do you really believe you found something scummy here? My point was that it was a contradiction. On November 29 2016 23:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:08 Koshi wrote:
Also quoting 2 posts and not writing anything under it feels like an opportunistic as fuck mafia play.
"Please make the wrong assumption town"
"Please call me town for finding this contradiction"
Meh. Or... "Explain this contradiction" with the infamous "zzzzzzz" On November 29 2016 23:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote:
Why don't you have an opinion on it?
Again. I ask you. Did you found this contradiction scummy the moment you saw it? Clearly you did, so tell us why. He went from saying that LS was acting friendly to start conversations and that having a scum-read on him based on that (My read isn't even based on that) is shallow to saying that mobsters are usually the ones who act friendly. Following his logic, he would be inclined to think that it could make LS mafia. Plus, he gives me a scummer-read after straw manning my read on LS. I'd like him to explain how he thinks I'm pulling stuff out of my ass (EC too, stating something doesn't make it true zzz), why he scum-reads me, and what the difference between LS acting nice and mafia acting nice in ToS is. On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now. On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me.
Maybe scum spew
emperorchampion - His posts towards EC feel forced to me. Their whole interactions at the beginning of the game definitely were showing EC in a better light than NU if we have to chose one, but I coached EC and encouraged him to engage his partners pretty hard; I know he's capable of it.
The only time where NU going hard on EC doesn't feel fake is during the EOD1, but that's a period where NU is already quite likely the lynch, especially since just after he went into AFK. It's possible he accepted his death at that time and tried his best to get EC some towncred.
+ Show Spoiler +These posts are very civil and fabricated. He never tries to engage EC like he did other people I think are town like Koshi or mahrgell, it's always EC that engages him. On November 29 2016 22:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 12:57 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. I didn't make "something out of nothing". LS' post I quoted summarized the 10 posts that were made before he posted, and that feels forced. He also mentioned that this was his first game in a while, and if you look at the structure of the post re: Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. you'll notice that that part looks like he forcing to include it in his sentence because he draws the intention away from him in the next sentence. Show me how I'm pulling this argument out of my ass. Explain to me how what I've pointed out doesn't stand out. On November 29 2016 22:53 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:03 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:46 LightningStrike wrote:On February 28 2016 03:11 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys I here now I was busy and now I here what up? Bam this was me as scum doing that sort of thing Onegu did the quote you townread him for. Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Flagged this post as well. 1) Activity will happen whether or not mafia wants it to, therefore it's null imo. 2) LS doing this "Hey town read me for this thing you town read someone else for" reminds me of things that I've said when I'm scum. Suspicious! I don't understand either of these two points in context. Perhaps you didn't read the context re: the post I quoted was LS' post in another game where he was mafia. On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. On December 01 2016 01:08 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 01:01 emperorchampion wrote:
ughghg I just don't know about you man. Your case on sl leaves me unconvinced because you are basically suspecting him for troll posts.
I think maybe TT is the top lynch. Thinking about it after his sleep, his big post has sooo many inconsistencies. No, look at my post regarding the timing of the read he made on me. It followed thread sentiment aka it was opportunistic as fuck On December 01 2016 03:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#895 was a great post. emp probably town These posts are more direct but as said above, they are made just before NU went into AFK, and was likely the lynch. They don't mean anything towards EC alignment, it could be NU trying a last effort, or NU giving EC some cred. On December 01 2016 03:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 12:36 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 11:07 Shapelog wrote:On November 29 2016 07:26 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote:
country songs dont count they think their cousin is wife material... How can you believe anything they say?
Whoa there par'ner! Just cause the folk that l'sen to strum of the banjo may be cousins, dun mean that the singers are? Catch ma drift? Racist....and a bit songist Gosh your Canadian, does your national anthem not tell you anything? Hey man, I was defending country music! One "farm for 15min to get a blink dagger that you start with for free in LoL as spell" gu was the one knocking it! I'll post some more serious stuff after this guys I really really don't like this last sentence for some reason. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I asked him to walk me through his read progression on me and he replied with this. How does where I am at in the game change/affect the read progression he has on me? I'd also like an answer to that question I asked @ec. On December 01 2016 04:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote:
EC I seen you made some posts on NU is your conclusion on him so far is that you think he's scum? That what I getting from your posts on him. Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on. He wasn't ready to commit a read on me ESPECIALLY because he suspects LS???????????????? Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 02:55 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote:On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote:
NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. What has made NU town for you now? Also, you think LS is setting up to act like there is mafia between you and NU? For now he seems to understand why he's not mafia, albeit a little rudely, but I'll take it for now. Feels like it yeah. That's how he justifies his town read? How is that even an argument to town-read someone? It's also like he's saying that he tried to reaction-test me to see if I understand if I'm not mafia or something, it's fucking shady. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 03:38 emperorchampion wrote:
@Koshi:
1. Rels
2. Holyflare
4. Onegu
8. Checkm8
11. sicklucker
12. Tictock
Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. All of those who were trolling/inactive are his scum-reads at the time. He can't take a stance on the more active players like his posts on me and this post show: + Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 04:14 emperorchampion wrote:Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? Also, this last sentence sounds like something mafia would ask another mafia but that's pre-flip association. I'm voting EC.
