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On November 29 2016 22:50 Holyflare wrote:
Can you give me a quick breakdown of which people fit into which category in that post margarine?
Just a simple:
Would like to know more:
and
People solely expanding filter with no content:
I'm very intrigued.
I was just writing my summary... F5ed here, full page showing up -.-
Will still post it, but may have to adjust some stuff.
Currently at 9/13.
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Just post names first then summary.
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On November 29 2016 23:15 Koshi wrote:
Why don't you have an opinion on it?
Again. I ask you. Did you found this contradiction scummy the moment you saw it? Clearly you did, so tell us why.
He went from saying that LS was acting friendly to start conversations and that having a scum-read on him based on that (My read isn't even based on that) is shallow to saying that mobsters are usually the ones who act friendly. Following his logic, he would be inclined to think that it could make LS mafia.
Plus, he gives me a scummer-read after straw manning my read on LS.
I'd like him to explain how he thinks I'm pulling stuff out of my ass (EC too, stating something doesn't make it true zzz), why he scum-reads me, and what the difference between LS acting nice and mafia acting nice in ToS is.
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Should take you literally 30 seconds.
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On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum.
Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha...
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okay, this post was written after I read up to #500. A lot has been posted since, but I will make a extra post about what has changed for me.
1) Rels: 0 posts - nuff said
2) HF: a bunch of oneliners, only 2 content posts are his case on me (btw, he didnt vote me in the vote thread) The other posts are seemingly just there to tell everyone he is there. I do not really see much will to start solving the game. - minor scumlean for that, but I hope he steps up
3) Shlog: He hides some good posts between a ton of spam. I for now feel like booking his cop claim->scum claim as pure spam and ignore it. But I liked his posts on NU and Emp as well as his latest one(#498), the mindset shown there would cause me to give him a townlean for now. If he now cuts out the spam to increase readability... I'm convinced ^.^
4) TT: Uhm. His filter is short and generic. Then again, the posts were quite early, and he hasnt posted in quite some time. (this is pretty much the difference to HF) I don't think Koshis case on him is particularly strong here for now, so I guess I call him neut for now, and reserve judgement once he starts showing up and answers what is brought against him and contributes own stuff.
5) LS: Said hi, defended himself preemptively, asked everyone for their opinion, has no own opinion. (at least none he shares) When I went to bed I really thought that when I reread him I would get a strong scum lean here. Somehow people vouching for him on meta makes me unsecure. I have a bad feeling about him for the reasons listed, but when I just reread his filter I'm not getting those scum tone vibes... cant specify why, purely emotional.
Fuck it, I guess I leave him to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion.
6) DF: Didn't post much, but what I saw I liked. Reminds me of his play in the newbie game (he was town there). So posts good and meta good. I like. I call town.
7) Koshi: I explained this earlier... I think his whole approach and everything is very townish. This hasn't changed since I talked about him for the last time. But somehow I can't follow his latest "reads". There is a lot of ultimative 1 line alignment assignments.
"LS lock town, cuz meta" - would like more details here
"CM8 town" - because newbs cant be scum in their first game?
"Emp town" after he liked one post, criticized the other... Uhm... Can't follow that progression either.
I'm still considering Koshi townish, but please... take us with you... let us follow your thoughts. Don't write it on the edge of the page that you found the proof to your conjecture and then just pass out. (Hi @Fermat)
8) CM8: No substantial posts. This also means that there is nothing that screams scum. And I don't lynch newbs D1 unless they give me good reason. So completely neut, but policynotlynch.
9) Mahrgell: No clue, not reading this guys filter.
10) emp: Yeah, gimme more... Didn't like his start, he slightly upgraded with his posts on NU, since then is missing. Same category as TT for me.
11) SL; Posted nothing of value at all, but has spread out his posting. At best some superficial one liners. Same category as HF. So scumlean for now, waiting for more activity to confirm.
12) Onegu: He is officially not even playing, as he is not in the player list. Similar to SL and HF he lacks content, but has been online quite a bit. But additionally I consider him disruptive with his pointless spam. Try to start some conversation early, okay... But even later when there was some minor really convo going up he prefered to post nonsense. Would lynch. You may call it policy lynch, but day1 I prefer to look for who is not playing for town as I doubt the existance of clear scum tells. Onegu wins on that antitown ranking, even ahead of Rels.
13) NU: Uh... the most controversial comes last. He is probably the one i have "most meta with". And this is clouding me here. Because it doesn't fit at all. Then again he was called out after the last games to change it, promised to do so... I just have troubles readjusting here. I understand where people are coming from when they call him out, but at the same time he has been very blunt in the past. I want to see how he responds to the accusations and gather more information about his "new style". Depending on that I can see myself strongly supporting or defending a lynch.
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so the update:
CM8: yeah, I agree here, his post looked townish from a newb.
But can you explain your ToS background a bit more though? Like how much you played that? IRL or online? I'm a bit reluctant on all the "he is a newb" reads, just because of my own last game ^.^
NU: Uhhh.... this is the NU I know. Makes accusations I don't understand, doesn't let go on them and greatly overvalues them. Sorry bro, not seeing what you see there. If I only think about this game, this makes you scum. If I think about meta, this makes you town. Just a town that is difficult to handle. -.- At this point I still don't feel smarter about him.
But from my feels he will be deciphered by end of D2... so if he is scum, he should be an easy D2 kill.
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It isn't useful for people to exactly understand what I am thinking.
LS is town for me till I say otherwise. Feel free to think differently.
Checkm8 is a weaker townread but I like what he said previously, so unless his activity drops and/or says dumb shit he is green.
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#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot.
