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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 22:13 GMT
#2258
On December 06 2016 07:11 darthfoley wrote:
I think it makes sense more from scum perspective not the other way around


i.e., that sl+hf are a team?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 22:17 GMT
#2261
On December 06 2016 07:10 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 03:52 mahrgell wrote:
On December 06 2016 03:35 Tictock wrote:

Also @ Gell
What about my play makes you think I'm just waiting for Onegu to post? Did I just wait around D2 waiting for Shape as well?


You acknowledge Onegus vote and wait for Onegu to case you twice... And simply ignore the stuff thats already out there. Why you ask him out? Why not come for me or respond there.

Even Emp clearly had doubts here. Why not ask him why he distrusts you?

Making it look like a lynch on you only depends on an afk is just... beh. And really not a first in this game... Like most your "interaction" this game has been with afks... Talking to people who can respond is more fruitful...

On December 05 2016 07:43 Tictock wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:19 mahrgell wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I think we leave Rels/sl since having the jk alive is pretty good, mafia has to target them at some point. If we can find the partner then the game is actually 100% over.

That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over


If you are JK and not Scum, you are dead next night.



Or he can be town and trying to eat a shot... there are other options... its wifom and we should figure it out later...


Exactly it's all a pile of WIFOM that is best just left aside for now.

I'm more interested in hearing why you think I'm scum now.



On December 05 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Unless I'm off base with darth/mahrgell this game is really down to Onegu v TT. If Onegu can make a convincing case, then this game could be in a very very good position.


Good to know my life is in Onegu's hands.

Better be a good case if I'm gunna get hanged for it.



That last quate was me being snarky at Emps post because he was basically saying he thought I was Scum but was waiting for Onegu to case me.

Otherwise I've just been posting as I see fit and pushing Onegu to case me.


2 birds 1 stone. If Onegu can make a compelling case, there's reason to town read him. That's why I want him to step up.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 22:18 GMT
#2262
On December 06 2016 07:16 darthfoley wrote:
I'm confused to what your claiming.

I think SL is mafia and if that's the case HF has to be town. But I think he's town regardless


OK I just don't know what you're referring too cause you didn't quote anything
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 22:19 GMT
#2263
@TT: Do you think you found scum in me? What is your play right now?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 22:30 GMT
#2268
On December 06 2016 06:42 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 02:28 emperorchampion wrote:
I just can't wrap my head around how sl's fake claim has town intent. I guess I'll believe his reasons if he flips green.


This is such a mafia post, you don't call out someone fake claiming with 0 Town intent then imply they are gunna flip green.

Starting to buy the world of Emp/SL here.

If we can be sure Onegu is town then you guys can even lynch between me/Emp/SL.

I'm not sure I can buy Gell or Darth being scum. I could see HF maybe still, but I can follow his train of thought pretty well today. Besides half my read on him is just paranoia.

With Rels being JK I think you guys should be forming a town circle between Rels/Gell/Darth and trying to rule out mafia from there.


I'm not implying anything. I just don't believe that he claims jailer as town at night anymore. If he does flip green then I was wrong and his crazy reasons were true, and woe is me.

Please make a proper case on me TT instead of just quoting a bunch of posts that I've made.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 22:54 GMT
#2276
Ugh Rels help me, this feels exactly like when prplhz dropped the hammer in our last game. I have this problem where I think that if a play is bad for town it must be mafia.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 23:04 GMT
#2278
On December 06 2016 07:53 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 06 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote:
On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro.


Right now my stance looks like this:

1. Rels
9. mahrgell
6. darthfoley
12. Tictock

2. Holyflare
4. Onegu

11. sicklucker


Wtf, how did HF drop so much in your reads without you interacting with him this whole time?


Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out.


So, like what are your actual thoughts on HF, why is he super scummy now?

