On October 20 2016 18:47 Koshi wrote: Hmm I am going to lynch all people that fakeclaim or fake crumb as well. I can't have that shit. The game might be breakable on D3/4 if we mass claim. So people who fakeclaimed at that point will get instant lynched.
I have seen crumbs already. There is 0 reason to do it as town. Just shut up.
Also, try to crumb better than literally saying what your ulti is.
Now I usually hate hate hate mechanics discussion because all it does it give an excuse for other people to scumread that one guy for filler posts when they don't actually mean anything. He has a point tho, remember your last game getting spammed the shit out by our dear Calix/NU which caused town to loose all traction and get clean swept.
On October 20 2016 22:20 Lunaticman wrote: We all know Koshi screwed up and stopped posting because he knows we know he screwed up.
Just lynch him and be done with it.
lololololol.
Being town is way more fun.
Would you please actually play the game?
I am playing the game. I am following the thread carefully.
You're following the thread and picking random replies. You're playing absolutely reactive and are not initiating anything although you claimed multiple times to do so.
Koshi, you are scum.
The things in italic are wrong.
I like the genuine reactions here. I mean sure playing reactive is bad and u have a point but its not even 24h into the game yet. He responds exactly like I would to your pressure so thats some positive points.
Yeah i'm not sure if I can jump on your boat here, Koshi played scum 3 games in a row now, last of which he was super obvious. I'm confident I can meta him from D2-3.
On October 21 2016 03:34 Skynx wrote: Yeah i'm not sure if I can jump on your boat here, Koshi played scum 3 games in a row now, last of which he was super obvious. I'm confident I can meta him from D2-3.
i was about to instalynch you before i read the rest of that sentence
On October 21 2016 03:44 beentheredonethat wrote: Koshi Koshi Koshi guys I repeat lynch Koshi
Have you read my post? Your arguments can be applied to most other people in the game.
That's not true as Koshi's last three games where exactly the way he plays right now. That means that my arguments might not be alignment indicative for everyone but for Koshi, they are.
How can you be so sure about that? Check iamp, 5 pages of absolute nothingness.
It's fine pressuring him to get reads out but I don't want people loosing themselves tunneling one guy very early on. If you're fine reading Koshi we'll nail him anyway. I'm gona wait at least for later tomorrow. I said same about emperor on presidental mafia and 2nd half of D1 he acted super wierd and we got an easy vigshot
I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray:
On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote: I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts.
I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere.
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia 2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest ##Vote: WaveofShadow
This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really.
I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints.
On October 20 2016 13:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: If you aren't on this list and I haven't played with you, please let me know so I know I can lynch you today.
Its like he's trying to be Palmar and people ignore him and he just walks off.
im kind of curious about ritoky but that might just be off and i could be wrong. just a gut feeling something is wrong with one or two posts he made. one of him or hopeless will prob be maf - i dont think both are maf given their interactions. even i could be wrong ..i dont think i am
On October 20 2016 14:18 Bill Murray wrote: TLDR ritoki is probably town because i see ritoky + hopeless interaction as town/maf interaction and i think WoS is being mafcoached by hopeless
that leaves me here town: bill , i am perfection, exo, ritoky, kurumi scum: WoS, hopeless1der
i am NOT doing null this game so if my scum list exceeds 10 people or more i dont give a flying **** these are just my opinions
I was all ready to say bm kinda looked ok for the first quote after all but then he's making really weird leaps and his thoughts aren't congruent and look like setups for later.
Would probably lynch too.
BM always looks like that. He always makes bizar logic leaps that just look bad. I just ignore him on d1.
Can anyone else confirm this? Cuz i actually thought that exact post sucked and gave HF credit for it.
On October 20 2016 13:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: If you aren't on this list and I haven't played with you, please let me know so I know I can lynch you today.
Its like he's trying to be Palmar and people ignore him and he just walks off.
Why does that suck though? What about it makes you think anything more than policy?
It's not about policy at all, I dunno where you got that from. He's putting himself in this almighty position by suggesting bunch of lynches out of nowhere not seemingly in a bantery manner and when he doesn't get any audience he's out of here. When I play D1 early on its fine to banter but there is a difference here, he's not saying 'hey ritoky I'm gona 100% lynch you D1", instead he's like "Alright I'm not gona read the game, here s my lynches cya kk thx".
Ignore the meta bit I suggest here but when Palmar does this shit everyone tells me to back off because he's a good player and I had to put up with that for some reason. I don't have any opinion on LT so fuck that here.
I'm pretty confident about everyone above. btdt tunnels Koshi but keeps an open mind and tries reading other people. ptmc has been the best so far, I liked him pre-list and I love him post-list. He is very very much like his town self in newbie game. TT and WoS are both trying to solve the game from my pow. Good filters for both and I don't agree with all that roleclaim bs that was brought up against WoS earlier on, that argument was wholly tvtvtvtvtvt... HF being HF, aggressive, calling shots on everyone out there so I'm gona meta read him for now.
I can quote spceific stuff if neede but those 5 imo are pretty apparent townies
People that improved overnight: iamp, DI
Two guys with massive filters who were dicking around earlier on but picked up on the game in pat 12 hours. iamp pushinfg me I liked cuz he was right about it me calling him out and not doing anything about it. Thats just how I roll tho.
People I have no fking clue about: Exo, Hamazura, Acrofales
All kinda in and out, posting comments and stuff but not actually actively progressing the game. Really not much of a reason to town read any of these bunch but not scummy either.
People that took a nosedive overnight: Koshi, LT, Lunatic
Koshi is soooo offski, he's fitting scum meta more as the day passes, no pushes on anyone, no posting read lists no nothing. He just doesn't play like this as town, quite the opposite he's usually a driving force behind lynches. LT continues to express his dislike on half of the players with no cause no background and doesn't wanna play this game really. Lunatic came in to sit on btdt's Koshi push and then posted bunch of wierd stuff defending himself which I thought was super unnatural and unnecessary, meanwhile ignoring like 16 other players in the game aswell.
People that I objectively dislike: Hopeless, sicklucker, GB Hopeless is pretty much avoiding putting any effort into game at all while being here constantly, he's like a worse LT. SL pretty much the same, here but just trolls.
AFK: Rels, Eversince, Vivax This is a wierd category, Rels and Vivax posted like one sentence whole game, Eversince nothing at all. Yet some people are saying "oh Eversince gona get replaced lets ignore him" while other two have been not that different. They all have equal chance of flipping mafia imo, all can be lynched if you guys are fan of plynches.
Verdict: I personally want to have a meaningfull D1, lynches out of any above 6 in red I'm happy with. My preference if you ask is hopeless:
On October 20 2016 11:28 Hopeless1der wrote: ##vote ExO_
This whole argument was really dumb, it wasn't going anywhere at all and suddenly a vote with no reason...
On October 20 2016 12:13 Hopeless1der wrote: well thats disappointing ticktock...thanks for stopping by? I guess I'll take a rest myself.
LOL? so makes it apparent that someone popping in n out is dislikeable but he jets on out without posting any content while being there for quite some time????
On October 20 2016 13:13 Hopeless1der wrote: I claim Oracle. I'm also going to sleep right meow. good night.
On October 21 2016 08:35 Hopeless1der wrote: #avoidingmodkill
But seriously, I'll play properly tomorrow.
Yeah not much to say really, he was here this guy, 3 page filter so why avoid mod kill? Just fking play.
Kurumi, BM, Tubesock, ritoky I kinda have no opinion of cuz i forgot about them while writing this post but I will follow up at some point.
On October 22 2016 02:47 iamperfection wrote: There's not much in lunatic I have no strong feelings either way
Vivax is policy, Lunatic's filter is just terrible.
Break it down for me I'm not very bright.
Vivax is afk and avoiding modkill. Surely you can see that.
Lunatic sheeps btdt's meta push on Koshi from the getgo, then sr's HF for whatever reason then spends the rest of the filter defending himself for his HF sr. Not a comment on other 21 ppl in the game. Surely you can see that.
