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On December 10 2016 08:15 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler [blue claims] +HolyflarePerson was signed in when posted
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Yes to make it obvious I'm not blue by dropping in that I'm vig but also making "slips" like talking about what the vig should do. That and I always claim blue at night anyway. Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 06:40 Holyflare wrote:
Is it possible onegu makes the play where he sheeps me because he's mafia? That way if I say we lynch onegu (mafia) he just makes some bs vote on me?
I dunno.
Stop making me wifom off you.
On December 10 2016 08:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 08:03 mahrgell wrote:
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Change of topic: Can someone summarize again why Onegu is so townish to everyone?
Like... Him being cheerful during D1, cool..
Him doing more happy posts... okay...
His great plan how to end the game (which he presented way after the modpost telling about there being no nolynch option, so again, it was not game relevant)
Like I went through his filter again... And there are simply only 3 content posts regarding this game. Everything else is joyful spam (LOCKTOWN!) or him talking about his great plan which again was not about this game... And well... his D4 actions were ultimately lazy...
He ignored all questions directed at him during pretty much the entire game... and was always gone when action happened at most opportune times...
Like it just all fit for him...
And the most solid reasoning for him being townread are actually in the filters of NU and SL. But if this idlestrat was the plan all the time... those comments actually make kinda sense...
Maybe im wifoming myself here... But after all those hard fought battles... I would probably the saddest puppy in the universe if shellshockedNU-randomizerSL and afkOnegu win this game.... Yea I'm gonna have to look through his filter again. It's especially worrying cuz Onegu has already said HF is the lynch no matter what for him. Which then makes sense as to why he kept HF around, simply to vote on him in final 4 and provide 0 logic except, I DONT WANNA LOSE TO YOU. Fuck this game
I mean that's kind what I was thinking. We're in a final 4 and his vote on you is policy lynch... which by definition you can't really argue with or "disprove" because it's a personal policy lol
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On December 10 2016 08:19 Holyflare wrote:
And koshi's plan is totally applicable in about 90% of games. Just not in ones where mafia know the setup before the game starts.
Can you explain why that matters? Honest question not trying to be a jerk
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On December 10 2016 21:20 mahrgell wrote:
@DF
Have you played with SL before? If so, can you describe the game and your performance?
I played with sicklucker once in a cell mafia game. I was town and he was mafia, but I was out of the game (because of the format) before I really interacted with him. I just remembered his posting style to be a bit similar to that game from what I remembered. Other than that, I haven't played with him.
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On December 10 2016 22:59 mahrgell wrote:
@DF:
How confident were you in Emp being scum at EoD4?
I was actually pretty confident when I saw his "sorry town  " post because I felt like that was a post from scum knowing they're going down and apologizing for lying the whole game lol. I didn't think any of his points were great to the point where I would have switched my vote.
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On December 10 2016 23:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm at a friend's Christmas party all weekend so yeh I can't really say much.
Mahr what do you think of df's frustration at me? I find it strange that he's so frustrated with me if he thinks I'm mafia?
Why would I be frustrated with you if I were mafia? Your question implies that i'm mafia without actually saying it.
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On December 11 2016 02:51 mahrgell wrote:
Also, while I'm in funny questions mode:
What was your impression of SLs play d1/n1: Was this the kind of play suited to get himself to lylo and win there? Or "did it just go wrong, or was surviving until the end never the goal?"
My impression was that it was nearly impossible for him to achieve that with this rather chaotic and strange play... And the general consensus on him n1/d2 seems to somehow agree with that.
I actually didn't read the cell game closely after I died. His posting style just seemed very bad.
On November 30 2016 07:30 darthfoley wrote:It's actually pretty crazy how bad sicklucker's filter is. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 19:16 sicklucker wrote:On November 29 2016 19:06 Koshi wrote:
Checkm8 and EC are town.
Shapelog is town.
Mahrgell is town.
LS is town.
Darthfoley is town.
