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On December 05 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote: Can I make a suggestion? Can we actually not discuss any claims today? I'd really like that. But what if I want to lynch one of the people who claimed? And I really want to do that right now... If I'm not allowed to talk about it, I have to lynch you and it has to wait for the next day.... | ||
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Make up your mind if we are discussing claims or not. | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote: Discuss whatever you want. Don't hide behind walls of text though please. Okay, then I'm more inclined to believe Rels=Scum than Rels=JK. What is this claim? Why do that at EoN???? The only difference between doing that and doing it after EoN is that he was able to tell us his ultra valuable blocks in case he dies. Why on earth would he ever expect to die here? Like WHY? It ain't gonna happen. There was nothing at him pointing to be JK... Scum either shoots SL, because they believe him, or they go hunting... And then I think LS and me were the candidates... (I actually was fairly sure LS was blue... looks like I wasn't alone...) And if you really expect to die... Do you really only post those highly valuable targets??? He didn't post anything but that. I just looked at his filter again... He didn't give any proper reads that night... All he wanted to leave us are his targets? | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote: That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over If you are JK and not Scum, you are dead next night. | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:21 emperorchampion wrote: This is why we focus on finding the partner. Maf has to kill the jailor at some point since they're super strong (and get stronger as there are less players) with no RB. Whichever one dies, we just lynch the other one. I'm willing to follow that idea... Lynching Rels may horribly backfire if it goes wrong... | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + If I would get a shot, it would be on TT. In his D1/N1 play there is absolutely nothing conclusive. Everything was completely viable as town or as scum. I disliked his tmi-accident early in D2. His excuse can be legit, so well... But it is just the vibes... D2 was kinda sleepy and there was not much action by anyone, but from gut feeling I always got that TT was actively promoting this sleepiness. This bad feeling also got reinforced after the SL claim: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=1889&topic_id=515094 This was not a heat of the moment post. Also he does not call SL scum. He calls him not-JK. Now why on earth would a townie do that? He suspects him to be VT? Then you do not fucking call that out in this clear way at middle of the night. Scum won't suddenly start shooting themselves because they realize the guy is not JK. One has to die. And if it is VT-SL, hell yeah, get him NKed. Now you may ask what is the difference between HF and TT... Imho it lies in the subtleness. HFs posts were formed so much weaker than this, more adressing on a subconcious level, and I'm not even sure he intended to crumb that idea or just slipped it. But TT openly and intentionally promoted that idea after thinking about it. This is imho a big difference. Now I'm also aware that this goes against the scum strategy of drawing a CC, if they realized SL was fake. But I can't describe it, it looks wrong here. Like as he was distancing himself already from a mislynch on SL. (Compare it to HF again. Imho there is a huge difference. Distancing fails when nobody notices you moved away...) Similarly I can not understand his train of thoughts with the shades he threw N2. Yes of course, everyone has to be doubted at this point... If you don't do that, you are probably scum or not paying attention, or you really think you solved the game. But his shade throws feel so... weird. Shading Onegu, yeah.. makes sense, but is also a viable scumstrat to shade the afk. (and all his scumreads had been the afk so far) And then me and Emp? For what? For not adding a 6th and 7th vote to the shlog train to be "not associated?" WTF? Is this really all you got? Like I'm pretty sure I can be suspected... But thats the trigger point? And with Emp I do not understand it at all. If you want to throw all the reasons why Emp is townread by most out of the window just for this? Emp had some post N3 which gave me a slight doubt. But offvoting is certainly not one of them. Again it just feels like TT is not actively playing, but just posting stuff that seems like content and which are seemingly his thoughts, but he never actually had those thoughts, because he would have noticed how off they are. He made another read summary later, which changed some stuff and looking at it isolated it again makes sense for a townie to think that way. But I don't like the way there. Oh, and im a sucker for such posts, it gave me bad vibes when it was posted... Given the flips and SL situation those vibes are like really really bad... + Show Spoiler + On December 03 2016 19:38 Tictock wrote: Here is the world where Shape/CM8/SL/Onegu are all town. ![[image loading]](https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o85xzEtQs693ln3qM/giphy.gif) Now I think nothing individually is 100% conclusive here. But it is just a large collection of really bad vibes since the start of D2 and the lack of any strong reason to make me believe he is town. Just too much has to come together to make him town at this point. ##vote Tictock | ||