On October 22 2016 02:59 beentheredonethat wrote: My vote is good where it is. I don't feel like deciding between Lunatic/Vivax. Lunatic is a good lynch while Vivax is policy.
If it is still on me I disagree.
Can you please post some list or something before i switch to you aswell?
On October 22 2016 02:59 beentheredonethat wrote: My vote is good where it is. I don't feel like deciding between Lunatic/Vivax. Lunatic is a good lynch while Vivax is policy.
If it is still on me I disagree.
Can you please post some list or something before i switch to you aswell?
Koshi I voted you cuz I warned you before that you need to start doing shit. You said you're not going to, so you're scum. Please don't manipulate shit and say you're genuine and all...
@Tubesock, iamp, HF. I'm also sick of your antics calling me useless with shit list but then feel not sure about my alginment. Man the fuck up vote me and see if you can convince other 20 people playing the game that I'm scum based on whatever reasons you have, if you have any if that is.
I promote Acro to town for progressing the game. I wanna demote iamp to mafia for being so tunneled on TT when there was Koshi and H1D to lynch as 100% better targets. Same for HF pretty much but HF being HF will lynch townies all day long while being town himself so thats not indicative at all, he's prolly town on the wrong track as usual.
On October 23 2016 02:35 Skynx wrote: Nice twitch chat guys, sadly no one gives a fuck
Yeeeaaahhh.
Ok, so in your list post you have HF as town because of aggro and calling shots. Then said something about it being a meta read. Can you clarify? Specifically what's his meta? Does he not call shots and be aggressive as mafia?
So since you forgot Bill Murray and I in your list post, you didn't really think we were that scummy then?
And you're really annoyed at Ritoky for asking you twice to answer a question about LT's entrance?
Are you just that easily annoyable?
1) Yes, HF does establish himself as a fuhrer early on, pushing literally everyone for minimal reasons. He than tunnels some random person for whatever reason + town ends up following him for whatever reason and that person flips town. I'll actually bet some billion esports dollars that HF is town here cuz of meta.
2) Yes and no. I had small reasons to not like you early on in the D1, this wasn't a hard sr commital and I was trying to see if anyone wants to jump on it or question me for those reads. They were kinda bad and I forgot about them now cuz you guys are flying under the radar and other Reds in my list are more out there in the game as being bad. I need to re-read you guys when i got some time.
3) Yeah and no, I don't get annoyed I just ignore/mute people that annoy me. Ritoky in this case also happened to play bad earlier on so now i can sr him happy days.
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
Absolutely. Problem?
Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure.
btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%.
On October 23 2016 02:35 Skynx wrote: Nice twitch chat guys, sadly no one gives a fuck
Yeeeaaahhh.
Ok, so in your list post you have HF as town because of aggro and calling shots. Then said something about it being a meta read. Can you clarify? Specifically what's his meta? Does he not call shots and be aggressive as mafia?
So since you forgot Bill Murray and I in your list post, you didn't really think we were that scummy then?
And you're really annoyed at Ritoky for asking you twice to answer a question about LT's entrance?
Are you just that easily annoyable?
1) Yes, HF does establish himself as a fuhrer early on, pushing literally everyone for minimal reasons. He than tunnels some random person for whatever reason + town ends up following him for whatever reason and that person flips town. I'll actually bet some billion esports dollars that HF is town here cuz of meta.
2) Yes and no. I had small reasons to not like you early on in the D1, this wasn't a hard sr commital and I was trying to see if anyone wants to jump on it or question me for those reads. They were kinda bad and I forgot about them now cuz you guys are flying under the radar and other Reds in my list are more out there in the game as being bad. I need to re-read you guys when i got some time.
3) Yeah and no, I don't get annoyed I just ignore/mute people that annoy me. Ritoky in this case also happened to play bad earlier on so now i can sr him happy days.
1) Guess I just disagree that that's his meta. I think he does that as mafia also...
2) ok. So I missed it, can you refresh me who were bigger Reds in your mind?
3) Your hypocrisy is delicious. Scumming LT for muting players he doesn't know is no different than ones that annoy you.
I'll take bets on HF being town. My scumreads are there on the list you talking about where i ignored you and BM. Pretty sure you know where it is.
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
Absolutely. Problem?
Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure.
btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%.
By playing end of day to save himself and then fucking off vivax conformed himself scum. If he had done nothing I would agree with you. I've literally seen him do this exact same thing. He falls into some textbook scum play, and survivability is a thing for him. He won't allow himself to let down his team entirely.
And as for the other two, want to bet? :D
I don't want to lose my rares cuz mafia might be bad
On October 23 2016 03:30 Skynx wrote: If ritoky was RB'd, then H1D>ritoky + Vivax>GB + Koshi>GB.
Koshi & Vivax would make sense.
reading just that without context but
looks like shit it is
Its
H1D ritoky Vivax Koshi GB
on the new list.
Vivax was higher on the list so his actions get resolved 1st so he couldn't have attacked Koshi, he attacked GB. Koshi couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature. If ritoky didn't move, H1D couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature cuz he was higher up on the list.
On October 23 2016 03:30 Skynx wrote: If ritoky was RB'd, then H1D>ritoky + Vivax>GB + Koshi>GB.
Koshi & Vivax would make sense.
reading just that without context but
looks like shit it is
Its
H1D ritoky Vivax Koshi GB
on the new list.
Vivax was higher on the list so his actions get resolved 1st so he couldn't have attacked Koshi, he attacked GB. Koshi couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature. If ritoky didn't move, H1D couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature cuz he was higher up on the list.
oh its just mechanics and not reads
only marginally better
My reads are in my filter if you wanna read them be my guest.
Meanwhile,
On October 22 2016 05:59 Dandel Ion wrote: btnd hardconfirmed town btw
On October 23 2016 02:18 Acrofales wrote: Ok, been going over the damage and the claims. Biggest discrepancies so far:
Sicklucker claims he can RB AND do a basic attack. I was told I have one action per phase, and basic attacks are actions, so I call bullshit.
WoS didn't take enough damage. Claims 16 dmg. HF claims he hit for 5, LT claims 10, sicklucker claims unknown amount.
ExO_ claims he hit Koshi, but he cannot have moved to Koshi. In fact, he cannot have moved anywhere except to me.
Acro took too much damage. I took 7 dmg. Nobody claims an attack.
Koshi didn't take enough damage. Claims 12 dmg. btdt claims he did 8. ExO_ claims unknown amount (4?).
GB didn't take enough damage. Claims 6 dmg. Iamperfection claims > 6. Koshi claims 7. ritoky claims he tried, but was roleblocked.
ptmc claims he hit BM. He cannot have moved to BM, and can only have hit Hamazooka (host error is possible, because if ptmc moved to where BM was BEFORE his move, then it all works)
Questions: @ExO_: how much do you hit for? Someone could have redirected you to me. Not sure why, but we'll figure that out later. @ptmc: can you ask the hosts if they processed your move correctly?
Will work on reads post and it will be up before just before resolution. I am around for chats.
If you are looking for a target to shoot at tonight, I highly recommend, in order of importance:
Vivax. Kill with fire Koshi. Disruptive scummy dirtbag. Skynx. 100% trash filter, and seriously flying under the radar. H1der. Scum until I say otherwise. LT. Lurker. GB. Lurker. HF. Haven't figured out the TT train yet, and while the case seems sincere (if just plain wrong), there is something off about him. Artanis. Lurker.
That should do it for now.
I don't think you know that damage is processed before movement, and movement from the bottom up? I'm where I expect myself to be after attacking BM and BM attacking Ticktock, which he claimed.
Oh derp. I was resolving movement from top to bottom. Will have to redo my spreadsheet.
First on the list moves and attacks, then next one on the line etc. thats how i did it aswell.
On October 22 2016 05:59 Dandel Ion wrote: btnd hardconfirmed town btw
huh? thanks, how?
i would have actually answered that but now i want skynx to give it a try first. if he just doesnt and fucks off again remind me d2 if its important to you
On October 23 2016 03:30 Skynx wrote: If ritoky was RB'd, then H1D>ritoky + Vivax>GB + Koshi>GB.
