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On November 29 2016 09:57 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:55 mahrgell wrote:
As I mentioned NU: We need Calix as bone to check if he is on his usual "meta". So far his posts are way too readable.
Maybe he just improved his posting style though. He promised he would. Then again, he promised that at the beginning of Newbiemafia already ^.^ NU his newbie game entrance was blatantly obvious mafia. And his townplay is way too invested compared to his mafia play. Will be an easy read if he keeps up playing and keeps activity up. Not worried about reading him. More worried about keeping him in check in case he is town. rofl.
In what game was NU mafia? I played Newbie with him, there he was spammy, disturbing and town.
And I read the game before from him (sorry, lost name.. too lazy to check), but there he was also town, but also busy with Calix TvT all the game.
Can you link me his scumgame? (Do I really want to read his former filters??? REALLY?)
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Well LS...
Instead of linking all those great threads...
What is your approach to helping town this game?
So far you have:
- defended yourself against I dont know what
- said Hi to everybody few times
Both is nothing bad, but as I feel not much motivation to read all your linked games, and meta changes anyway... Just share the "town meta" you wanna apply this game.
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Was trying to remember who else posted and wasn't really noticed...
emps filter is trash, even for D1 standards.
Hello here, hello there, spammy link, spammy video, apologizes for not being there before (was walking home), still not being there after his apology, except for another jokepost.
And then followed his 2 most "investigative" posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Indeed, colour me as interested in those reasons!
+ Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. wooo koshi going for easy bro points
When those are your best posts (and you again have no followup at all) you are probably not doing enough to help town.
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On November 29 2016 10:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 10:17 mahrgell wrote:
Well LS...
Instead of linking all those great threads...
What is your approach to helping town this game?
So far you have:
- defended yourself against I dont know what
- said Hi to everybody few times
Both is nothing bad, but as I feel not much motivation to read all your linked games, and meta changes anyway... Just share the "town meta" you wanna apply this game. A. I almost always in the defensive early as town if people start questioning my alignment that is not Onegu. B. As scum I almost always never defend myself this hard unless Damdred was in my team(See Cell for the Damdred portion and my Witch Hunter game) C. Normally I do get a mega push going by Day 2 as town. As scum I don't do mega pushes but more soft pushes. You can see this in my more recent games.
How do you get to that mega push? (this is a mix of question to learn for myself and a mix of metaquestion about you ^^)
Also no need in telling your scummeta, this is pointless anyway. 
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On November 29 2016 10:35 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 10:32 mahrgell wrote:Was trying to remember who else posted and wasn't really noticed... emps filter is trash, even for D1 standards. Hello here, hello there, spammy link, spammy video, apologizes for not being there before (was walking home), still not being there after his apology, except for another jokepost. And then followed his 2 most "investigative" posts: + Show Spoiler +On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Indeed, colour me as interested in those reasons! On November 29 2016 08:57 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote:On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote:
Meh reading didn't give me much.
Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. wooo koshi going for easy bro points When those are your best posts (and you again have no followup at all) you are probably not doing enough to help town. Alright. Any other thoughts you care to share?
I share as it comes to mind ^.^ But I think I covered my initial thoughts about almost everyone who posted.
Well I guess I ignored TT and LS, but neither really have enough posts to warrant any analysis.
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Hmmm... also I would be not unhappy about feedback on the readability of my own posts...
After I quickly established myself as wot thrower in newbie mafia, this time I'm trying to keep stuff shorter, just pointing things out with less explanations... Not sure this is better though. Then again not sure who read my stuff last game :D
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On November 29 2016 10:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 10:37 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 10:22 LightningStrike wrote:On November 29 2016 10:17 mahrgell wrote:
Well LS...
Instead of linking all those great threads...
What is your approach to helping town this game?
So far you have:
- defended yourself against I dont know what
- said Hi to everybody few times
Both is nothing bad, but as I feel not much motivation to read all your linked games, and meta changes anyway... Just share the "town meta" you wanna apply this game. A. I almost always in the defensive early as town if people start questioning my alignment that is not Onegu. B. As scum I almost always never defend myself this hard unless Damdred was in my team(See Cell for the Damdred portion and my Witch Hunter game) C. Normally I do get a mega push going by Day 2 as town. As scum I don't do mega pushes but more soft pushes. You can see this in my more recent games. How do you get to that mega push? (this is a mix of question to learn for myself and a mix of metaquestion about you ^^) Also no need in telling your scummeta, this is pointless anyway. I just push a target non-stop after locking a aim until either I get out of a bad tunnel(See Tortoise) or I had lynched them. Usually the later happens more or less.
This does not explain how you come to your target of choice. Sounds more like a dangerous tunneler rolling a dice and telling everyone to trust him ^^
PS: annoying flood control... Guess I push my TL counter a bit for a change.
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well... anyway... I dont think there is much to discuss for now... I appreciate your townread on me, but havent made my mind on you.