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Rels play doesn't make any sense to me if he is the JK (regardless of where the submission deadline is, which I believed to be at beginning of silence period too). SL's play is confusing me no less though. I can understand him not talking about the claims, if he is really VT fakeclaiming to take the bullet and unsure about Rels being the real deal. But I can not understand him not joining the scumhunt today. He has no reason to hold back now and contribute to the town... HF seems to be flailing right now, has now probably accused every possible pairing of being scum... Can you settle your mind and post some proper reasoning for your final idea? TT continues his "I only play with afk's, so lets wait for Onegu and ignore everyone else" line, while I have seen nothing from him that really makes me feel he is town at this point. My bad feeling about TT is that I'm not 100% sure how him being scum fits into the rest of the game, but judging him alone, he remains my topscum. The stuff HF had on Emp looked at least worth looking into. Judging just from recent content though, while I think it could indeed be scum agenda to stir the chaos that has befallen this discussion, his D3 play so far looked like him trying to solve the game though. Similar can be said about DF and combined with the his general play he is probably the most towny player for me. Oh, and Onegu is still the absolute wildcard. Like I'm really frustrated at this point. The only thing he has going for himself is what everyone considers an NU spew. Basically, if this is wrong, Onegu is scum, it makes perfect sense for him to play exactly the way he does, doing absolutely nothing but bringing excuses after excuses why he is again gone for the whole day. Point is, that with the number of suspects I feel like we almost have to rely on him being town... | ||
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If we assume Rels: Scum or JK SL: VT or Scum Then as long as there is no CC for Doc/JK... Rels has to be the JK here. So I'm inclined to follow the call for a CC, if there is any... I'm just not so sure how this automatically makes SL scum and I'm having kinda bad feelings about the amount of players pushing this idea here. If there is something concerning about SL, it is everything but his JK claim... | ||
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I said this earlier: - there is no point in claiming before EoN. You dying would have been the ultimate freak accident. You could have claimed after EoN - i you really thought you die, those blocks were not really telling much. They are not conclusive to anything. Somehow everyone seems to believe HF was blockworthy N1... Then if he is scum, he certainly won't carry there. The N2 block somehow rules out a SL/HF team, I guess... Not sure here. - if you thought you would die... why not drop reads? ANYTHING? Saying you had nothing to say is just... meh. - your continuation on how you could confirm guys all the rest of the game again reminds me of your N2. The idea collapses the moment you really try to go that way. If you are not scum, you are dead next night unless you block scum. So you get exactly ONE chance. Thats it. And no, this is not making the game easy. Seriously, there is exactly one reason to believe you right now. And this is the lack of CC. | ||
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On December 05 2016 20:20 Rels wrote: marhgell, the probability that SL fakeclaimed at night is like 0.01%; it's low to begin with, but here he posted after the night ended and didn't rescind his claim, which is the first thing he would have done as town. You are really making me hate you right now. If he is VT, fakeclaiming... Then for sure as hell he will not rescind his claim at day AFTER you claimed. VT fakeclaiming will rescind when there is no CC. But when there is a CC, he basically has to go with it... And somehow hope scum is confused with the number of options. This was basically my reasoning on why I was willing to drop the discussion... But well... yeah, by now even the last scum has probably figured this shit out. | ||
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On December 05 2016 20:25 Holyflare wrote: Who gives a shit anyway. Just go through emperor posts instead. I will do that at the evening... Originally just wanted to drop in, got stuck here longer than I actually wanted... In the meantime tell me why TT is town ^.^ | ||
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On December 05 2016 20:37 Holyflare wrote: I don't believe you're so hung up on SL's tmi yesterday and now you've completely forgotten about it and think he might be vt. Did that tmi just vanish? You could have read my EoN post. Then again why would you read anything I say, when your only answer will be "you are shit, you are wrong" without ever giving any proper reasoning... But to answer it again: It was you who circulated the idea of him being VT first. This was later echoed by DF (i think?) and TT. The entire idea did not cross my mind before it was brought up in the thread. In my book this originally was just the usual "desperate scum, trying to get a CC" play as I have seen it time and time again in RL mafia. So it was a reflex to throw it away. I never considered the implications of a night time claim and only did after you pointed it out. But now you are suddenly questioning me, because I for once believed you made sense? Good stuff! And with that... And it absolutely puzzles me how you suddenly 180° on that shit. So either you are claiming to have the memory of a gold fish (which kinda goes against your "im the god of this game" ego trip) or you actually pulling some really weird stunt here... Like I'm trying really hard to find any way how your play is currently makes sense... | ||