List grows. meh. check has like 2 posts i noticed that can be either but as a first time player im sure he will spew himself by the end of the day. I didnt read any of darthfoleys posts but I can agree that sl mahr ls are likely towna This is so lazy and never explains anything. I only had like five posts at this point and he chose not to read any of them? Also provides no reason why he agrees with town reads. Show nested quote +On November 29 2016 19:18 sicklucker wrote:
shapelogs and ls's interactions were pretty horrible but very town. Also shapelog is obviously the cop and if hes not im going to convince mafia he is so they shot him What made them horrible, and why does their interactions being horrible make them "very town"? When I think of "horrible" interactions, I think of two mafia buddies not knowing how to interact with each other in the thread He's a fine (at worst) policy lynch so far to be continued
On November 30 2016 15:52 darthfoley wrote:
I like Ticktock's list post at first glance tbh. As of now I think either sicklucker, HF, or emperor to be reasonable D1 lynches.
I'll also have to take a look back at Onegu's filter. Been a bit lazy about it
On November 30 2016 15:53 darthfoley wrote:
i'm getting actually annoyed with sicklucker's posting. so much agreement, so few original points l0l
On December 01 2016 03:37 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 03:11 mahrgell wrote:
To bring up my unanswered question from earlier:
@Tictock: (voting emp) : You had a full scumread on emp, half scum on NU. You think they both can be scum? Will you stay on Emp?
@Rels: (voting HF): Quite a while since you posted. Still convinced on HF? He posted quite some stuff since then. If this train dies down (seems like it) what is your updated opinion on NU vs Emp.
@DF: (voting HF): You mentioned you consider HF,SL or Emp as viable lynches. HF and SL posted. So you are now on Emp if it would come down to Emp vs NU?
@CM8: (not voting): Can you stop playing clueless noob? Like I don't care if you are clueless or not. But you must have an opinion. Your strongest wording so far was some mistrust on NU (why? because others made good arguments on him?) and some weak stuff on Onegu. We are lynching someone soon. Can you become more concrete and post with a bit more confidence? If you were a dayvig, who would you shoot now? To answer your question, i'm willing to leave HF be for D1-- i'll defer to more experienced players regarding the utility of keeping him in the game if he's town (basically not being a smart D1 lynch). The one thing I remember sticking out to me that I liked from HF was how he called out Rels's mahrgell read. Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 22:10 Holyflare wrote:
If I had a gun I would shoot nu because it gives so much information about a lot of people. It would give extra light to koshi's theories and maybe make people take some harder stances before then. I expect people to be active around deadline and I'll try and write something useful for it.
I don't know why you liked onegu's post though it said absolutely nothing other than hard defending me when I don't need to be and are one of the hardest people to read on this site.
Lynch nu for info/possibly mafia
Onegu for likely mafia
Probably rels or one of the people I haven't read.
You should comment on what I wrote about rels btw. He said you looked nothing like town you and did absolutely nothing about it and instead pushed me who was going after someone he said looked weird. Just because you mistook me for Skynx shouldn't change his dislike of your "new style". That post is very town to me. I originally read Rels as town for kinda backing of mahrgell on that post, but in retrospect he backed off for no real explained reason which is not something I remember town!Rels doing much in the games I've played with him. Similarly I liked emporer's post about TT and I thought he brought up good points regarding how TT was basically disagreeing with all his townreads and voting for someone all his town reads were town reading. That progression doesn't really make sense. I liked TT's post at first glance but I was kinda lazy and didn't analyze it carefully last night. Don't think emperor is the right lynch. I still think sicklucker has been pretty inadequate. I agree that D1 is generally annoying and really arbitrary, but him parking his vote 4 hours before the deadline and peacing out has approximately 0 town vibes to it. This might not be a thing but I also found it weird how sicklucker voted in the vote thread but didn't announce it in the discussion thread. Maybe that's normal for people to do but i've never seen it.Checkm8 has disappeared, i'd like a reminder as to why people think captain newb is town. I'll have to reexamine NU. Don't like this universal town read on LS, considering that's how he won the last game i played with him. I still haven't seen any reasons to town read him besides "tonal/vibes/feels" that I don't share. Before examining the cases on NU, I think TT is a pretty good lynch right now considering I think his claim that he's playing D1 like he always does is pretty shite, along with emp's case. ##Unvote
This was and still is my interpretation of SL d1.