Combination of:
1) Wants to lynch me.
2) I don't like how much time he's spent proving how town he must be, I just want him to find some mafia.
3) Tin-foil with possible teams, sl/hf seems un-likely but I don't know on the others.

I just don't know on so many things now.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 23:06 GMT
#2280
On December 06 2016 07:57 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 07:17 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 06 2016 07:10 Tictock wrote:
On December 06 2016 03:52 mahrgell wrote:
On December 06 2016 03:35 Tictock wrote:

Also @ Gell
What about my play makes you think I'm just waiting for Onegu to post? Did I just wait around D2 waiting for Shape as well?


You acknowledge Onegus vote and wait for Onegu to case you twice... And simply ignore the stuff thats already out there. Why you ask him out? Why not come for me or respond there.

Even Emp clearly had doubts here. Why not ask him why he distrusts you?

Making it look like a lynch on you only depends on an afk is just... beh. And really not a first in this game... Like most your "interaction" this game has been with afks... Talking to people who can respond is more fruitful...

On December 05 2016 07:43 Tictock wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:19 mahrgell wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:05 emperorchampion wrote:
I think we leave Rels/sl since having the jk alive is pretty good, mafia has to target them at some point. If we can find the partner then the game is actually 100% over.

That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over


If you are JK and not Scum, you are dead next night.



Or he can be town and trying to eat a shot... there are other options... its wifom and we should figure it out later...


Exactly it's all a pile of WIFOM that is best just left aside for now.

I'm more interested in hearing why you think I'm scum now.



On December 05 2016 13:11 Tictock wrote:
On December 05 2016 07:49 emperorchampion wrote:
Unless I'm off base with darth/mahrgell this game is really down to Onegu v TT. If Onegu can make a convincing case, then this game could be in a very very good position.


Good to know my life is in Onegu's hands.

Better be a good case if I'm gunna get hanged for it.



That last quate was me being snarky at Emps post because he was basically saying he thought I was Scum but was waiting for Onegu to case me.

Otherwise I've just been posting as I see fit and pushing Onegu to case me.


2 birds 1 stone. If Onegu can make a compelling case, there's reason to town read him. That's why I want him to step up.


Right so I doesn't matter what you think of me, it's Onegu who decides what you think about me.


Not that at all. I still care what I think about you, if he has a good case potentially more reasons to scum read you. And reasons to town read him. If he has a shit case then reasons to scum read him. Looking bad for him right now since he just afk voted you and said he'd provide a case later.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 23:31 GMT
#2283
@TT you don't think that sl can flip green? For me it's like red 60/40 green idk.

With regards to HF I'm running out of other people who can be mafia. Could be darth maybe, or mahrgell, but I'd take them over HF. You, I'm really not sure on. Plenty of reasons to scum read you I suppose, but I think you've played well last day or so.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 23:40 GMT
#2285
On December 06 2016 08:34 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 08:15 Tictock wrote:
On December 06 2016 07:19 emperorchampion wrote:
@TT: Do you think you found scum in me? What is your play right now?


Right now I'm seeing a lot of people posting new thoughts about the game.

The two people who most stand out as not really adding new thinking and posting more reactionary are you and SL.

SL is basically just defending himself which could kinda go either way for him but I don't really buy his defense. Honestly it mostly just feels like SL has been in constant flail mode since he started getting so much flack for his kinda TMI read of Shape.

Your posts have been super all over the place where you state one stance on people. Like HF dropping so far, or calling SL scum fakeclaimimg who might actually flip green.

HF is a possible scumread but I can follow his thinking too well today to call him scum with a straight face.

Onegu is the big question mark since he won't post his flipping case on me.


Yea this is more or less my thoughts now that I'm caught up fully.

I really don't think Darth or Gell are mafia. HF is possible but unlikely. Rels is confirmed.

Onegu is absent. Emp is weird.

SL is flailing and seems like my best option to vote.

I'm willing to be the next lynch after SL kus if he flips mafia then I think Emp is his partner and that means I had pretty amazing reads on D1.