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On December 05 2016 20:45 Rels wrote: You're really tunneled mate. p: Let's try once again : - I'm gonna cc today no matter what - Since I'm gonna cc, the best thing is to do it JUST BEFORE the end of night, because: ==> there is no cons to do it that way, since scum can't react to the cc ==> there is a pro: if for some reason I die (and, I undersatnd if you don't pbelieve it seeing my play these last two games, but I'm night killed quite often: click "Profile" for proof), my targets are in the thread The huge con is, that if SL is VT and unclaims at day, you would not have to claim.... But as long as there is no CC to you, I simply have to believe you to be JK and see no point in continueing this argument. Doesn't make me think your play is correct, though but we can discuss this postgame. | ||
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On December 05 2016 20:47 Rels wrote: You're not thinking logically. You gotta read this: IF SICKLUCKER IS TOWN AND FAKECLAIMING TO DRAW A BULLET HE WILL RESCIND IF HE S COUNTERCLAIMED DURING THE DAY. Why would he not ? Why would he try to get me lynched when he KNOWS I'm the Jailkeeper ? Your reasonning doesn't make any sense When did he try to get you lynched??? Not seeing it. Actually the thread consensus was to leave you both alone. And in this atmosphere, if he believes you are both protown, he should keep his claim for maximum uncertainity on who is the real one. So again, who is not making sense here? | ||
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On December 05 2016 20:58 Holyflare wrote: Can mahr be mafia? I think it's emp but the amount of stubborn bs reads that margo has said is reaching new levels. Was missing that already. You can't feel happy without doing one of those every couple of hours. | ||
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- at start of N2, VT!SL fake claims JK, as it seems like he is railroad lynch anyway and we repeat a shlog D2 with no progress at all. I can indeed see him prepping this move with the TMI on D2. - in the thread 3 people clearly point out that he could very well be VT - the absolute silence with nobody daring to talk about the claim afterwards kinda reinforced this idea, imho - there were 2 people who actually initially doubted this claim and thought it was a scummove... LS and Me - LS is shot at night and somehow Rels thinks he has to CC.... - cheers in scumQT - now suddenly again everyone is jumping SL, making all scum dreams come true. Shot a guy, found JK, get another mislynch - there is one noob who massively goes against another railroad, but hey... lets just afk, discredit him, whatever... - SL is lynched, flips green - Rels dies at night, because he misses his save - we all happily lynch this fucking noob, cuz clearly TMI, must be scum - GG Like what really rings my bell here is, that nobody even sees the point of why it actually makes sense for VT!SL to play that way... Or well... more like: everyone refuses to see it. My point is not " SL must be VT". His complete lack of D3 play is actually disturbing me greatly, because I would expect him to now contribute. He doesn't have to play Chaos anymore, he did his job. But my point is that people are clearly willing to lynch him for shit arguments. And nobody is stepping up and noticing that those are shit, but everyone is letting it happen. And in the case of HF, we get this complete 180° from his night posts to his day posts. Also I would like to again remind you of TT! What has he done so far people refuse looking into him? There is 2 people on him. Onegu and me. I have posted my reasons. Still the guy repeats few times how he has to wait for Onegus case. And Onegu is completely missing... And HF tells us to never look at Onegu, because Emp and SL is all we have to look at... So yes, I really have this TT+HF scum idea here in my head. TT could easily carry the NK both nights, with him always being in the middle of the pack. Alternatively I still see TT+Onegu with Onegu basically just maximizing distance by "afkvoting" TT without any case and then jumping in later when he needs to or just staying afk. I havent reread Emp yet (should really do that...) so im not sure if he would fit in that too. And as there is seemingly no resistance at all to this railroad... Either scum stopped playing or they are really busy posting all kinds of celebratory gifs in their QT. | ||
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On December 04 2016 07:37 Holyflare wrote: Eithwr way I don't know how it makes me confirmed town since kp is carried I definitely wouldn't carry it. Also the fact that regardless of if SL is jk or not I think that claim makes him town. On December 04 2016 07:44 Holyflare wrote: No it doesn't, it makes him definite town. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy228/jade95_2010/Misc%20Animals/Aquatic/Goldfish7.gif) | ||
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