You didn't believe his reads?
You didn't believe his TMI-explanation?
You didn't believe he tried to unclaim, but saw your post and decided against it? (when I posted 40 secs before deadline and refreshed once and your post was still nnot there... yo you were probably 20 secs before deadline)

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 06 2016 22:12 GMT

#2374

On December 07 2016 07:10 darthfoley wrote:
Good job boys

should be straightforward from here

Wait until the WIFOM kicks in....

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 07 2016 09:29 GMT

#2428

Grmpf... I didn't feel like posting anything after SL scumclaimed D3... And I'm not happy about DF starting the discussion... But as the WIFOM party started prematurely...

At this point we indeed had 3 shots (with one being a townconfirm) between 6 players.
I can townconfirm myself, cool.
I'm probably more convinced of HF being town than he is himself (because while his excuse for being town, that SL may have been blocked as scum, I was actually thinking that SL was very likely to be blocked, because he was looking like a VT bait)
Leaves me with 3 shots between TT, Emp, Onegu, DF. I don't think there is any better than this. And as I consider DF's game damn clean and towny, he is basically the only risk I have. (outside of completely weird shit or me being wrong on HF)
So yes... I want to see TT, Emp and Onegu dead/confirmed.

And with that in mind, yes, things look damn shit for mafia if this is true.
And they need exactly one thing to come back from this train of bad shit happening: WIFOM.

And since the SL scumclaim to me it feels like everything in this thread is centered around WIFOM and the "this can't be, because this is clearly a losing play for scum" or "I clearly offered myself for being lynched/checked" is pretty much what I had in mind D3. So don't tell me the current development since SL giving up makes no sense as scum. If those arguments work, this play makes perfectly sense.

With this in mind, I will not move from my "kill/confirm TT/Emp/Onegu" stance.
If you want to change my mind, you either make the greatest case of your life on DF/HF.
Well, or you have to kill me over them, but then please bring a solid case against me and I will defend against it.

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 07 2016 12:09 GMT

#2431

On December 07 2016 20:56 Holyflare wrote:
Lol I'm the real jk

That's great. so we have 2.
Then I guess we do not talk at all anymore this night, wait for the NK and sort everything out during the day.

I guess whoever feels like he may get shot should give us a reads summary few seconds before EoN.

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 07 2016 12:33 GMT

#2433

We can not lynch him at night. So we can discuss this at day.

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 07 2016 13:03 GMT

#2436

Imho:
JK1 (Rels) should stick between Emp,TT, Onegu
JK2 (HF) should protect/block Rels or do whatever he feels, as I see a lot of valid options here.

Any other JK may do whatever he feels too.

And either this game just became horribly easy or horribly difficult again. I was already relaxing and on autopilot mode...

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 07 2016 13:16 GMT

#2440

Grmpf... You are making me reread everything again... Stop destroying my wonderful world with well argued posts. Go back to flaming me!

I guess I revise my advice: Every JK in game, and afaik only I claimed VT so far, so we have still 6 JK left, do as you please, but tell us before EoN. Thank you very much.

I really don't wanna argue during night though... But I have stuff to read... So call me busy.

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 07 2016 13:33 GMT

#2443

On December 07 2016 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
Argue about what....?

This is THE night to talk about things because we have to figure out who to rb.

What is the difference between JKing someone and lynching him at this point? Imho they are in effect the same. Just that they can't talk after lynching ^.^ (thats actually a reason to not JK onegu but lynch him... he isn't talking anyway^^)

Problem I see is that we have 3 shots left. Until few minutes I was completely happy about my 3 target list. If this is now a 4 target list things become damn messy again. So no, we can not simply lynch Onegu later, because this means someone else survives...

Actually I'm more inclined to say "JK the most likely scum" The best way this game can end is soon. One JK surviving the night, or a lynch on the next day on the correct target. This should be the goal.
The moment we enter a lylo, everything is up in the air... And when we consider DF as potential scum... Scum has a real chance again.

mahrgell

Germany3941 Posts

December 07 2016 14:08 GMT

#2449

On December 07 2016 23:05 Tictock wrote:
Last thing before I go fight my way through Snow traffic.

Show nested quote +

While I respect both the fear that I could still be scum and the respect that I'm one of the stronger town players endgame. I know kinda preffered the JK on Onegu since then I don't have to read him based on 1 post every 12 hours.

Obviously I am biased though, so do as you please Rels.

Before you offered yourself to be lynched day4... Where did the self sacrifice go?
Shouldn't you prefer "check TT, lynch Onegu" over "check Onegu, lynch TT"? In that case you could lobby yourself for the lynch on D5 on Emp. (always assuming the game goes that far) Why you wanna let Onegu do that in your stead?