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I feel like you just made a wall of text on every player in the game for no real reason and the majority of your scum leans are simply the unproductive ones. It just seems so out of place. Why the need for the summary?
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On November 29 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like you just made a wall of text on every player in the game for no real reason and the majority of your scum leans are simply the unproductive ones. It just seems so out of place. Why the need for the summary?
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On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot.
COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it.
And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0.
But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those.
If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS?
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Your opinion on me shouldn't be anything other than null btw. I haven't done much but you should certainly agree that your NU reads are wishy washy useless crap and it is excellent to be called out for that when you yourself didn't even "realise".
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On November 29 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote:
I feel like you just made a wall of text on every player in the game for no real reason and the majority of your scum leans are simply the unproductive ones. It just seems so out of place. Why the need for the summary?
Yes, my scum leans are the unproductive ones. Should I mark it again for you? Day1 I search for those who don't play for town.
I'm not as brilliant as you to instantly have a lockscum read on my first post.
And why I made it? Simply because I dived all filters, was frustrated about the lack of anything. Would have loved something more concrete. But this game is quite asleep. Besides Koshi I don't see any initiative at all. Everyone else is at best dropping one liners commenting about their feelings. And this is honestly quite frustrating. So if this wot triggers some activity... Hey, I'm totally happy.
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On November 30 2016 00:04 Holyflare wrote:
Your opinion on me shouldn't be anything other than null btw. I haven't done much but you should certainly agree that your NU reads are wishy washy useless crap and it is excellent to be called out for that when you yourself didn't even "realise".
Thanks for telling me what my opinion on you should be. I don't care.
And well... at least I can explain why im so undecided on NU. Where are your contributions? Haven't seen many opinions from you about other players besides myself.
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On November 30 2016 00:01 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 23:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
#526
5) and 6) mostly reflect my thoughts on both these players. However, I really don't like this: "Fuck it, I guess I leave [LS] to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion. " It comes back to HF's point re: dedicating a post to someone and not having a clear opinion on them.
On that note, you still have no read on me despite liking the points that were made against me and claiming I am the one you have the most meta with.
Also, fucking stop calling me "controversial" and whatnot. COntroversial most in the sense that you are among the most suspected players in this game. Deal with it. And about not having a read, I think I explained why. Because I feel that what you write in this game, and what others call you out for makes you look scummish in isolation. If I add back the meta, it makes you look townish. So back to square 0. But I don't see much point in argueing about that. I have nothing to add to the allegations against you and it is up to you if you feel you defended enough against those. If you don't feel like they are worth commenting more, just share more good stuff about other players. Like what are your opinions on HF, SL, emp, TT and LS?
The allegations as you put it are that I made stuff out of thin air (emp and checkmate) which I debunked, that my post on LS was tainted by the fact that I had a pre-made conclusion on him which is a blatant shade-throw for someone who claims to have no read on me (emp), and that I'm losing ppl with my train of thought (Shape, you). (And a point that emp misunderstood)
No example/explanation for the first, shade for the second, and my arguments being too IQ demanding for the third. That's my "case".
Here are my reads:
TOWN
DF
Koshi
LEAN-T
Checkmate
Onegu
LEAN-SCUM
EC
TT ??
SL
HF's point on you is something I agree with. Like I told you in the noobers game, you don't interact with peoplez enough which makes you look unnatural, not transparent which is a mafia trait. I don't have anything to lean either way on him though.
SL has been useless and not in a funny Grack/Superbia way, so he can be scum-leaned until he starts moving his ass.
emp, I don't understand how anyone could town-read him. His serious posts after his trolling were about me, and as I mentioned above, one of them was a misunderstanding and the other one had no evidence on why I was making shit up and contained something I perceive as a shade-throw because he doesn't even scum-read me.
TT seems uninterested by the game :3 I'm thinking it could be NAI because he was willing to give Onegu his spot in the pre-game which would show that he is not that interested in the game, so it's kind of a moot point.
LS, I despised his first post, but I enjoy his attitude in this game. Tone doesn't sound maf. He's null for me now.
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I don't play at work, you're lucky I'm even posting anything right now and even this is tough. My "only content" so far is great and was posted on the train. It's quite easy to see I have a thought process and am following it up whenever my scum read posts (you).
I simply don't have time to read anything other than the latest posts till I get home.
Basically, I think your stances are poor. They are based on meta and/or some form of insubstantial tidbit. "This guy feels different," "Koshi is town for this but here's something I need answers for even though you're not scummy looking at all".
Your mindset just doesn't align with how I'd be thinking if I was thinking what you're thinking. You're questioning your town reads and aren't really concerned about your scum reads. Your only questions are really to your highest town read and have done not much to get any more information from your scum leans.
You want content but you rehash the game in a giant wall and expect people to do something. You want activity, you make activity by asking questions and pushing things. Not by idly commenting in a summary.
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On November 30 2016 00:24 Holyflare wrote:
I don't play at work, you're lucky I'm even posting anything right now and even this is tough. My "only content" so far is great and was posted on the train. It's quite easy to see I have a thought process and am following it up whenever my scum read posts (you).
I simply don't have time to read anything other than the latest posts till I get home.
Basically, I think your stances are poor. They are based on meta and/or some form of insubstantial tidbit. "This guy feels different," "Koshi is town for this but here's something I need answers for even though you're not scummy looking at all".
Your mindset just doesn't align with how I'd be thinking if I was thinking what you're thinking. You're questioning your town reads and aren't really concerned about your scum reads. Your only questions are really to your highest town read and have done not much to get any more information from your scum leans.
You want content but you rehash the game in a giant wall and expect people to do something. You want activity, you make activity by asking questions and pushing things. Not by idly commenting in a summary.
The first sentence makes me think that HF is town.
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