Koshi & Vivax would make sense.
reading just that without context but
looks like shit it is
Its
H1D ritoky Vivax Koshi GB
on the new list.
Vivax was higher on the list so his actions get resolved 1st so he couldn't have attacked Koshi, he attacked GB. Koshi couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature. If ritoky didn't move, H1D couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature cuz he was higher up on the list.
oh its just mechanics and not reads
only marginally better
My reads are in my filter if you wanna read them be my guest.
Meanwhile,
On October 22 2016 05:59 Dandel Ion wrote: btnd hardconfirmed town btw
What made you say this? Why you voted TT?
what might have he have done around the time i said that? and why would i think that?
because i thought it very likely he was mafia, that's usually how we do
This is basically a dodge lol. If you can account someone to 100% confirmed town you must have solid reasons to back it up. In this case what are your reasons pls quote some specific stuff.
Thanks for mafia 101, you were lynching Vivax who's your 100% scumread and u switch to tt because you feel he's scum at the time yeah thanks that doesnt add up. Why you voted TT?
On October 23 2016 03:30 Skynx wrote: If ritoky was RB'd, then H1D>ritoky + Vivax>GB + Koshi>GB.
Koshi & Vivax would make sense.
reading just that without context but
looks like shit it is
Its
H1D ritoky Vivax Koshi GB
on the new list.
Vivax was higher on the list so his actions get resolved 1st so he couldn't have attacked Koshi, he attacked GB. Koshi couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature. If ritoky didn't move, H1D couldn't have attacked anyone else by nature cuz he was higher up on the list.
oh its just mechanics and not reads
only marginally better
My reads are in my filter if you wanna read them be my guest.
Meanwhile,
On October 22 2016 05:59 Dandel Ion wrote: btnd hardconfirmed town btw
What made you say this? Why you voted TT?
what might have he have done around the time i said that? and why would i think that?
because i thought it very likely he was mafia, that's usually how we do
This is basically a dodge lol. If you can account someone to 100% confirmed town you must have solid reasons to back it up. In this case what are your reasons pls quote some specific stuff.
Thanks for mafia 101, you were lynching Vivax who's your 100% scumread and u switch to tt because you feel he's scum at the time yeah thanks that doesnt add up. Why you voted TT?
yes its a dodge, gj, but you're scummy so i'd rather get a read on you. I have solid reasons, i just didn't post them.
vivax is 100% scum now but was he really my 100% scumread then? is that your final answer?
Are you a troll? Otherwise im having the most difficult time understanding you. You didn't ask me anything. You call me scummy but you're the hiding your reasons for voting for a particular person.
Fuck this game. I'm just gona ignore everyone and kill mafia from now on. Yeah, you don't like me? Go ahead lynch me, it will work you wonders. Afk till Vivax and Koshi are dead, suit yourselves.
On October 23 2016 07:41 iamperfection wrote: i attacked nobody
Then skynx jumped over you to do something to btdt.
@skynx: why did you attack btdt?
Your methods of reaching conclusions are faulty. I attacked iamp. But why do you ask me a question in vain when you already made up your mind about my alignment and why do i even bother replying at all i have no idea fuck this.
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else?
I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis.
So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really?
Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face.
I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please.
Vivax is first choice of lynch. Pretend he's already dead.
Koshi claims he has a double lynch ability. Find a 2nd wagon to push. I have my vote on Skynx right now, so start there perhaps.
Reading Skynx now.
On October 21 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote: I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray:
On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote: I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts.
I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere.
On October 21 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia 2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest ##Vote: WaveofShadow
This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really.
I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints.
Hate his callout of Tube. Calls Tube out on reads that supposedly come out of nowhere whilst they're explained in the very post whilst posting reads that come out of nowhere.
He's targetting a buncha people but they're all people with little thread presence (TS, BM, LT) whilst townreading players with high thread presence (mainly WoS and HF). Went after Hopeless, but that was before he stepped up. Had TT as a strong TR but apparently didn't really do anything to change anyone's minds.
He's also being a lot more antagonistic than he was in his last game where he showed some confidence in the early game but then played a laid back style. Feels tonally different. In the newbie game, he worked with people and clearly worked with people. Compare the tone from his last towngame:
On September 25 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
On September 24 2016 11:46 SoulEaterQUEEN wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
Interesting idea. What does this achieve? Last time I checked, voting for yourself is a lazy way of avoiding pressure, gives no info, doesn't get you reads. Unless you are schizo ^_^
Also hi there. I'm one of the newbs, this is my first on-site mafia, therefore I am not aware of the site meta. Also find it pointless to link off site meta examples personally. Too many players fall into the meta trap to conclude reads. Anyway this is shit fluff talking. Grill me, bake me, do whatever that makes you happy until my alignment cookie crumbles infront of you. I'll post my RVS vote, and call it a night.
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
On September 24 2016 08:26 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote: [quote] I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This is how I get reactions (or saying something controversial then lurking and waiting for reactions, but you don't want that). Obviously I don't want to lynch a lurker though because I want to lynch Xata.
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
Stutters:
Calix: You only got two responses before claiming it was a reaction-test?
My dear Watson, the game is afoot. That does seem kind of counterproductive in retrospect. I think this is the part though where you guys debate if I'm terrible, trying to come off as terrible while scum or part of some master play.
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
[quote]
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
[quote]
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
[quote]
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
[quote]
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote: [quote] Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
To this:
On October 23 2016 03:05 Skynx wrote:
On October 23 2016 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
Absolutely. Problem?
Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure.
btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%.
There's a lot more abrasiveness in there. It reminds me of Breshke whom was a lot more abrasive as scum than as town, though I'll need to check and make sure.
One thing that does speak in Skynx' favour is that he's going after a lot of different people, but his reads are fairly static. He also seems fixated on how bad the TT lynch was and connecting people with that, using it as an excuse rather than trying to actually progress the game forward.
##Vote Skynx
So your case comes down to:
1) I went after tubesock for reasons i posted and you think thats not enough. Well thats a shame you hurt my feelings but I'll get over it dw.
2) I pick low hanging fruits that do nothing as a target. Well there is a difference. Rels/Evereince was total afk, those 3 you said were here but ignored the game while being here. That is mafia indicative.
3) You say i didn't protect TT. You clearly haven't read D1 at all apparently, HF first made plain his dislike of TT and i immediately questioned him, along with WoS (i think). He mocked our questions, ignored us and went ahead and lynched him when i wasn't here. Not much i can do, first i wasnt here, second HF is HF and will lynch town and ppl will follow him for whatever reason.
4) Ah what a lovely meta read. Did you also notice that i was a doctor in that game? And my antics led mafia to consider me to be the last person to be a doctor? Did you read any other games of me being town where im also aggressive and borderline scum? Apparently not.
So all of this is invalid and you just wanna scumread me cuz my filtet is bad but you want to look like you have some sort of reasoning behind so you dont look scummy and the town will most likely buy this cuz they are bad.
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
As i replied to you in the night when you asked why Vivax is a good vigshot target: if we try to lynch Vivax we absolutely cannot afford to compromise. He will not defend himself and he objectively cant at this point. People will jump off the ship because they are bored or wanna get some more info or whatever and start going after people that are here and can defend themselves and thats when shit happens like D1 and someone else magically gets lynched.
I defended you cuz it was early in the game and you could redeem yourself. You gave me a big middle finger and then i voted you cuz i told u to step up.
Thats not what we call "defends me then wants to lynch me out of nowhere"
1) Tubes reasons came out of nowhere imo, thats like just your opinion man.
2) Are you reading at all? LT and BM were being scummy, yeah goodjob town we didnt go after a low hanging fruit and we lynched one of the more apparent townies in the game wp.
3) I didn't, i wasn't here for rest of the day.
4) Lol there i was tunneling town!you and you quote that? I grew a lot as a player since then and thats definitely not one of my good pushes at all.
On October 23 2016 22:31 iamperfection wrote: Like you better be mafia man.......I just don't understand
Lemme give you a hint: Tictock.
