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@Onegu
As you now said that you will look into the game, will we get some "reads summary" from you at some point during the night or day?
Or will you continue playing this shady background eminence?
Like I get the vibes that at least lately you are indeed thinking about the game... and I can even understand your motivation to not want to share your thoughts... But well... it makes reading you certainly not easier  (and maybe you have new points to free me out my my circles where I even punish myself with reading SLs filter, because I read everyone elses filter like 2 dozen times ^.^)
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On December 10 2016 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a friend's Christmas party all weekend so yeh I can't really say much.
Mahr what do you think of df's frustration at me? I find it strange that he's so frustrated with me if he thinks I'm mafia?
Uhm... Is it okay to say that I understand it because it pretty much reflects my own feelings towards your style? It just took him longer to get to that point than me...
But sadly this emotional outburst by both of you kinda overshadowed the actually interesting points of the conversation, even though I felt like some stuff said in the heat of the battle was rather... interesting.
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On December 10 2016 23:10 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 22:25 mahrgell wrote:
Also can anyone describe me SLs character?
Like is he closer to Onegu or to HF/Koshi? A not caring funplayer or another selfcentered vet? Or completely different? A conspiracy nut loon that does his own thing.
What does he value higher: his own thing/fun or winning? Like will he change his "own thing" if it a clear "losing strat" given the surroundings?
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also Onegu, now that HF said his version... What would have been your answer?
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On December 11 2016 00:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 23:24 mahrgell wrote:On December 10 2016 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a friend's Christmas party all weekend so yeh I can't really say much.
Mahr what do you think of df's frustration at me? I find it strange that he's so frustrated with me if he thinks I'm mafia? Uhm... Is it okay to say that I understand it because it pretty much reflects my own feelings towards your style? It just took him longer to get to that point than me... But sadly this emotional outburst by both of you kinda overshadowed the actually interesting points of the conversation, even though I felt like some stuff said in the heat of the battle was rather... interesting. So why not mention those points?
Because I don't want to.
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On December 11 2016 00:37 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 22:59 mahrgell wrote:
@DF:
How confident were you in Emp being scum at EoD4? I was actually pretty confident when I saw his "sorry town  " post because I felt like that was a post from scum knowing they're going down and apologizing for lying the whole game lol. I didn't think any of his points were great to the point where I would have switched my vote.
Then I really wonder what triggered your defense minutes because the game was seemingly over... I haven't had the impression that you are the kind of guy who has such a strong pride that he cant take being questioned, especially when you have the feeling you are proven correct (and a winner) in a few minutes anyway...
Especially with you repeating that your approach to the game is centered around phase to phase this premature defense is indeed weird.
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On December 11 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 23:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2016 22:25 mahrgell wrote:
Also can anyone describe me SLs character?
Like is he closer to Onegu or to HF/Koshi? A not caring funplayer or another selfcentered vet? Or completely different? A conspiracy nut loon that does his own thing. Wow this is really what you are putting here? Me and SL are almost as bad as me and Koshi. IE we dont really get along. I was actually surprised he was jokey with me this game. It should have put off warning bells for me but didnt. Like HF wrote is is a nut and tries to make big plays just so he can. But his relationship with HF is much better than it is with me. And the self centered vet part is true.
I'm somehow amused by you guys answers... Not sure you wanted to answer the question or you tried to guess(not difficult, I think) where I wanted to go with the question, and both answered in a way that suit yourself the most...
but hey
@DF: you also played with SL, I guess you read the game even after your death or maybe also read another game... what is your opinion here
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Also, while I'm in funny questions mode:
What was your impression of SLs play d1/n1: Was this the kind of play suited to get himself to lylo and win there? Or "did it just go wrong, or was surviving until the end never the goal?"
My impression was that it was nearly impossible for him to achieve that with this rather chaotic and strange play... And the general consensus on him n1/d2 seems to somehow agree with that.
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On December 11 2016 03:14 Onegu wrote:
How did I not answer the question?
Oh you meant is his playstyle close to mine. Oh hell no, he is a much more tryhard. No one is close to me. I mix trolling and actually figuring stuff out in a way that no one can mimic.
Was this directed at me?
As I said, it felt everyone was trying o make it less likely to look like SL+himself is a possible scum pairing here.
Anyway, there are more questions! :D So what do you think about SLs initial playstyle this game, only looking at d1/n1?
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On December 11 2016 04:53 Holyflare wrote:
Mahrgell any time you wanna drop your interpretations are fine?
What? Sorry, but I really don't understand the question here.
Is this even a question? Or are you asking when I will do it?
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If it was a question about the "when"...
I need some more time... Still rereading some stuff and trying to string everything together....
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Also I admit I would like some more... conversation. I feel some of my answers are still unanswered... And somehow all those encounters between people here lately have been odd so maybe I get something more to read.
But looks like nobody wants to talk anymore.
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On December 11 2016 05:04 Holyflare wrote:
Your questions seem largely irrelevant that's why. If you have something to say or questions involving someone's own play then ask them.
I'm not sure why you think figuring out dead scums play is irrelevant.
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On December 11 2016 05:04 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu seems like he's not gonna be doing much which is unfortunate.