But hey, there is enough time left and I want to read more people, including the ones who havent posted yet.
So I'm off for now, gn8
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On November 29 2016 10:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Also you could talk to Koshi about me too since Koshi had played a lot of games with me.
Considering he called you Town for meta, thats a smart thing to say
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On November 29 2016 15:57 Holyflare wrote:
Too diplomatic, doesn't feel accusatory enough. Concerned with self meta, not really concerned with own reads. "Cases" someone (emperor?) but has no real conclusion or care about it. Wishy washy stance (not even a stance, just saying we need calix) on NU, basically not even a real post on NU.
You know, if we wouldnt have played together last game... But we did... so wtf are you on?
So I really don't feel like explaining you the "too diplomatic" part again.
At this point I'm just dropping my thoughts on whoever posted but I'm far off any conclusions. If you want to call it a case on Emp, well, you have a very low standard for those, I guess. But yes, at this point he was the most suspect player to me. Pointed that out (as I did my opinion on pretty much everyone else who posted that far), no reaction at all, went to sleep. Can care about it when there is more to it. Now there are more pots from him, so I can continue this thought... But hey, whoever doesn't vote on first post must be scum because indecisive, yay! -.-
And not even sure where you are going on with my stance on NU. But I guess I just explain my thought on NU: right now it is difficult for me to read NU, simply as he doesn't post in his former NU ways. And reading his posts without thinking BUT ITS NU is difficult for me. So I'm willing to give him time for now so I get a feel for his new ways.
But hey, I posted about like half the players, you posted about exactly one person (me), calling me out for not having enough decisive reads. Call me amazed.
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On November 29 2016 17:25 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 09:50 mahrgell wrote:On November 29 2016 09:35 Tictock wrote:
I kinda feel like you are tryharding yourself there Koshi, trying real hard to find reasons to call Onegu mafia. While I agree with you, that Koshi feels tryharding here on Onegu, I must say this and his general tone still gives me a minor townlean on Koshi for now. Simply because he is tryharding and motivated. And with his history of scumrolling and what I recall from reading Dota2, he was way less motivated there and more stabby. Yeah here it is. Koshi had a 24 page filter in Dota 2 mafia. He can do this shit as mafia. Giving him a free pass because he is tryharding and motivated wtf do you call a 24 page filter? It isnt a reason to townread koshi. Koshi wants to win even if he rolls mafia 20 games in a row. He doesnt just call it in. That is one thing you can actually count on with koshi, he always wants to win.
Uhm, now you actually made me look back at that game and not just recall it from my mind.
But no, my opinion stands. Yes, his filter is long. But imho his tryhard part started way later. And Koshi was way more stabby back there on day one. He was poking here and there, drop a comment, blabla. But this game I see a much clearer agenda from him. And this is so far for me at least a good agenda. Just compare pages 1-2 of his filter there to his filter here.
Am I fully sold on him? No. But is he the towniest player so far for me? Yes.
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On November 29 2016 18:07 Holyflare wrote:When on earth did I play with you? Show nested quote +Wishy washy stance (not even a stance, just saying we need calix) on NU, basically not even a real post on NU. Show nested quote +And not even sure where you are going on with my stance on NU. But I guess I just explain my thought on NU: right now it is difficult for me to read NU, simply as he doesn't post in his former NU ways. And reading his posts without thinking BUT ITS NU is difficult for me. So I'm willing to give him time for now so I get a feel for his new ways. You pretty much surmise my gripe with your NU post. You don't have a read but yet you're making posts about not having the read. It looks weird to me and seems like you're making reads for the sake of it and it seems little of your reads are based on actual content and more meta. You have the whole day to change my mind 
Oups... I mixed you up with Skynx. Not sure if this is offending to you  Well... then lets drop that.
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Oh, and just asking for it again, but can we please spoiler gifs as btdt has demanded about 50 times now? :[ :[ :[
Makes it a real pain to play on the phone, especially when looking back at pages -.-
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To continue on Emp: I liked his approach/tone in the NU posts. A clear upgrade from his previous posting I called out. While I actually don't believe he is onto something, it still represents a good mindset from Emp imho.
Not understanding this post though:
On November 29 2016 13:25 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote:
EC I seen you made some posts on NU is your conclusion on him so far is that you think he's scum? That what I getting from your posts on him. Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on.
I mean, I can see why you dont have a conclusion on NU. But why does you having a conclusion on NU hinge on your judgement of the guy who asked you for that conclusion? Those should be independent.
But once you are awake, I would love to hear where your reading of LS brought you.
LS makes me confused right now. I feel I should have a strong lean on him... But then I always feel like im basically just implying way too much into his posts.
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I'm confused...
There are two SL in this game... Can we somehow make some distinction? I guess I call sicklucker SL from now on and shapelog will be shlog
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Grmpf... now I went through all filters... And somehow got left disappointed. All the people I would like to know more about have not posted lately... And the other half of players just tries to expand their filter size without contributing anything. Guess I just vote for policy killing almost everyone!