Does anyone even know why they wanna vote Skynx?
*raises hand* me me me!
On October 23 2016 17:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 23 2016 17:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2016 17:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 23 2016 17:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 23 2016 16:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So you're just sheeping others, got it.
Anyone else?
I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis.
So, seeing if this wagon is anything other than a mindless sheepfest reflects extremely poorly on me? Really?
Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face.
I didn't know it was a 1-page filter when I asked. I just got up and was looking to get an actual conversation going to get into the game. Stop being a dick please.
Vivax is first choice of lynch. Pretend he's already dead.
Koshi claims he has a double lynch ability. Find a 2nd wagon to push. I have my vote on Skynx right now, so start there perhaps.
Reading Skynx now.
On October 21 2016 04:07 Skynx wrote: I'm reading some other people, in particular disliking Tubesock and BillMurray:
On October 20 2016 22:36 Tubesock wrote: I like Acrofales, Exo, Wave Not sure who I'd lynch.
I liked Acrofales response to iamperfections coordination attempt. Although I do think coordination is a good thing, perfection didn't invest much effort into thinkinng HOW to do it. Nor did he ask for ideas on how to do it. It could have easily been a fishing expedition and he quickly saw it was opposed and dropped it.
Exo's prob town because of what everyone else already said.
Wave mostly cause he doesn't seem to care what he posts.
I feel like these are just reads that come out of absolutely nowhere.
On October 21 2016 03:06 Holyflare wrote:
On October 20 2016 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: ok i just read through page 18 and here we are with exo outting a character with healing / protection spells
1) this doesnt mean exo is mafia 2) this doesnt mean waveofshadow is town
the way this game works, mafia will definitely have healing/protection abilities on their support dazzles overpowered ass would fit mafia support perfectly to be honest ##Vote: WaveofShadow
This looks extremely forced and a terrible post just in general. Bad play all round really.
I like this, machanic based read to actually seriously put a vote on someone is super bad. Also a cheeky townread on exo aswell, alignment of which has absolutely nothing to do with WoS's claim hints.
Hate his callout of Tube. Calls Tube out on reads that supposedly come out of nowhere whilst they're explained in the very post whilst posting reads that come out of nowhere.
He's targetting a buncha people but they're all people with little thread presence (TS, BM, LT) whilst townreading players with high thread presence (mainly WoS and HF). Went after Hopeless, but that was before he stepped up. Had TT as a strong TR but apparently didn't really do anything to change anyone's minds.
He's also being a lot more antagonistic than he was in his last game where he showed some confidence in the early game but then played a laid back style. Feels tonally different. In the newbie game, he worked with people and clearly worked with people. Compare the tone from his last towngame:
On September 25 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:26 DanelerH wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:21 Jealous wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:19 Stutters695 wrote:
On September 24 2016 08:04 Xatalos wrote: Unfortunately, looks like you can't vote for yourself in this setup :/
To everyone else, this is why we should lynch him today. He's always one step ahead, we'll never catch him.
On a more serious note, how does everyone feel about going with the scummiest of the inevitable inactives? Activity always seems to be a struggle in these games and I won't be lynchbait for once.
I'm usually pro-PL but it's too early to make such a decision. We need to see how others are posting. It's odd that you suggest this so early.
This, plus there's Shutter's first post:
On September 24 2016 07:46 Stutters695 wrote: I'm here and not scum. How disappointing.
Anyway, as it stands I'd be all for a d1 Xata lynch. Pretty sure he's fooled me like the last 3 times he's been mafia and that's no good.
It's not technically a role claim, but it's certainly something unnecessary to say. Why would your first sentence be the equivalent of "I'm not a Mafia."? While it's nothing definite, it seems rather odd to me.
So initially, contrary to Xatalos, i didn't think this is entirely bad. I can see myself saying something like the bolded bit, on the other hand reasons for coming up to the bolded part is shitty. Like Stutter's entry is nothing different than a "First! Townread me!", its entirel nai.
So I'm thinking like hmmm he's a bit confused, then you wrote this...
On September 24 2016 23:53 DanelerH wrote: I am not liking Lunaticman right now. First of all, basically all Lunatic has done is posted a random Town read. Let's take a look at it:
On September 24 2016 16:38 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 16:18 Skynx wrote: Hmm Lunatic intro worst i guess.
Man i dont get why get this PL discussion every game. Its quite simple, odds are town barely have any info D1 to decide on a proper lynch, hence guy with 2 posts dies. Sometimes scum slip, or someone has incredible meta read confidence or w/e, then you dont't pl. Simple stuff.
Somehow I knew you would say that. I hope we can stay on friendly terms this time around but I doubt it.
Stutters is so far the most obvious townie.
I am a bit afraid of the logical development of this game. TL is filled with smarties that loves to talk the talk but always lynch the random dude that didnt sound smart.
This will be the doom of us all I tell you, nobody can look more perfect then the mafia because they already know everything!
This looks like the current meta afk townies and leading mafia for sure. This totally reminds me if the palmar/hf domination game check it out.
Lunaticman just throws a random Town-read in the middle of a bunch of irrelevant information. Furthermore, xe doesn't give any reasoning for the Town-read. When asked about it, xe responded with this series of posts:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 18:13 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 17:32 Calix wrote: Yo. I have a bit of time in the morning to pop in.
I actually don't mind the activity as much as I usually would because the posting isn't just a bunch of useless spam and it's much easier to catch up/ reread stuff.
[quote]
Just to pop in with my two cents on this matter. Meta is good for establishing what is NAI for a player. (e.g., how often they vote or if they talk in a particular way) but I agree that a lot of people, myself included at times, use it as a substitute for analysis.
I'm not familiar with many people here (I've only really played with Skynx/ Superbia/ Jealous before) and I'd like to keep it that way so that my analysis isn't skewed by some subjective interpretations of how XYZ played in a game like, 486973 years ago. Only exception is if it's a bad player who has pronounced differences between their town/ scum game that means they make themselves obvious or some shit. So if we could keep the "X is scum/ town due to meta" talk down to a minimum then that'll be lovely.
As far as initial impressions go, I town-lean Jealous (this is mainly because we were posting similar things at approximately the same time when we were questioning Stutters so he's more likely to be coming from the same mindset as myself)
Ambivalent on Daneler. I didn't like his entrance because he was using someone else's words to put forth his opinion and then commented on something that looks odd but his follow-up made sense.
Stutters has done some questionable things with his claims to want to generate discussion. These two posts struck me as strange:
[quote]
Here he says that he was reaction-testing. NAI by itself but the fact that he capitulated so quickly makes me skeptical. Scum are more likely to shy away from their actions in this manner compared to town (who would be more confident in their ability to defend themselves) because they don't want too much attention.
[quote]
Here he notes that people are likely to discuss his posts. Again, totally normal thing to say by itself, but what I don't like is the fact that he notes most of the possibilities before anyone can actually talk about him...since this limits opportunities for discussion...which goes against his stated aim of getting reactions and thus starting conversation.
It's not a legit contradiction or anything but I'd like Stutters to flesh out his reasoning here.
[quote]
What makes you think Stutters is the most townie player in the thread?
Are you claiming to be one of the dumb-sounding people?
Fourth part is just weird. It states the obvious ("mafia are informed and will try to look townie") but it does it in a hyperbolic manner. Where are you going here?
If you think mafia are leading the discussion then that implies that you suspect players and this is something you did not put down in favour of a town-read. Who could fall under this category of 'leading mafia' in your eyes, if anyone?
Stutters is obvious town for me at least, I can understand why you wouldn't notice but I have played with him 4 times in a row and I'm pretty sure he is town.
Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:07 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 19:29 Rels wrote: [quote] Please explain
Well I don't want to day 1 because of reasons to be disclosed at a later date. He is not going to be lynched today at the very least.
I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
On September 24 2016 21:20 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:51 Rels wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:49 Lunaticman wrote:
On September 24 2016 20:27 Rels wrote: [quote] I'll remember that. This "I promise I have ghood reasons" comes more often from scum than from town though.