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On December 11 2016 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
No, if someone is mafia it's df for posting his bs defence 2 mins till deadline while "thinking" emp is mafia amd his response to mahr's slip. And him being angry at me while calling me mafia. None of it makes sense tbh.
then fucking vote me and stop being annoying about it
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I honestly agree with mahrgell. You were an asshole and super cocky early game and now you want to simply appeal to emotion and throw shade on everyone and do sad faces that someone could be so mean to make fun of your name (( as if you didn't spend the first week irl being a dick to mahrgell.
I'm not going to vote for mahrgell and if that was a scum slip, so be it. You say to "literally vote you" and you'll go AFK then you post 4 more times within 30 minutes.
mahrgell makes multiple good points on you, you even say "touché" on your main locktown point when he logically fucks you, then you proceed to call everyone who cases you a BADDIE OMGUS STUPID NARRATIVES!!!!
I'm putting my vote on you.
##Vote: HolyFlare
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On December 11 2016 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
Like fuck i was right about his posts being super genuine around the slip and his good analysis on tt but then wifom machine to max.
i wonder how you could be so right?! 
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On December 10 2016 07:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 07:43 mahrgell wrote:On December 10 2016 07:42 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2016 07:39 darthfoley wrote:On December 10 2016 07:36 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2016 07:31 darthfoley wrote:
HerculesFlare why are you still alive in a final 4? Because the jk can jk the same target every night. Did you forget again? So the mafia were so scared of a JK that they kept you into the final 4? Guess the mafia doesn't have any balls... except they targeted Koshi N1 I don't know why you keep trying to weave this logic. Koshi was a fine kill and also technically a medic dodge (by virtue of me being jk). There's only one possible night in this entire game where mafia has had some chance at killing me and that was night 2 where I was also a likely jk target. You were a likely JK target? So it would make sense that SL carried the KP if you were scum together? Ah, touche. I forgot it was that night.
Touche! Touche!
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mahrgell's case makes sense but you're town :/
On December 01 2016 00:55 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Koshi's case on me is great, but I'm town :/
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On December 11 2016 08:12 Holyflare wrote:
There's no reason for you to be here. I'm not defending myself. I'm telling everyone to vote me. You don't need to bury me in anything.
On December 11 2016 08:10 Holyflare wrote:
When did i appeal to emotion because you called me a name? I was annoyed because you're stating shitty indefensible arguments about why I was mafia that involved me knowing what mafia was thinking and then repeatedly quoting one part of my post and using circular logic ("but mafia are dumb now they're not dumb!")
that doesn't sound too defensive, it's just OMGUS
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On December 11 2016 08:12 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 08:10 darthfoley wrote:On December 11 2016 07:47 Holyflare wrote:
Like fuck i was right about his posts being super genuine around the slip and his good analysis on tt but then wifom machine to max. i wonder how you could be so right?! I'm telling you to vote me. I'm not disputing anything. You're right I'm mafia. You can go afk now.
Nah, i'm going to vote for you and continue to play the game the way I want to play the game.
Basically I want to analyze Onegu with mahrgell, so yea i'm going to play the game. Thanks for telling me to not play the game though
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I already voted for you asshat, you can stop
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On December 11 2016 08:20 Holyflare wrote:
Then what is there to analyse?
Whatever the fuck I want. Thank god there is 48 hours to every day!
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On December 11 2016 07:40 Holyflare wrote:
No, if someone is mafia it's df for posting his bs defence 2 mins till deadline while "thinking" emp is mafia amd his response to mahr's slip. And him being angry at me while calling me mafia. None of it makes sense tbh.
no ifs mate, there's definitely a mafia in the game!
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Aren't you supposed to be afk?
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On December 11 2016 08:35 mahrgell wrote:
Hmm... so everyone slinging shit and doing funny WIFOM...
I guess we talk tomorrow then... maybe there is more reason in the game then...
You made a reasonable post that I agreed with and hf just said that it was terrible but you should vote for him. Don't know how you're supposed to converse if everything is WIFOM and OMGUS
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On December 11 2016 09:42 mahrgell wrote:http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26225656This defense, 3 minutes before deadline with a sealed lynch on Emp who DF was certain to be last scum (so game should have ended) Given that this triggered most of the mess N4 had become... I seriously wonder if you read the game.
