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On December 07 2016 23:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic. On December 07 2016 22:30 Rels wrote:
I wanted to wait a little bit more but since we're discussing it I'll go ahead and say it. Since I'm in theater tonight I can't post a last second message with my check. )= If that wasn't the case I would have waited until the last second in case Onegu is scum and concedes.
I will target TT because:
- there is a very possibility he's scum
- he's one of the strongest player on this website, especially lategame. From the top of my head I remember several games where he just analyzed it and solved it super easily. The most impressive example being the last PYP game While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours. Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels. I'm not gonna change. The thing that cemented that decision was that I find weird that you're not pushing for EC being jailkept. He is your 100% main scum, if I don't target him you're gonna waste tomorrow trying to lynch him; that doesn't make sense IMO. You should be happier with a EC JK than an Onegu JK. And if you're town I trust you to lead town. (=
I hate you  I had a nice wot... F5ed... you wrote this all in so few lines....
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Hmmmm.... Have reread DF finally...
Gotta say, I see the doubts HF mentioned...So my previous townlock is kinda gone. But overall I think this still between Emp and TT here. I don't think I would rank DF more likely to be scum than (one of) those two, especially given their latest play.
But with that potential we should still aim at finishing this game as soon as possible, so imho the
1) TT
2) Emp
route is correct.
And if it comes to the D5 worst case scenario... I still don't wanna discuss it now who I would vote for there. I see a fair chance of WIFOM plays during a N4 and don't wanna feed into that, as I consider the conclusion of such thoughts pretty random. And this is more than I want to give scum here.
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It is also up to you to end this game before we have to have this discussion 
If you suddenly feel insulted you dropped from locktown to #3 or #4 on the could-be-scum-list with one scum remaining, then I can't help you.
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On December 08 2016 01:48 darthfoley wrote:
I was referencing HF more than you. I just think it's silly to use the final JK on me when everyone has has me highly town read and has for a long time. No way I play this well as scum
So much more useful to clear someone who's in the middle or is scum read.
Oh, with that I can agree. Now we are all happy friends again, until one mentions "But if it was this easy, scum would have tapped out". Then we do that all again.
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I appreciate your feelings towards me...
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Even mods lost the will to play... so its not TT.
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oh, modpost... Sorry TT, but I would have prefered you to be scum.
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On December 08 2016 07:01 Holyflare wrote:
This is fucking boring.
##vote mahrgell
Tell me when you have something I should respond to.
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On December 08 2016 07:03 Holyflare wrote:
You literally just said tt wasn't mafia and then claimed you saw a mod post.
Only way you knew that was if you're mafia knowing the day is continuing.
Okay. You convinced me. Can't vote myself though.
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On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/
-Koshi+HF
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On December 08 2016 07:07 Holyflare wrote:
You played well too, sucks
It's not me who has to play on
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On December 08 2016 07:09 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2016 07:06 mahrgell wrote:On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/ -Koshi+HF Mahrg, what does this post mean?
HFs case was so brilliant, that I had no own defense left. So I had to quote a textbook defense.
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Is there anything left here to do? Or can I go to sleep now?
If we are doing this case thingy, tell me.
If not, then you better have an idea who is it between Onegu and Emp.
I stick with Emp->Onegu. Then again, if you lynch me, you better lynch Onegu D5 as it would be too sad if he wins. Emp I can live with.
gn8
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Okay... Looks like this "vote Mahrgell" is still a thing and this game requires some serious play again...
So first in case anyone is serious about this "scum slip"
IT WAS A JOKE. I'm not sure if it proves me to be German that somehow nobody understands it or that I have to explain it: I was in this "game drags on forever" apocalypse mode, and judging from the thread I certainly wasn't alone in that. Then even the mods fail to show up... Can you figure out the rest by yourself?
So and now to the rest:
a) why did I not go for HF?
Because this bullshit does not make him scum. It makes him a dick, but not scum. Scum!HF would win the game anyway, when we just lynch Emp and Onegu/DF. So okay, there is still the possibility of him being both... And he just wants to have some fun and show the world how cool he is before he wins. But thats simply not what I believe here.
But for some reason whenever HF is bored, he has to turn on me, as he did all game. I appreciate that for once it happened without calling me anything. Should have worried me, I guess.
Still I'm kinda mad about this shit (and had to retype this paragraph a dozen times). Like do not moan about players not surrendering those game. Do not fucking moan about having to play forever. It is exactly this kind of shit you are pulling here which leads to Never-Surrender being the correct play at all times. And well... Tell me if you know who you want to vote between Emp and Onegu. at lylo. Because you better do know if you kill me here just because of your "dance puppets dance" attitude.