That is just speculation and if you were town you wouldn't force me to say why I have a town read.
Why woudln't I do such a thing ? So apparently you think I'm scum ?
No I didn't say that you are scum I just find it suspect why I have to tell you why I town read him even though I don't want to yet.
There is no reason not to give your reasoning for a Town-read. I want to know why you think Shutters is Town and I will not accept "I'll tell you later" as an answer.
In this post the mindset transforms from confusion into a tryhard sr imo.
To this:
On October 23 2016 03:05 Skynx wrote:
On October 23 2016 03:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:58 Skynx wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 23 2016 02:47 Skynx wrote: Vigshots should go on Vivax/Sicklucker. Prots on btdt+ptmc.
Wat Terrible
Vivax is going to get protection from his team tonight so save your shots for people we aren't lynching for sure. If we don't kill him flat out since we're lynching him we waste it.
I also don't think Btdt looks so hot anymore and ptmc despite being mod confirmedish is a terrible night target.
People use your own discretion with your abilities.
Do you actually believe anything you wrote in there?
Absolutely. Problem?
Yeah I disagree entirely. First of all I'm not sure why you all 100% sr Vivax, he's nothing more than a policy lynch, being inactive on purpose like 5-6 others I listed. He is an excellent vig target as D2 lynching him wouldn't be different that D1 where everyone is agreeing on the lynch because Vivax is bad and doesn't do shit but then switch to someone else cuz they are unsure.
btdt and ptmc are like only top townies, not really up for discussion one of them is dead 100%.
There's a lot more abrasiveness in there. It reminds me of Breshke whom was a lot more abrasive as scum than as town, though I'll need to check and make sure.
One thing that does speak in Skynx' favour is that he's going after a lot of different people, but his reads are fairly static. He also seems fixated on how bad the TT lynch was and connecting people with that, using it as an excuse rather than trying to actually progress the game forward.
##Vote Skynx
So your case comes down to:
1) I went after tubesock for reasons i posted and you think thats not enough. Well thats a shame you hurt my feelings but I'll get over it dw.
2) I pick low hanging fruits that do nothing as a target. Well there is a difference. Rels/Evereince was total afk, those 3 you said were here but ignored the game while being here. That is mafia indicative.
3) You say i didn't protect TT. You clearly haven't read D1 at all apparently, HF first made plain his dislike of TT and i immediately questioned him, along with WoS (i think). He mocked our questions, ignored us and went ahead and lynched him when i wasn't here. Not much i can do, first i wasnt here, second HF is HF and will lynch town and ppl will follow him for whatever reason.
4) Ah what a lovely meta read. Did you also notice that i was a doctor in that game? And my antics led mafia to consider me to be the last person to be a doctor? Did you read any other games of me being town where im also aggressive and borderline scum? Apparently not.
So all of this is invalid and you just wanna scumread me cuz my filtet is bad but you want to look like you have some sort of reasoning behind so you dont look scummy and the town will most likely buy this cuz they are bad.
1) You didn't really post reasons for disliking Tubesock. You just said his reads came out of nowhere when they really didn't.
2) Going after complete afks will never get anyone to join you. You went after the low hanging fruit that people would actually lynch.
3) Other than this, where did you do anything to protect TT after HF's case?
On October 22 2016 03:09 Holyflare wrote: I think Ticktock would be a great lynch.
I disagree, what are your reasons for thinking so?
I don't see anything.
4) I have played with you before in Presidential Election as well. In that game, you were also a lot more.. diplomatic in the way you treated your reads. For example:
On June 26 2016 01:36 Skynx wrote: Wow Art kinda fucked up hard imo:
20 posts of trolling and fluff followed by this all of a sudden:
On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not?
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 25 2016 06:52 Superbia wrote: [quote]
Do you want to bear that responsibility?
Awesome joke, 10/10
The puns are getting unbearable already.
5/7, keep growling
ftfy
This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it.
Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK.
So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why?
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 06:58 Skynx wrote: I'll happily be your first muslim president. I won't stop till all red are wiped out.
Who'd you lynch?
Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke?
No? Maybe he had an idea or direction.
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: [quote]
Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke?
No? Maybe he had an idea or direction.
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee
What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all.
You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so.
I believe there's a good chance you're mafia.
So this is super weak, it actually reminds me of myself in newbie game going for an easy mislynch.
On June 25 2016 09:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 09:01 Tumblewood wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:51 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote: So... are we past the BS stage or not?
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] The puns are getting unbearable already.
5/7, keep growling
ftfy
This actually makes me think you're mafia. "Hurr I'm annoyed that people are bullshitting" *joins in on the bullshitting* Not buying it.
Not buying that since nothing noteworthy has happened in the thread and I am joking means I'm Scum.. OK.
So you don't "buy" that I was just playing along.. Why?
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:10 QuickTwist wrote: [quote]
Kinda early for this isn't it? Or was this a joke?
No? Maybe he had an idea or direction.
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
On June 25 2016 07:43 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:40 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:25 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:21 Superbia wrote:
On June 25 2016 07:19 QuickTwist wrote: [quote]
I thought dicking around the first few pages is what people do here. Am I missing something?
Why'd you bring up the stuff about me? Seems like it was kind of serious. Were you just dicking around then? ;x
Oh, yeah. I don't like RVS too much. I am known for ending RVS early at my home site. I prefer to get things going more seriously early than dicking around, but I thought you were one of the people who like to take things light early so I'm not sure I get the pseudo kinda sorta scum hunting.
I think the idea is to fill up your filter as much as possible so no one wants to read it ecks dee
What do you mean? That is not my plan this game at all.
You do not strike me as a joking player. You weren't kidding about these comments, so clearly you want to get the game going. Your latest comment suggests an actual annoyance regarding people messing around, and then immediately after you make a pun to join in on the very thing you just bitched about, which strongly implies you were just attempting to blend in/look townie by pretending you want to move the game into the 'serious' phase without actually doing so.
I believe there's a good chance you're mafia.
idk what narrative is but this is narrative don't like this read at all, feels forced
It's a tone-based read.
On June 25 2016 09:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well I just went through QT's filter on his previous game and apparently he's been lynched a lot. I didn't find anything like the tonally inconsistent thing that I pinged out though, and lynchbait rolls mafia too so eh.
Anyway, only a few hours into D1. We'll see what develops.
QT expressed that he doesn't like the random voting stage/silliness going on. QT expresses it again. Makes a joke instantly afterwards. None of that is narrative. It's tonally inconsistent.
This post is quite bait, he's trying to make up for parts i bolded because they are not one bit indicative of QT being scum. Looks like a panic move. Moosy and Tumble points this out and Art switches to this:
On June 25 2016 19:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello!
I no longer think QT is mafia. This is extremely upsetting. I kinda didn't want to let go of it because if I was right I'd feel like a dunce
I'm curious though, QT, why do you have a scum lean on me? You said yourself that the reason I was scumreading you made sense for most players, and now you're applying it to TW.
On June 25 2016 20:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm just going to let someone else deal with you because apparently asking clarifying questions is now scummy and it's very tiring. I actually think you're town but I was trying to UNDERSTAND what was going on there.
That's a lot of back and forth there. Your push was a quite serious one, you have to back it up with something or just admit you were trying to bait. Either way, the manner in which you abandon your scumread feels way to panicky to me.
On June 25 2016 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 25 2016 09:54 GlowingBear wrote: I'm pretty comfortable to call quick twist town right at the moment.
I think Artanis pushes on quick twist are kinda unnatural, but it's mostly a gut feel
M8 you're not going to get me mislynched no matter how hard you try. Just give up on the plans before you give yourself away.
This is also not ok, if you're gona attack someone please have some basis behind it. GB's posts were all good up to that point, why try to divide the town?
Looks a lot different than the post I quoted earlier. Yes, you can be aggressive in that you go after people, but the tone is completely different.
On October 23 2016 22:35 Skynx wrote: Anyway doesn't matter i rly regret spending time in this game. Some ppl just sit back and troll and their name doesn't even get mentioned once but w/e
Your in this game... what's stopping you from mentioning it?