Does that make him town, scum or just a lazy nut?
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On December 11 2016 05:15 Holyflare wrote:
It makes him precisely onegu.
I did spend like 2 cycles figuring out sl's filter and that's why we lynched emp really.
What's kinda weird is you seem all behind the scenes-y and don't really give any opinions. You dropped some questions and then have no conclusions and aren't concerned with alluding to things like how each definition of sl given benefits that person.
Just wanna know where you're at.
Oh, only because I don't share everything with you this suddenly means I have no conclusions?
Hmmm... Do you think I should post them before EoN?
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@HF
Well.... as you clearly wanna talk about it:
Why on earth is your N4 so different from your previous play?
- did you really believe Onegu would simply lock in his vote on you, regardless what happens? Why get him off now?
- this would have been a great bait.... And I indeed believe Onegu can be reasoned with when it is an obvious 2v2 votes with the second guy on you looking scummy as fuck only capitalizing on Onegus stubborness.
- or similarly a 3v1 on Onegu could have been done...
- suddenly you are the waffle master, defending yourself with "yeah, my reads change all the time". Where is your confidence?
- How did you manage to trash all your own "this is why im clearly locktown" points over the course of two pages? Why should anyone take your obsession with confirming yourself as locktown serious at all, when you obviously show that you adjust those arguments as you need them every time a discussion pops up?
- Given your publicly shown despise on "appeal to emotion" how did you suddenly start using it on DF as well as Onegu?
- Why is a player with your posting/playing style suddenly flipping so hard on those DF attacks? Especially considering our D1-D2 history...
- Why you call for me telling you where I am... without contributing anything yourself?
- Why you suddenly play stupid where my questions are supposed to lead... And throw away any conclusion before it is even out. Especially given that your answer and comparing it to Onegus answer is quite telling...
Hint:
Where those questions were going: Would SL, a forumvet, really decide to play this throwaway style d1/n1 which has 0 chance to ever get him to lylo or even win a lylo, when he is in a team with NU (on his first scumgame, completely overwhelmed and thrown away d1 anyway) and a low profile player like DF on goon (and you certainly cant plan around getting a N1 cop kill)?
I originally only thought about if his later play made sense in a team with DF and it absolutely did, as DF looked towny af and cop was gone... But the thing is that LS was throwing himself away right from the start of the game. This posting style does not survive. So unless he didn't care at all about the result... there must be someone he trusted to profit from his obvious role as confusion causer. And I don't believe this to be DF. But yes... this makes sense for both Onegu and HF....
- Why do you suddenly ask where TT is? Didn't you absolutely hate him, as he was only tunneling on you anyway? Or do you hope he can give you great reads about other players that you missed? His alignment is clear, so there is nothing to figure out about him. You have showed again and again that you do not give a flying fuck about his opinion... But suddenly you are asking for him?
- Why you suddenly play stupid on why players hold back on information? Especially when they are still asking various questions?
- Why you suddenly want to rush stuff? For someone "being not really here" you were kinda... pushing it. We have >48h to discuss this lylo... Or do you have a decision to do before?
Hint:
scum has to make some decision before... and TT is maybe the "standard NK"... but not the only option...
So knowing where he stands only profits those who are either hoping for him to deliver new points and are willing to listen to him... Or for scum deciding on who to NK.
Similarly HF trying to play stupid and get anything from me asap... Why not wait until after deadline? Or is it that yes, my questions were clearly loaded towards him? With DF publicly stating that he does not consider voting me for now... TT may really be better to have around, especially when he can be wifomed into "I would obviously never let you survive, as you were clearly tunneling onto me and are the obv nk"
-and even this seems so much out of HFs usual style and more adressed at reinforcing DFs and my doubts about him. Especially given that Onegu may not have shown much... but I'm pretty sure he is not just sitting there policy lynching but has some plan...
- so yes... I may have cleared HF all the time for this N2 thing... But pretty much everything else went against him from beginning to end especially from a gut point... Yes, his play N3/D4 fitted the town!HF i had in mind... but I discarded it for Scum!HF, as I thought the game was railroadish... But I clearly underestimated how many changes this game gets over the time... And for a Scum!HF suddenly those actions make sense, trying to seal it...
Running out of time, this has to do. If I stay around, I can detail.
Anyway... vote HF!
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I will take your word, if you say that... I'm not into that wifom shit...
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But in any case...
Now that we reached the final day, is there a reason to hold back, Onegu? Or are you ready to drop the read bombs finally?
You probably wont convince me that I'm scum... but between HF and DF... Who is it?
Also do you agree with my judgement on SL? Or would he completely able to do this LEROY style even when he does not trust his mates? My feeling with the selfcentered vets on TL is, that they always want to grab the game for themselves... Never follow, always lead, everything being centered around them... I simply can't imagine a SL getting GF(insanely powerful in this setup) and then pull this shit without someone else they respect to carry through...
And respect the typical TLvet seems to only have for other TLvets...
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Well... it is up to you to help then  And no, I wont read all SL games suddenly... Ive read one partially early into this game, when I asked for one...
Who is your scumread?
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