Holyflare - 0 interaction, a very weak townread based on 1 thing and never talking about it again; but on the same time, NU used HF posts or words multiple time to talk about some other things, showing an special attirance to what HF was saying. It COULD be that he knows HF is a great town player and he's using his words each time HF says something that serves his purpose; or it COULD be that he's attracted to HF posts because they're partners. I think the latter is more likely when you take into account that he had 0 interaction with HF, contrary to some other players listed above where he tried to discuss with them.
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 00:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like you just made a wall of text on every player in the game for no real reason and the majority of your scum leans are simply the unproductive ones. It just seems so out of place. Why the need for the summary? ^ On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though.SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now. On November 30 2016 00:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:24 Holyflare wrote:
I don't play at work, you're lucky I'm even posting anything right now and even this is tough. My "only content" so far is great and was posted on the train. It's quite easy to see I have a thought process and am following it up whenever my scum read posts (you).
I simply don't have time to read anything other than the latest posts till I get home.
Basically, I think your stances are poor. They are based on meta and/or some form of insubstantial tidbit. "This guy feels different," "Koshi is town for this but here's something I need answers for even though you're not scummy looking at all".
Your mindset just doesn't align with how I'd be thinking if I was thinking what you're thinking. You're questioning your town reads and aren't really concerned about your scum reads. Your only questions are really to your highest town read and have done not much to get any more information from your scum leans.
You want content but you rehash the game in a giant wall and expect people to do something. You want activity, you make activity by asking questions and pushing things. Not by idly commenting in a summary.
The first sentence makes me think that HF is town. On November 30 2016 00:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:
What is the purpose of this post other than riding HF's dick? On November 30 2016 12:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:703 Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:55 Koshi wrote:
It isn't useful for people to exactly understand what I am thinking.
LS is town for me till I say otherwise. Feel free to think differently.
Checkm8 is a weaker townread but I like what he said previously, so unless his activity drops and/or says dumb shit he is green. 704 Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like you just made a wall of text on every player in the game for no real reason and the majority of your scum leans are simply the unproductive ones. It just seems so out of place. Why the need for the summary? 705 Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: On November 29 2016 07:40 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey first game since my ban which was like 5-6 months ago? Anyways Onegu's vote on EC seems pretty him joking around but outside of that nothing notable has happened. He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Look at the timestamp of the posts he quoted - 23:55, 23:58, 9:34 of the same day. He LITERALLY went in my filter to cherry pick one post to formulate a read on me as Koshi and Rels were saying that they disliked me more and more. THIS IS OPPORTUNISTIC AS FUCK. Why didn't he flag this post earlier? But after that he's not listed in his next list post: On November 30 2016 13:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? Town: Koshi, DF CM8, Rels, mahr, Onegu*** Mafia: SL tbh you asking me this makes me doubt that you are a mafia. You seem to want to try to understand me.
Scum spew
Shape - 0 interaction, 4 mentions in 2 posts that are completely void on read on him. Very likely partner
+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 13:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? Show nested quote +On September 25 2016 00:23 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote:I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it: On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts: On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote:
Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/ Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^ Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night. Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
[quote]
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once. I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early. This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:Calix:
You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test? My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote:
Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff. Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it. Stutters is so far the most obvious townie. I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart. This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything! This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote:Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in. I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff. On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
[quote]
Interesting idea. What does this achieve?
Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there.
I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you.
I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis. I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely. As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself) Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense. Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange: On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
[quote]
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata. Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention. Stutters:
[quote]
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play. Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation. It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here. On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
[quote]
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out. What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread? Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people? Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here? If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone? Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
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Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town. Please explain Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least. I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though. That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read. Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ? No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet. There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer. The game is 4 pages long day one, take a chill pill. I dare to say I have done more than half the players in the game and in my experience you never hit mafia day one. It is much better to build a town circle. Also Stutters is in all likelyhood a blue role. And if he dies it is on you and Rels. Not quite as similar as I recalled, but the point of his reaction being that LS is blue is still fucking scummery. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? LS has a bit of a history of claiming blue unnecessarily or way too early, pretty sure that was a jab at that. It's a fairly old meta though. I find this less strange than the people who took Shapes cop claim seriously. SL is one of those people. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 19:18 sicklucker wrote:
shapelogs and ls's interactions were pretty horrible but very town. Also shapelog is obviously the cop and if hes not im going to convince mafia he is so they shot him On November 30 2016 00:23 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS? The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood) No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case". Here are my reads: TOWNDF Koshi LEAN-TCheckmate Onegu LEAN-SCUMEC TT ?? SL HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though. SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass. emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me. TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point. LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now.
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aaaaaaand I'm 1 hour late to getting back to work so see you later mates
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On December 01 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
You are crazy if you think NU / EC is mafia on mafia.
NU attacked LS and EC in a way they are most likely both town. (Trying to convince town in multiple posts)
The fake outrage on the sl push by NU is way more likely mafia on mafia. (He never really tried to convince people to vote sl, especially painfully obvious in that last quote. )
Actually, I don't feel NU tried to get town to lynch EC until the very end. On the other hand I didn't reread how EC pushed him so from this view it might be different.
I disagree on SL. That was at a point in his filter where NU had the liberty to chose any target. I think it's unlikely he went on a partner of his this hard over this little.
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