Where did you get the opinion that I was certain he was mafia? That's not true.
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On December 12 2016 11:31 Onegu wrote:
I HAVE FIGURED THE GAME OUT.
The key is SL filter.
They bussed each other all game. But when SL started getting pressure he jumped off of DF for very little reason. Moved him out of his scum read.
##Unvote
##Vote Darthfoley
What scum motivation is there to put a lot of pressure on me, then backing off rapidly for no stated reason if we're both scum?
I thought the strategy was to bus each other all game? SL had to know he was going to die and flip red; there is no benefit to doing this with SL so close to his assured lynch because it draws attention to our interactions. But, you'll say this is WIFOM. So, moving on.
I also bolded your post because you conveniently leave out that I was adamantly against leaving both JK claims alive and I wanted to lynch SL almost right after Rels CC'd. Mahrgell and I were the pressure SL felt. Hell, if you wanna talk bussing, all HF mahrgell and I were very hard on him that day and "bussed" him.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 30 2016 23:02 sicklucker wrote:
I dont really think onegu is ever this tryhard as mafia. When I have seen him mafia he mostly trolled and fought me anyway On November 30 2016 23:04 sicklucker wrote:
Like I have played against onegu mafia twice. and both times it was insanely obvious to me so much that i was doing assassination reads before he even flipped based on him being mafia and was right. dont see it here so far. Theres like context and acual thought and shit On November 30 2016 23:15 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2016 19:53 Onegu wrote:On November 30 2016 01:35 mahrgell wrote:On November 30 2016 01:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 01:21 mahrgell wrote:
Btw, NU, what made you lean-T on Onegu? I recognize myself in him, and he's funny. I also think that his "Where is everyone?" and "SL was here then left..." posts were town. However, I don't think he's the most town itt anymore because he has yet to make a serious post which worries me. I can see where Koshi is coming from with the Dandel comparison. Off for a while Hm... I can't agree with your pro town arguments. Like you usually at least have substance. Not necessarily substance I agree with but you have something. If you were scum, and knowing your own meta, wouldn't you just fill up the thread as you usually do but drop the substance? Because this is exactly what I feel is happening with Onegu here. Being funny is not a towntell to me, sorry. (At best it makes him worth to keep around and kill him last. ^^) And not sure how those 2 quoted posts are townish, but well, early game vibes are rather subjective I guess so whatever. This is actually a fairly townish post. The changing of meta is something I do. He is wrong of course, but I do like where is mind is at with this post. On November 30 2016 05:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I here now. Not much has happened. I do think if one of EC or NU was scum it would be NU because he seems a bit opportunistic at times for his push on people (on me and EC) yet at the same he trying to solve the game more than EC. Plus the hidden LS rule that tends to happen: If someone is playing their game with me ever they would try to push me at someway. The only rule that is in this game is the onegu rule and I am not going to bring it up... On November 30 2016 07:20 Rels wrote:HF I hated that one post I quoted earlier. Rest of filter is meaningless. Actually this post is him further going deep down to a pointless argument, which doesn't show the "HF gamesense" Koshi was tlaking about at some point. On November 30 2016 00:51 Holyflare wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the discrepancy I've outlined has gone over your head. Your retort of mockery just furthers my conviction.
If I have to enlighten the dim witted then I shall. The discrepancy is quite clearly that the only questions you ask are targeted at your town reads, who you should be the least wary of, and none to your scum reads, who should naturally be the inverse. I dont like where you are going here. I am really town reading HF hard and the fact that he is more laid back here screams town HF to me. On November 30 2016 07:33 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:30 Rels wrote:On November 29 2016 23:04 Onegu wrote:On November 29 2016 22:50 Holyflare wrote:
Can you give me a quick breakdown of which people fit into which category in that post margarine?