##Vote:Sicklucker


Can you explain the last sentence a bit more: you think SL is red, and I'm his partner. But you can be the next lynch afterwards?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 05 2016 23:52 GMT
#2289
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:00 GMT
#2291
On December 06 2016 08:58 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?


Onegu probably.


I know you think that my play may have been weird over the last few hours, but how close does your list look to this then:

On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro.


Right now my stance looks like this:

1. Rels
9. mahrgell
6. darthfoley
12. Tictock

2. Holyflare
4. Onegu

11. sicklucker

ofc subbing you for me.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-06 00:04:10
December 06 2016 00:03 GMT
#2293
On December 06 2016 09:01 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?


Since you said you think SL is town do you think mafia is Myself/HF?


Nah I'm more mafia on than town for sl right now. Really thinking about who else could be red though. My list is pretty much still as in my most previous post.
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:05 GMT
#2294
On December 06 2016 09:03 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 09:01 Tictock wrote:
On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?


Since you said you think SL is town do you think mafia is Myself/HF?


Nah I'm more mafia on than town for sl right now. Really thinking about who else could be red though. My list is pretty much still as in my most previous post.


Shit I edited the lost post instead of quote , but I struck out the part that should have been edited.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:05 GMT
#2296
meant to EBWOP, my bad
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:09 GMT
#2298
On December 06 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 09:00 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 06 2016 08:58 Tictock wrote:
On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?


Onegu probably.


I know you think that my play may have been weird over the last few hours, but how close does your list look to this then:

On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote:
Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro.


Right now my stance looks like this:

1. Rels
9. mahrgell
6. darthfoley
12. Tictock

2. Holyflare
4. Onegu

11. sicklucker

ofc subbing you for me.


I would have HF a little higher but yea that's not too different from my thinking.

How did you have me in a clearly town group there though yet feel like I could be scum if f Onegu made a good enough case on me though?


Hmm I liked the point that rels made about this post:
On December 04 2016 08:20 Tictock wrote:
Ehh just skimmed kus I saw people talking about a claim. I doubt SL is the JK since he put so much stock into Shape's claim having meaning. I feel like if he were blue he would be more paranoid about other people claiming blue.

Idk, I'll think about it more when I have time.


And I think you've been re-evaluating the game quite a bit. I dunno just feels similar to me right now. What Onegu thinks can contribute, just like anyone elses case could. I don't think that Onegu's thoughts are any more important than other people. I just wanted something to evaluate his thinking on, cause that's a major blind spot for like 2 days now.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:12 GMT
#2299
On December 06 2016 09:08 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 09:03 emperorchampion wrote:
On December 06 2016 09:01 Tictock wrote:
On December 06 2016 08:52 emperorchampion wrote:
TT, assume I'm town. Who's mafia for you next?


Since you said you think SL is town do you think mafia is Myself/HF?


Nah I'm more mafia on than town for sl right now. Really thinking about who else could be red though. My list is pretty much still as in my most previous post.


Then why haven't you voted SL since I'm less suspicious than Onegu or HF but am the only other real option.


Yeah I probably will, just haven't 100% made up my mind yet. I haven't tried to hide the fact that I find sl scummy.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:17 GMT
#2300
mmm when HF reads the last 2 pages he's gonna flip shit which will give us something nice to evaluate him on.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:23 GMT
#2302
sl and Onegu doesn't make sense as a team, from the stand point that sl never claims as mafia if Onegu is his partner. So *IF* sl is mafia, where does that leave us. HF/sl maybe unlikely because of the reasons that HF pointed out (it's a bit of wifom though). TT looking better maybe, so darth/mahrgell? Of those two darth has more reasons to be scum read, but both look pretty town to me.

This is where I end up with sl being at only 40% scum... so really quite confusing game at the moment.
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 06 2016 00:29 GMT
#2303
anyhow, I need to go eat
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