I fucking don't know it who it is between them. And if you really decide you are too cool for this game and vote DF... We better dont meet in postgame.
2) Emps reaction was super towny.
Oh please, SURE IT WAS. The guy is the primary lynch target for the day (before this shit happens), and happily jumps on the first alternative lynch that is gonna show up. The textbook definition of towny! Please...
SL basically scum claimed midst of D3 (which I felt kinda insulted about, because I had already posted a possible explanation for his play to be town... and then he brings this bullshit)... And what does Emp?
Blubbers about "40% chance Emp is town". WTF??? Does he read the thread?
And then gets stuck in some weird kind of fetish 1on1 with TT (and I have no idea what TT was doing there either)
If Emp really believed in his 40% statement, he should have been in absolute panic mode. And not in panic mode about himself, but in panic mode about the game being outright lost there, because if SL is for whatever reasons town there, town will NOT survive a double lylo (and even the JK check is suddenly not conclusive anymore and the HF towncall reasoning doesnt hold anymore). And 2 shots against 2 scum out of 6 is fucking horrible for town.
If for some reason he did not believe in his own words (and just wanted to cause confusion...) then his play still does not make sense. Because suddenly instead of "2 shots vs 2 scum out of 6" you get a "3 shots vs 1 scum out of 5/6" (the last depending if you clear HF here. In this case again it is completely fucking pointless to do this 1on1 battle with TT. Well... except for some kind of weird WIFOM setup idea with "scum could never be so clueless".
So no, nothing changes for me here. I vote Emp, I want to see him dead, I want to end the game. And if this does not end it, I will vote Onegu.
Because again, same kinda bullshit reaction here, with just blindvoting on the first alternative target (so it would be between Emp and him at lylo) and I honestly have no clue what he did all game. And if it ends with DF being scum, I can live with it at this point. Yes I can read his filter with a scum mindset... But I don't believe it, and if it is, then GG.
3) Not a fan of those, but because this is super popular here lets to a TL style defense too:
Your currently voting for:
- scrubnoob (your view, not mine) in his second forum mafia game rolls Goon with NU and SL.
- because SL decides to do some weird "park my vote on the framer" play, the scrub decides this is cool and busses NU too
- scrub then actually kinda softdefends SL all night, but turns on him on the day, tries to get SL lynched all D2 long (lets all call TMI here please!!!)
- scrub indeed defends SL start of day3, even preps up the full explanation for SL... SL is too cool for this, posts complete garbage, scrub decides to throw him under the bus (while certain player we are not naming here start the msot weird shenannies)
Great stuff you have going here. Pretty brilliant. And after all those devious plays, then you completely caught me on this most obvious scum slip.
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I don't think I need TTs defense. And I don't think TT has to prove his towniness anymore by defending me over your bullshit. So no clue why you are even asking him.
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You suddenly have a case? I missed it.
Or is it still your "this guy made a doomsday comment, CLEARLY HE MUST BE SCUM" when pretty much everyone in the thread, including yourself, was making those.
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On December 08 2016 15:02 emperorchampion wrote:
The thing I find odd about Mahr's response is that he doesn't immediately go after HF. In my mind if you're town and make some sort of random thing like that, if someone pushes surely you think the person attacking you is mafia? But maybe I'm not seeing things correctly here.
Also I don't see this as HF's path to victory, since surely it would be to get me lynched then to aim for Onegu / whoever in lylo. This is kinda a throwy move from HF if he's scum, since if Mahr is town then we go after HF next right?
Okay... Could you start making sense, please?
So basically you say I should instantly go after HF, and not doing it is scummy! And then you say HFs play makes no sense for scum.
OKAY. Call me interested. You have more of those stories?
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On December 08 2016 16:48 Holyflare wrote:
You're mafia and it's not going to change bro.
Okay.
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On December 08 2016 16:50 Holyflare wrote:
And if you're not mafia which is possible then you should be going agyer darthfoley and not emo
Because??? Yes, DF kinda took a dive lately. Yes this play makes sense regardless of his alignment. But I don't consider it conclusive the slightest.
But I have seen about 0 towny thinking from Emp after SL giving up... Absolutely 0. Just his weird 1on1 with TT which I still cant make any sense of. And it must take some very crazy understanding of the game to call his reaction to your brilliant case on me "towny".
So no, I won't change here.
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EPT