Just a simple:
Would like to know more:
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People solely expanding filter with no content:
I'm very intrigued. I may be padding my filter just so people can be like holy shit onegu has a 5+ page day 1 filter that means he is scum, so I can reinforce my you cant meta read me. But I do think I got some content in there also. Maybe not... Actually you're more tryhard as scum ? His point is that he is now tryharding as town and breaks his meta... It's ridiculous because he hasn't done shit. No my point wasnt tryharding it was posting more. I hate you keep trying to make me look worse than what is there and you keep doing it and you know you shouldnt when it comes to me. You say dont lynch me and then you are all kinds of false shade on me. And really is bothering the fuck out of me. On November 30 2016 07:48 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:45 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 07:18 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 07:01 Rels wrote:
Koshi explain your townread on checkm8 ? His posts more likely come from town than mafia wifoming like a madman. I am a sucker for people that say this: On November 29 2016 23:28 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. Damn, I'm horrible at this. But believe me I'm town...because I'm not chocolate nor mocha... And the post in which he said I was mafia for being too nice. Don't know. It made sense when HF said it came more likely from town. [...] Yeah, I found that last post to be townie as well. Why is LS obvious town to you? Pure meta and feels. I have played with him before. And he even had some good scumhunting somewhere. Well. At least interesting pressure. I completely forgot what it was but it was good. No I am being incorrect. His play is just good. The meta is only a part. The feels are just townfeels I would have with everybody that plays like he does. Saying there is mafia between 2 people because it feels like there is, is bold and can come from a townie. Yes, it could be mafia trying to force town to pick a mafia between the 2 or so but that is not how I read that. It's all good. He is not mafia. My problem with this is iirc he hasnt shown any thought about which one is scum he just says it is TvM with no thoughts about which is which and why. On November 30 2016 07:51 Rels wrote:
Let's kill HF.
##Vote Holyflare Yeah never voting HF. On November 30 2016 09:35 Holyflare wrote:
Anyway, still not capable of being productive in the slightest, sorry. Just really not feeling it. This is town HF 100% On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. My problem is less with how fast and more to do with who started it. Koshi in scum QT HF is being lazy day 1 lets get him lynched so we dont have to waste a bullet on him. Then people see koshi and start doing that. I really feel koshi is scum here again. On November 30 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF. If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains. This feels like a weird discussion. 3 votes is hardly a quickly formed wagon. I'm also not sure how HF being considered a good player is relevant to him being pushed like this. In fact I had the opposite reaction, that the people pushing him are more likely to be town given they were pushing a "stonger" player. HF being the player is pretty subjective as well. I'm probably biased, or maybe I just missed him in his prime, but I haven't seen why people have this opinion about him. This is so wrong. So wrong. A strong scum player wants a strong town player out of the game. And if one of the biggest things I can point toward koshi is he has some large brass balls and would want to go after HF. You thinking it is town to do so is much less. People dont want to lynch the better players day 1 as town. I want HF in this game if he is a question mark and I think he is town not a question mark. Because I know if he is town he will catch scum 100%. Koshi pushing a HF lynch is much more a scum tell than a town tell. On November 30 2016 13:04 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 13:01 emperorchampion wrote:On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 30 2016 12:52 emperorchampion wrote:On November 29 2016 22:59 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 22:53 Checkm8 wrote:On November 29 2016 22:00 Koshi wrote:Or explain to me how HF his post was not unnecessarily combative. And why me calling him out on a friendly way is mafia. + Show Spoiler + Because it's a little too friendly? I dunno, like I said, it's a gut read. And I didn't say that his post was unnecessary and aggressive and trolly, it's just that in most games I've played (ToS games) the friendly ones are usually evil roles trying to win town's affection or something.
On November 29 2016 17:08 Checkm8 wrote:
I'm siding with Onegu just because I play dota like him (bros)
And leaning scum towards LS because he plays league (dota before hoes)
And farming 15 mins for blink dagger is one that requires skill, something league players need to have :3
Calix is a girl! I thought girls are imaginary in the internet.