Guess I write a summary anyway... Maybe this helps me to order my thoughts better.
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On November 29 2016 22:50 Holyflare wrote:
Can you give me a quick breakdown of which people fit into which category in that post margarine?
Just a simple:
Would like to know more:
and
People solely expanding filter with no content:
I'm very intrigued.
I was just writing my summary... F5ed here, full page showing up -.-
Will still post it, but may have to adjust some stuff.
Currently at 9/13.
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okay, this post was written after I read up to #500. A lot has been posted since, but I will make a extra post about what has changed for me.
1) Rels: 0 posts - nuff said
2) HF: a bunch of oneliners, only 2 content posts are his case on me (btw, he didnt vote me in the vote thread) The other posts are seemingly just there to tell everyone he is there. I do not really see much will to start solving the game. - minor scumlean for that, but I hope he steps up
3) Shlog: He hides some good posts between a ton of spam. I for now feel like booking his cop claim->scum claim as pure spam and ignore it. But I liked his posts on NU and Emp as well as his latest one(#498), the mindset shown there would cause me to give him a townlean for now. If he now cuts out the spam to increase readability... I'm convinced ^.^
4) TT: Uhm. His filter is short and generic. Then again, the posts were quite early, and he hasnt posted in quite some time. (this is pretty much the difference to HF) I don't think Koshis case on him is particularly strong here for now, so I guess I call him neut for now, and reserve judgement once he starts showing up and answers what is brought against him and contributes own stuff.
5) LS: Said hi, defended himself preemptively, asked everyone for their opinion, has no own opinion. (at least none he shares) When I went to bed I really thought that when I reread him I would get a strong scum lean here. Somehow people vouching for him on meta makes me unsecure. I have a bad feeling about him for the reasons listed, but when I just reread his filter I'm not getting those scum tone vibes... cant specify why, purely emotional.
Fuck it, I guess I leave him to people who can judge him better until I have seen more from him to form a more conclusive opinion.
6) DF: Didn't post much, but what I saw I liked. Reminds me of his play in the newbie game (he was town there). So posts good and meta good. I like. I call town.
7) Koshi: I explained this earlier... I think his whole approach and everything is very townish. This hasn't changed since I talked about him for the last time. But somehow I can't follow his latest "reads". There is a lot of ultimative 1 line alignment assignments.
"LS lock town, cuz meta" - would like more details here
"CM8 town" - because newbs cant be scum in their first game?
"Emp town" after he liked one post, criticized the other... Uhm... Can't follow that progression either.
I'm still considering Koshi townish, but please... take us with you... let us follow your thoughts. Don't write it on the edge of the page that you found the proof to your conjecture and then just pass out. (Hi @Fermat)
8) CM8: No substantial posts. This also means that there is nothing that screams scum. And I don't lynch newbs D1 unless they give me good reason. So completely neut, but policynotlynch.
9) Mahrgell: No clue, not reading this guys filter.
10) emp: Yeah, gimme more... Didn't like his start, he slightly upgraded with his posts on NU, since then is missing. Same category as TT for me.
11) SL; Posted nothing of value at all, but has spread out his posting. At best some superficial one liners. Same category as HF. So scumlean for now, waiting for more activity to confirm.
12) Onegu: He is officially not even playing, as he is not in the player list. Similar to SL and HF he lacks content, but has been online quite a bit. But additionally I consider him disruptive with his pointless spam. Try to start some conversation early, okay... But even later when there was some minor really convo going up he prefered to post nonsense. Would lynch. You may call it policy lynch, but day1 I prefer to look for who is not playing for town as I doubt the existance of clear scum tells. Onegu wins on that antitown ranking, even ahead of Rels.
13) NU: Uh... the most controversial comes last. He is probably the one i have "most meta with". And this is clouding me here. Because it doesn't fit at all. Then again he was called out after the last games to change it, promised to do so... I just have troubles readjusting here. I understand where people are coming from when they call him out, but at the same time he has been very blunt in the past. I want to see how he responds to the accusations and gather more information about his "new style". Depending on that I can see myself strongly supporting or defending a lynch.
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so the update:
CM8: yeah, I agree here, his post looked townish from a newb.
But can you explain your ToS background a bit more though? Like how much you played that? IRL or online? I'm a bit reluctant on all the "he is a newb" reads, just because of my own last game ^.^
NU: Uhhh.... this is the NU I know. Makes accusations I don't understand, doesn't let go on them and greatly overvalues them. Sorry bro, not seeing what you see there. If I only think about this game, this makes you scum. If I think about meta, this makes you town. Just a town that is difficult to handle. -.- At this point I still don't feel smarter about him.
But from my feels he will be deciphered by end of D2... so if he is scum, he should be an easy D2 kill.
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