Oh i tried. Only to get scumread and called out for it.
I attacked you cuz i thought you were scum since HF was always town and you trained TT without hesitation with little cause.
I'm not yet convinced you're definitely scum. And Artanis thinking you're scum isn't going to convince anybody. So just keep playing. Clearly everybody missed your reads, so tell us who, in addition to Vivax, should be lynched today?
As i replied to you in the night when you asked why Vivax is a good vigshot target: if we try to lynch Vivax we absolutely cannot afford to compromise. He will not defend himself and he objectively cant at this point. People will jump off the ship because they are bored or wanna get some more info or whatever and start going after people that are here and can defend themselves and thats when shit happens like D1 and someone else magically gets lynched.
Vivax has to die, you know why.
Ok. I completely agree with you. List the following players from scummiest to towniest, and explain why.
Hama WoS H1der Dandel Ion Lunatic Lord Tolkien
WoS is town quite objectively, not lynching him any time soon. Hama is nonexistent, barely on activity requirement, i dont remember one memorable post. Does this make him mafia? Not sure, but hanging low when there are so many scummy ppl might come in handy. Null LT is troll, much like moosy he can be vigged or pressured to get reads or something. Not necessarily mafia but done nothing towny either. Null Dandel is on my re-read list cuz we exchanged some thoughts and he was so eager to sr me while ignoring everything i said. I'm not a fan of him but as i said not a strong read until i re-reaf. Null to scumlean. Lunatic is very scummy, i actually forgot him on my list previous page. He sheeped btdt for Koshi, then gone after HF for shits and giggles. Didn't do anything else, not a lot of opinions on anyone else playing. Scumlean
H1D would originally my top scum but taking WoS into account i'll give him a re-read. On hold right now.
Please exchange H1D with Lunatic on my list for now.
On October 23 2016 23:04 Skynx wrote: Also @Koshi,
You are delusional + scum.
I defended you cuz it was early in the game and you could redeem yourself. You gave me a big middle finger and then i voted you cuz i told u to step up.
Thats not what we call "defends me then wants to lynch me out of nowhere"
Your vote was opportunistic as fuck and didn't compare with how you read me before. I was already surprised when you as one of few correctly gave me benefit of the doubt, but then after I voted Luna you just drop the hammer on me with a bullshit case.
On October 22 2016 02:59 beentheredonethat wrote: My vote is good where it is. I don't feel like deciding between Lunatic/Vivax. Lunatic is a good lynch while Vivax is policy.
If it is still on me I disagree.
Can you please post some list or something before i switch to you aswell?
Too m7ch work sorry.
Cool enjoy your report.
Get your facts right pls you have been manipulating stuff whole game.
On October 23 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Koshi I voted you cuz I warned you before that you need to start doing shit. You said you're not going to, so you're scum. Please don't manipulate shit and say you're genuine and all...
On October 23 2016 23:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Well except for artanis and maybe SL
Why do you think GB is town?
I don't?
I'm usually pretty good at flat out catching GB but it's been a while and I'm not strong on it as usual though
Goddamnit I got your and Skynx' lists confused. I really need to stop confusing people.
Skynx why do you think GB isn't mafia?
I dunno, he's one of those I barely noticed this game, he was on my scumlean pile in the first list but I really didn't have much of a reason. He's somewhere between LT and Exo in terms of "fuck you all huehuehue" and "fuck this game i play civ"
On October 23 2016 02:14 Skynx wrote: Koshi I voted you cuz I warned you before that you need to start doing shit. You said you're not going to, so you're scum. Please don't manipulate shit and say you're genuine and all...
I mean, the thing is it doesn't make him scum. I had him on town for a fair amount of this game, but I will say if this actually turns out to be secret double lynch I will tie the noose myself.
Meta makes him scum, as btdt suggested earlier on. Koshi is not a passive player. He especially doesn't vote for shitty reasonings like that.
Town Koshi posts long lists, pushes everyone with massive cases and town follows him to victory. This game Koshi is like our PM who just chillz and blames other people from his chair while doing nothing of worth.
On October 23 2016 07:08 Skynx wrote: ##Vote: Vivax
Fuck this game. I'm just gona ignore everyone and kill mafia from now on. Yeah, you don't like me? Go ahead lynch me, it will work you wonders. Afk till Vivax and Koshi are dead, suit yourselves.
On October 23 2016 07:38 Acrofales wrote: Ok. Analyzed night actions. A lot easier this time round.
I am actually considering switching to a Koshi lynch: Koshi moved to next to where HF was, who is now dead. Lol. Some explaining to do, buddy boy!
Also, Skynx jumped over iamperfection or vice versa. Either iamp attacked Koshi (quite likely), or skynx attacked btdt.
Skynx was D1 next to me (assuming starting positions equal player list). I got attacked D1 and N1 with the same amount of damage. Skynx, why are you attacking me? I thought you townread me?
Skynx most likely scum.
I attacked iamp please read the thread. You are my top tr along with ptmc.
I hated Nightstalker from the very first day I played doto where he just right clicked my hohohaha down all the way to t2...
Town is loosing traction guys. Think simple about the mechanics, only thing no-lynch did is it confirmed even more 100% Vivax mafia. Don't bother with Koshi shenanigans theorycrafting because its pointless. Mafia was getting lynched, mafia used no-lynch, simple stuff and tbh, its quite stupid to use it now cuz it just increases their night presence 5/5 for one more night, nothing else WP mafia you literally could turn 5v1 into a lylo with that op ability.
Thats why ppl should take heed attacking Vivax tonight, they will try blademails, shallow graves, whatever. Best to ensure his death by a lynch. Vivax always always always dies tomorrow, I can't stress enough. Please delay your wrath against Lunatic/Koshi/Hama/whoever for another day.
Keep calm guys, town is not in a bad position.
Gona post my thoughts all the way from last post D2.5 now.
On October 24 2016 10:00 Lord Tolkien wrote: 1) I would really like it if we could find a way to confirm BTDT as town, despite his flagrant filter padding. That would certainly make this game easier. The best way would be for koshi to flip scum, but he is claiming the ability to double lynch, which basically confirms him town unless we don't get a double lynch. But then again, why the would he claim the ability to double lynch when there's obviously a mafia roleblock going around. That's actually a stupid thing to do even if you're under pressure from KP, it mildly makes sense given death will cancel the ability out (because it would probably fall under "other"), but actually. This is retarded and we likely have 0 way to verify because he'll never get it off.
So Koshi, please explain your double lynch more thoroughly and tell us why you'd claim it like this or die. Today, preferably. Because it makes no sense.
2) The complete lack of defense or attempt to deflect off of Vivax at all is mildly disconcerting. Plus he's on track to be modkilled D2 so...I'm not sold on the lynch anymore.
3) I'm going to assume Dandel is Schrodinger's scummer, since I obv. cannot read him from the 1 game i played with him.
4) Is HxT just confused noob town or mafia using noob shield. idk, could just kill him today instead of Vivax because he's using noob shield excuse, and if he actually flips scum I can confirm BTDT. But then again he might also be modkilled and replaced so argh.
5) So GB. Why haven't you done anything if you aren't scum. You're always low-key when scum and super-active as town, so tell me. Why shouldn't we lynch you today?
6) Fun fact, I get unblockable/unredirectable KP with my basic attacks now. coo'.
7) The fuck is with this 3p meepo claim. It mildly makes sense, but when 1 meepo dies all meepos die. But then again they decided to classify my hero as an offlaner, lul, so. I'll rule it plausible.
8) SL claims BS. Hrm. Hmmmmmm. What town role does checking HP even serve for town as opposed to mafia, who are better able to coordinate KP to kill off town.
9) I will reverse my call to kill Kurumi for today. Mostly because I don't trust wave still and mostly because I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in re. to time constraints. Even if all he's promising to do is give fucking lists.
10) meh, I like iamp, but then again I know he's not posting mostly because we're playing DotA.
I'm off to play DotA, but I'm prob going to give NocturneMage a read tonight to figure out why the fuck mafia killed him tonight. Might've been rolechecked D1 but eh, think it's probably his filter.