No srsly I feel that NU is scummy as he's trying to pull something out of thin air from LS' comments...I personally think that LS' comments were something that you throw in there as something friendly or something to start conversations with...using that as a scum read feels too shallow, tho it's understandable as there's nothing too concrete at day 1. Still leaning towards NU as scum. This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. On November 30 2016 12:53 emperorchampion wrote:
@NU, to answer a previous question: started thinking you were looking pretty bad, went to thinking you were OK and should maybe be left alone, now back to looking pretty bad. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? I dont like posts like this at this point in time. EC hasnt done much of anything and he comes into the thread with asking someone for reads. Seems lazy and wanting to look like he is contributing without actually contributing.... On November 30 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 13:05 NeverUnlucky wrote:On November 29 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
i just want to believe your not claiming power role but you probably are Nobody flagged this????????????? This is so fucking scummy, it's like Lunaticman's entry in that other newbie game where he blue read Stutters for [reasons?]. Why in the world would his reaction to LS asking others to trust him be that he is a PR? LS has a bit of a history of claiming blue unnecessarily or way too early, pretty sure that was a jab at that. It's a fairly old meta though. I find this less strange than the people who took Shapes cop claim seriously. LS knows I am in this game and he knows a very good way to destroy onegus sanity and make in go off the deep end fully onto LS is to make a serious claim day 1. On November 30 2016 13:42 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 12:58 Tictock wrote:On November 30 2016 12:01 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. I mean that may be true but i was unaware of this meta point when I voted on him. Never played a game with HF. If he's one of the best players it's equally suspicious that he's spent a strange amount of time on D1 beating the mahrgell horse to death. Especially considering it doesn't look like mahrgell will be one of the realistic D1 trains. This feels like a weird discussion. 3 votes is hardly a quickly formed wagon. I'm also not sure how HF being considered a good player is relevant to him being pushed like this. In fact I had the opposite reaction, that the people pushing him are more likely to be town given they were pushing a "stonger" player. HF being the player is pretty subjective as well. I'm probably biased, or maybe I just missed him in his prime, but I haven't seen why people have this opinion about him. 3 in a small time frame is kinda quick tbh or my definition of quick. Anyways HF during his prime was probably the best player to had played the game as both alignments. Right now ask yourself why town Koshi goes after HF and not adapt a more wait and see. There are much more scummy reasons for Koshi to go after HF. Before the pressure on HF, HF floated the idea that Koshi is scum. Koshi knows that if there is one person in this game besides onegu who can push his lynch and get it done it is HF. In this Koshi is much more likely to be scum than town. On November 30 2016 15:49 sicklucker wrote:
ya i dont know why you morons want to lynch hf day 1. I would sheep him way before I would lynch him. I agree with alot of his points TRUTH On November 30 2016 17:29 Koshi wrote:On November 30 2016 11:51 LightningStrike wrote:On November 30 2016 11:41 darthfoley wrote:On November 30 2016 11:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Also kinda disliking the HF wagon that formed rather quickly but then again the last time I said about a wagon on HF forming quickly was when HF was scum so (shrugs). I mean his filter is basically calling mahrgell shit, not posting about anyone else, then saying he doesn't feel like doing shit. That's someone you prefer to keep around? He is considered one of the best players regardless of his alignment to play. My biggest issue again is how quickly the wagon formed. Most of the time when a wagon forms fast that person is likely town or a weak scum player and hf isn't considered a weak scum player normally. second person who says this but I am pretty sure it is only Rels and I who voted him. And I pasted my voted after Rels to just give the wagon some more prominence. It's all good. HF is maybe not mafia but it is not because the wagon formed on him too quickly. Please disregard that idea. Lol just LoL I have no evidence that onegu is capable of this much thought and text as mafia from my limited experience. mostly hes just combatant and trolly but he has avoided that On December 03 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2016 19:38 Tictock wrote:Here is the world where Shape/CM8/SL/Onegu are all town. ![[image loading]](https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o85xzEtQs693ln3qM/giphy.gif) I mean im pretty sure thats this world lol. well 35% ish cm8 is a flip rest are town a bunch of the time On December 04 2016 02:10 sicklucker wrote:
Emp
HolyFlare
huge drop
Ls
Mahr
onegu
shapelog
Ticktock
checkm8??? who
Rels
Darthfole
about where im at. Maybe rels was a bit omgus but fuck that guy. his read looked super forced and oputunistic
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On December 06 2016 02:04 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 02:03 mahrgell wrote:On December 06 2016 02:01 sicklucker wrote:
I still think hf is a lock town but its laughable how wrong hes been about everything this game. which is probably a reason to think hes town ec Now you called Emp town, HF town, Rels JK. Unless you are posting seals, I guess you wanna call yourself town too... Who is scum? ticktock one of you or onegu. pretty easy poe. probably you. maybe df too tho but less likely On December 06 2016 02:39 sicklucker wrote:
Darth completely mia is fucking weird since hes been really active. I dont see how ticktocks not fucking mafia this game since I had a tentative town read on onegu whos hard to read and not even playing so also a question mark. Your fucking saying alot of things and not making much sense and seem to know im not the real j/k. which is what mafia fucking knows since they didnt kill me On December 06 2016 02:44 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 02:40 emperorchampion wrote:
mahrg is pretty town bruh, still trying to solve the game and act in a towny fashion. He's actually kept the activity up all throughout. I can agree to that which is why its hard to find the last mafia for me. I dont have alot of options and I thought they were all townie pre rels bullshit. and onegus voting ticktock which is townie afaik since I know im town On December 06 2016 06:29 sicklucker wrote:
I would vote emp to save ticktock. think onegus way better tho
This read progression gives me the heebiejeebies. First he town reads Onegu for saying Onegu doesn't try hard when he's mafia, he plays trolly mafia. There are two problems with this: one, the consensus was that Onegu was playing the early game trolly, or as HF would say, “like a shitter.” Secondly, that opinion of Onegu's scum playstyle directly contradicts Koshi's opinion who we know was town and therefore wasn't trying to deceive.
On November 29 2016 19:14 Koshi wrote:
If you read these people their post; Checkm8, EC, Mahrgell you can see they are the same alignment because their posts on NeverUnlucky. Even if NU is not red.
Shape can still be mafia but his post on NU also went the right way. Just wishy washy as fuck and that is standard town!Shape. He knows whats up but couldn't nail it yet.
darthfoley just solid posting. Shouldn't be considered atm.
LS is my bro. Town posting style.
Onegu would be playing out of the box mafia. But he is out of the box tryhard mafia. But he is doing too good of a job atm. So not lynchable.
HF disappointing atm. Hopefully picks it up.
TT also mafia.
He's also indirectly stating that Onegu is “tryharding” this game when at the time, he had only put out one content post worth a damn. SL then spends half the game town reading Onegu for shit Onegu did D1. What really makes me suspicious is his reads late game, when he knows he's going to get lynched and flip red. It almost feels as if he realizes that his filter interaction with Onegu was lacking, so he puts out a few posts claiming Onegu is a “question mark” (yet still somehow a town read?) but then finishes by saying Onegu is a better lynch than emperorchampion (who SL had been town reading all game). Now, of course SL is “lying” in his reads because they aren't genuine, but he never actually tries to go after Onegu after saying he would be a good lynch. To me it seems like ultimate panic hedging.
My concern has only gotten worse since I checked Onegu's filter and a ctrl+F only found 7 results for an interaction with sicklucker. To me, it kinda makes sense that their interactions would be so peripheral IF they're both mafia, and Onegu is telling the truth when he says
On December 11 2016 02:01 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 23:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 10 2016 22:25 mahrgell wrote:
Also can anyone describe me SLs character?
Like is he closer to Onegu or to HF/Koshi? A not caring funplayer or another selfcentered vet? Or completely different? A conspiracy nut loon that does his own thing. Wow this is really what you are putting here? Me and SL are almost as bad as me and Koshi. IE we dont really get along. I was actually surprised he was jokey with me this game. It should have put off warning bells for me but didnt.Like HF wrote is is a nut and tries to make big plays just so he can. But his relationship with HF is much better than it is with me. And the self centered vet part is true.
If you have terrible interpersonal chemistry, it makes sense why you'd try to stay out of each other's way, even if it's subconscious.
I'm becoming less confident in my vote on HF, cuz that would require SL to super bus NU and super duper town read HF. I need to go to bed now, but i'll have some time tomorrow to analyze NU's filter and go through SL + mahrgell.
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