This is just a terrible post all around. Just check the bolds: He defends Vivax, suggesting a possible modkill which is just horrible. He suggest going after another afker is even more shittier. Attacks GB for no activity (oh the irony). Where is an opinion on guys that are highly sr'd such as Koshi,Lunatic and me?
I mean my push on him from the start has been shitty because there is not something apparent. However he fits the mafia agenda, I can no longer keep him in the soft scumlean pile any longer cuz i have few reasons. He has been trolling and laying low since the start, judging by the chaotic town environment so far it'd make sense for some mafia members to just keep afk. This guy could easily be one of them, he's literally avoiding any hard contribution, hasn't done one bit of scumhunting. Just trying to stay alive really.
On October 23 2016 08:51 Tubesock wrote: Actually, the best thing about this "double" lynch is that this phase won't be a snoozefest since we will be talking about who is the secondary lynch. If we just play with a single lynch in mind, it won't be as active since no one opposes the Vivax lynch.
I think the key here is to combine town players to shoot Vivax and lynch Koshi or the other way round.
I don't understand. I guess I can see have some townies coordinate to kill koshi (but then mafia can protect so...) but I don't see a problem with lynching Vivax and having a secondary lynch just in case he's telling the truth. If he's not, then what did town lose? I'm having trouble seeing the downside.
He's literally the only one talking sense on mechanics. Vivax is a guaranteed lynch, just keep enough on him and pressure someone else is quite valuable as proved on Lunatic reactions later on.
On October 24 2016 06:37 Tubesock wrote: My scum list is scummiest to least:
Vivax, Skynx, Koshi Hamaztubo, Lord Tolkien Ritoky, GlowingBear Sicklucker
My biggest problem with this is they are all lurkers. Rereading Acrofales, Dandel Ion, iamperfection I just can't see how they could be mafia. Statistically though, it's improbable that mafia are all lurkers.
I think everyone in the game would kill HF if they were mafia, so it's not really informative that HF scummed: Vivax, Skynx and Koshi (also Art, beenthere,Lunat, ExO, Kurumi, GB, WoS). But if they are mafia then it would be double motivation to kill HF. Koshi already claimed hitting him.
NocturneMage was clearly tryhard so that's a good reason to kill him too. He also scummed Koshi, Skynx and Vivax. Along with Lunatic and was suspicious of Kurumi, GB, TL, ExO, Bill, Hazmatubo.
The kills also implicate Kurumi, ExO and GB. I eliminated kurumi and ExO but don't really remember why. HF was warming up to GB.
So, anyone want to talk about LT, Ritoky, or GlowingBear? I think Hazmatubo will be replaced, and I think Sicklucker will be figured out a little bit better later. (I'm right about Siclucker 50% of the time 70% of the time)
His points are all valid here. Thats one important thing about not being mafia: mafia has to jump on wrong conclusions to lynch town but they have to make up reasons for that cuz they know the information. HF and NM kills do indicate Koshi, Vivax, Lunatic and me. The whole post just adds up, I'm town but i played bad D1 so sr'ing me would make sense in that regard, rest are mafia anyways.
I mean actually just read his this and previous page in filters, there is no way this guy is mafia he's clearly trying to solve the game.
On October 26 2016 05:05 Dandel Ion wrote: said 20 hours
not really but it doesnt help
I don't see what you mean, you clearly think I'm talking bullshit right now but somehow I made these posts 2 hours after flip you would think they were legit shit?
On October 24 2016 22:13 Dandel Ion wrote: every lurker is scum until they prove otherwise
I agree. I don't feel strongly for a Skynx-Lynch (only read his filter, did I miss a case?) Lunatic however is still only a weird tunneling lurker, which would be a fine second lynch.
## vote lunaticman
I agree Lunatic is the worst of the bunch. And this also beyond doubt proofs I am 100% confirmed town.
Koshi is confirmed by ultimate meta to be mafia guys. None of his play adds up.
Please don't get lost in emotional shit/rage/spam and all that. This is not how he plays its fucking scripted. There is no cases, lists, last wills no nothing, nothing. He's a town pillar when he is actually town, he's now just trying to survive and spread chaos. I'm comfortable enough on this to take bets.
On October 24 2016 23:48 Lunaticman wrote: Also either of Art and Koshi are mafia so you remember when I die.
I have asked this of you before, but why?
The lynch on Koshi day one should have been successful, he played awful and was way to engaged for a regular townie. His tone and meta is/was way to easy to read. Just look at him now, using game mechanics to scare you into not lynching him. The mafia obviously saved him by going for HF:s lynch instead day 1.
Art is purely based on HF, you were a 100% lock scum read. I have no reason why I shouldn't trust HF:s read.
Rels got replaced EoD1, posting only once. So Artanis did enough in one nightphase to confirm himself to HF of all people and this is your reason for last will???
On October 26 2016 07:07 ritoky wrote: This town is such a trainwreck that they are probably going to lose before I can complete my win condition, so I sacrificed a night of cloning to use this sentry ward that I somehow got. Koshi should have been a prime target for information but people are mind-bogglingly dumb I suppose.
What information are you looking for? We know he is mafia.
On October 26 2016 07:07 ritoky wrote: This town is such a trainwreck that they are probably going to lose before I can complete my win condition, so I sacrificed a night of cloning to use this sentry ward that I somehow got. Koshi should have been a prime target for information but people are mind-bogglingly dumb I suppose.
What information are you looking for? We know he is mafia.
looking for confirmed towns to kill his stupid ass, looking for mafia to kill him cuz he claimed his "double lynch" was refunded, looking for investigations because he is the center of controversy. looking for anyone i can befriend.
How would you analyse that? Say someone visited him, is he now confirmed town trying to attack Koshi or confirmed mafia, trying to take town Koshi down?
On October 26 2016 07:07 ritoky wrote: This town is such a trainwreck that they are probably going to lose before I can complete my win condition, so I sacrificed a night of cloning to use this sentry ward that I somehow got. Koshi should have been a prime target for information but people are mind-bogglingly dumb I suppose.
What information are you looking for? We know he is mafia.
looking for confirmed towns to kill his stupid ass, looking for mafia to kill him cuz he claimed his "double lynch" was refunded, looking for investigations because he is the center of controversy. looking for anyone i can befriend.
How would you analyse that? Say someone visited him, is he now confirmed town trying to attack Koshi or confirmed mafia, trying to take town Koshi down?
Are you legit serious with this question?
It's an indistinguishable visit, what you take from it depends on your interpretation?
On October 26 2016 07:38 ritoky wrote: incoming post about how "thinking about it from a town perspective" is a scumslip -> ritoky knows skynx's alignment.
at least i will know that person is mafia trying to waste a phase on 3p.
On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote: anyway afk until vivax' flip
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 26 2016 12:02 ritoky wrote: [quote]
i need 1 or 2 mafia to die for enough phases to win i believe. i don't recruit, i don't get more votes, and i believe i disappear upon completing my objective.
i have a move + attack each day phase.
that's pretty much it. so yes i need to town side.
Who wants to CC ritoky? because otherwise I advocate straight up ignoring him until we clear out a couple mafia.
I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
Also i like GB now guys but pls don't kill me when i day its because i think his reactions are genuine.
SL should explain his motivation behind killing town members, if not he might be next on the line ater Koshi and Luna. Him trying to paint Kurumi scum for his role is quite ironical when he ruptures one of the biggest filters in the game.
I dunno what to do with ritoky/Art. ritoky felt more genuine than art and i think there is only one 3p.
On October 26 2016 12:45 Bill Murray wrote: So I attacked sick lucker last night. I meant to switch it and forgot. And no acrofales I don't keep forgetting to send my action in I just do it late like 5:04 a couple times. Even yesterday I meant to switch my action off sicklucker to vivax but where we are lynching him idk idk
Bill Murray is still nowhere to be seen with all the promises. 2 much mechanics, not enough scumhunting. You said you got someting in store, then asked if should claim.
On October 26 2016 11:38 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
This is scummy
how do you feel about it if it was a lie tho
On October 26 2016 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote: [quote] I wouldn't waste a cc on him. I bet there is something he's not telling us but overall he does seem fairly harmless, and if he helps us kill scum I'm cool with him
idk he's already doing fish things. it's not wrong we need to lynch a couple mafia before worrying about it too much so w/e.
wave i would like you to vaguely, without being modkilled, explain why gb is conf scum scratch that boys
On October 26 2016 13:05 GlowingBear wrote: He was suspicious of WoS, called Exo lunatic and Skynx mafia. Also called dandelion Mafia.
On October 26 2016 13:07 GlowingBear wrote: WoS, dandelion, skynx, Exo, lunaticman
Probs mafia team
so this is about btnd i guess. and you're basing your entire read on the game on his. now that seems like top tier critical thinking to me.
On October 26 2016 16:59 ExO_ wrote: I swear to god this happens in literally every single game I play on TL. Every time I think I make a really good case it gets dismissed and not discussed. Every single time. Its so frustrating. Am I really making that many leaps of logic with my read? I don't think so at all yet nobody will even give my case time of day
have you tried KISSing yet
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.
uhm yeah about that...
Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
On October 26 2016 23:14 GlowingBear wrote: [quote]
I'm not basing all my scumreads on btdt's. I've said why I think WoS is Mafia, and I think you're scummy, and I think Darkness was used to save a Mafia who was probably getting lynched day2, and considering HF's and btdt's filter, that person might be lunatic or even lunatic abs Vivax
On October 05 2016 09:20 AFK Jungle wrote:
Clues: There are no clues. All flavor is just that-- flavor.
and why would a no-lynch ability that is probably not a one-off be AI on either Lunatic or Vivax?
Why would town use no lynch that day? There is no town motivation to do so.
There is Mafia motivation to do so. What if both were Mafia and Koshi was saying he had a double lynxh and they would lose both players? Of course one of them or both of them are mafia
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.
uhm yeah about that...
Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
That confirms Vivax as mafia.
I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so. Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...
Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.
On October 27 2016 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote: yes exactly, it is not important. (the post was half pointed at skynx anyway.)
especially if you have limited time, finding out why he's scum, when he just obviously is, is a waste of that time. it hasn't mattered for like a week now.
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
have a free scum read
I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.
What if mafia has a no-lych and none of them are mafia? Would mafia save their cooldown?
Who cares? Vivax IS scum...
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:15 Skynx wrote:[...] and i think there is only one 3p.
uhm yeah about that...
Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
That confirms Vivax as mafia.
I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so. Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...
Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.
so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?
yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.
ok, why exactly is having lunatic as a second wagon a bad idea?
1) Its not a bad idea, no-lynch benefits mafia almost always, especially D2. But first, that was not the point of that whole conversation and 2nd it is as Acro and I mentioned, most likely to be single use ability, if not we're fucked anyway and we should prolly call gg cuz they can just save Koshi/Lunatic tomorrow even if it has some phase cooldown.
2) Technically none. Its about the psychologic part of the game. When everyone votes for Vivax and he flips mafia, it means everything is going well for town and we just continue our path by lynching Koshi/Lunatic. Whats gona happen right now with 4 votes on Luna is that, Vivax gona flip mafia, some people gona accuse Lunatic voters for stupid reasons etc. and much unnecessary drama and town is gona get more lost which is exactly what mafia is aiming for.
TL;DR: everyone voting Vivax=undisputable result phase where town can simply move on to next objective.
Like literally, imagine the koshi double lynch claim bs never happened, do you have any reason to doubt that no-lynch only happened to ensure Vivax survives another day?
Probably, but he is not scum because mafia did a no-lynch.
This is wrong. No lynch confirms him beyond limits of the universe.
If it is a one off ability, which i don't believe.
On October 27 2016 20:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
On October 27 2016 20:25 Skynx wrote: [quote] Oh you're one aswell? Nice nice 5v5v5v5 doto nice mod
aaaaaalmost how about u read thread, come back then oh and punch lunatic
now that sounds like a plan!
I don't follow you here. No-lynch is one off you say so it must be precious for mafia. Their motivation is to use it this early can only be explained by saving mafia members to have increased presence in the night.
That confirms Vivax as mafia.
I say no lynch is one off? No. Could it be? Maybe, but i don't think so. Any indication of Vivax' alignment from the no lynch is wifom.
If they have a regular cooldown no-lynch ability and you think using it doesn't confirm a lynch target mafia we might aswell give up this game right now...
Think simple man, no-lynch used to save the lynch target. Thats just the most logical assumption possible here not wifom.
so why would you (as mafia) not use a no-lynch mechanic as often as possible, even if the lynch is on a town?
I'm still waiting for an answer on this.
On October 28 2016 02:04 Skynx wrote:
On October 28 2016 01:57 ptmc wrote:
On October 28 2016 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hi, sorta here but watching blizzcon. Should I switch to luna y/n?
yes, unless too many switch. Are you here EoD?
On October 28 2016 01:53 Skynx wrote: Stay on Vivax ffs. Lunatic doesn't care so he's not gona defend, Koshi should be ignored he's just trying to stir shit up.
I mean I really have hard time comprehending you guys when we have confirmed scum alive and people wanna vote other wagons. On top of that I get sr when i suggest thats a bad idea.
ok, why exactly is having lunatic as a second wagon a bad idea?
1) Its not a bad idea, no-lynch benefits mafia almost always, especially D2. But first, that was not the point of that whole conversation and 2nd it is as Acro and I mentioned, most likely to be single use ability, if not we're fucked anyway and we should prolly call gg cuz they can just save Koshi/Lunatic tomorrow even if it has some phase cooldown.
2) Technically none. Its about the psychologic part of the game. When everyone votes for Vivax and he flips mafia, it means everything is going well for town and we just continue our path by lynching Koshi/Lunatic. Whats gona happen right now with 4 votes on Luna is that, Vivax gona flip mafia, some people gona accuse Lunatic voters for stupid reasons etc. and much unnecessary drama and town is gona get more lost which is exactly what mafia is aiming for.
TL;DR: everyone voting Vivax=undisputable result phase where town can simply move on to next objective.
1) The point of the discussion was that vivax is not confirmed scum because of the no lynch, and it still holds. 2) So killing Lunatic now just puts us ahead in our plan and gives a better read on Koshi. You just sound scummier by the minute, mate.
On October 28 2016 02:32 Skynx wrote: Like literally, imagine the koshi double lynch claim bs never happened, do you have any reason to doubt that no-lynch only happened to ensure Vivax survives another day?
of course the no lynch only happened so that vivax survived another day (disregarding the possible double). but how does that make vivax scum? It is just one more cycle with one more mafia either way (unless the mafia are scum read and killed off in a relatively earlier cycle because of the extra time to fuck up)
2) No, we're not killing Lunatic, we're killing Vivax. We won't getting anything out of pressuring either of them, cuz they just bullshit.
Like I dunno how you can see the bolded here... HE IS SCUM, SCUM USED ABILITY TO SAVE HIS ASS...
2) No, we're not killing Lunatic, we're killing Vivax. We won't getting anything out of pressuring either of them, cuz they just bullshit.
Like I dunno how you can see the bolded here... HE IS SCUM, SCUM USED ABILITY TO SAVE HIS ASS...
We probably don't lose anything with having Lunatic being the second wagon. If it somehow goes no lynch again, we kill Koshi at night and then basically have the longest day 2 in TL history (due to 2 no lynches).
We get a double lynch then we are caught back up to a normal game.
Ooooooh so you guys actually still think double lynch is an option lol...
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All according to the plan guys, see you tomorrow. #voteKoshi
On October 28 2016 09:15 Tubesock wrote: I'll attack Koshi tonight.
Why do you want to constantly attack me? Do you think I am mafia? And if I am, why? Because I don't read anything about that in your filter. The opposite even.
You're scum because you did 0 scum hunting this game. Two others on the list suggesting this other then me are dead.
If i get lynched befoe Koshi at this point i can only wish gl to ritoky cuz this town sux.
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