[T] Dota 2 Mafia - Page 8

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:17 GMT

#1233

On October 21 2016 17:16 Acrofales wrote:
Good morning. I crashed and am now awake and heading to work. Rather than pick the usual suspects, I am focusing on my acquaintances: and H1 was null in my sheet, so I opened that filter up. I think there's a good chance he's the best chance we have so far at lynching scum d1, and here's why:
He has done nothing of consequence. Scum H1 is a worse lurker than town H1, and the lurk is pretty bad in this one.

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Looks like a scum slip. Town doesn't win the game ever by lurking until lylo. Let's kill him. Not just because of this, but because his entire filter is a big pile of trash.

Here's another gem:

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Except that he didn't publicly out the doctor. Relying on scum being stupid and ignorant is never going to be a winning strategy, so this is just throwing shade.

After that he flip-flops on ExO_ a bit before he backpedals and soft-coaches ExO_. He then claims and fucks off for 20hrs. His re-entry is to do nothing and promise to play today.

There's a chance this is all just uncertain townie trying to figure it out, but it just doesn't feel that way to me. Add that to the lurk and I really want to murder H1. Let's do it!

##vote: hopeless1der

On October 21 2016 17:44 Acrofales wrote:

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Actually there's precedent. I thought I remembered that, and I die. From the caverns of time, I bring you the first time I caught H1 with his hand in the cookie jar:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16808209

Note the first part? A similarly innocuous, yet very telling look into the mind of a scummer. Let's nail this scumbag!

alright fuck it you might be on to something here

wave is right tho that the 'scumslip' isn't really much of one. im pretty sure i remember when i first played with hopeless (a newbie game i think? dunno) he posted something in a similar vein and we mislynched him for what we thought was a 'scumslip' (and general lurking ofc)
i dont remember the exact situation tho. im not even 100% it was hopeless, but point is hopeless definitely derps as town too.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:18 GMT

#1234

On October 21 2016 18:07 Vivax wrote:
Hi, don't mind me. I'm just fulfilling the minimum requirement to not get modkilled. Low priority was tough. I'm sure you already deducted from my voluminous filter that I'm obviously town.

Here's a token vote on the scummiest person in the thread:

##Vote: Rels

kill it with fire

On October 21 2016 18:29 Vivax wrote:
Here's a list of people that shouldn't be killed D1: Acro, ritoky, Dandel, hopeless (can't believe I think this), iamp. As for the rest I either didn't read them yet or I didn't see anything that read like town.

Off to uni, laters.

kill it with fire

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:33 GMT

#1238

skynx, i just dunno man

he blatantly kind-of-soft-defends koshi, and it actually looks shitty enough that i think he's serious about it
i dont like that he thinks iamps filter has nothing
i dont like that his problem with tubesocks reads are that they "come out of nowhere" (#871 cant link deal w/ it), and not the content (i remind that two of the three were essentially 'exo for what other people said' and 'wave for tone'), or even the fact that they're just TRs.
i dont mind the LT read actually
i dont like the thread policing, but maybe thats meta nowadays, lots of newbies i dont reckognize do it so w/e take it or leave it.

just post way more so i can make up my mind kthx

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:38 GMT

#1240

btnd is just stuck in the past
the poor guy, time just stopped for him
and all we hear are faint echoes of 'lynch koshiiiiiiiii' and 'dandel does nothingggg'

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:38 GMT

#1241

only one of those is actually objectionable but you get the point

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:43 GMT

#1244

call me stubborn but i still like hopeless' read progression on exo and his approach of ricooty
yeah its pretty meh since its just early stuff, but being who he is we wont really get more to go on.

wouldnt lynch, wouldnt shoot him myself. but would also not stop anybody from doing so, im not his momma after all (and that i could be wrong but largely i just didnt give birth to him)

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:49 GMT

#1249

leaving in half an hour or so (but realistically now since i need to get stuff rdy), should be back ~2 hours before deadline

I support acro's list +exo +skynx -hopeless
if you have questions for me i'll still answer for a bit but otherwise im donezo

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 11:51 GMT

#1250

basically ill lynch anyone with an x in their name

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 12:18 GMT

#1261

On October 21 2016 21:00 ptmc wrote:

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Hey, i said i would do stuff today

im an impatient man

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 12:27 GMT

#1266

On October 21 2016 21:19 ptmc wrote:

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On October 21 2016 21:18 Dandel Ion wrote:

On October 21 2016 21:00 ptmc wrote:

On October 21 2016 20:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
fucking ebwop

On October 21 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote:
Kurumi- i dont understand this kid. I dont like the way he plays i dont like his list i dont like the self post for no reason i dont even like his name. but on reread seems to be confident he wont be lynched post 1009 he might be trying to figure things out i guess. ill put as null and unvote. Noithing he does makes sense to me though.

Skynx- scum read. Posting stuff but does not seem in my view to be trying to kill mafia. Example post 868 throws some shade on me but does nothing with it.

ExO_- something about his tone just seems unatural to me. Post 368 for example does come across to me as genuine. Literally the only thing in his filter talks about wos and could be that thing were scum catch a mistake by town try to make it scummy and focus on it entirely. Post 420 is bad after some time brings nothing to the table and then later on just talks about wave again. votes for dandel but dosent seem interested in actually killing and talks about wave more

not like the content of the list or just that he posts lists?

i should read skynx filter im just writing this to remind myself

agreed on exo, hes like a btnd without the redeeming activity, but at least with less spamming. 'go down list of scumtells, push those scumtells, ignore everything else'
bookkeepers, man

On October 21 2016 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also iamp you are like...opposite to me on so many reads.
I don't know why you think any of BTDT's activity makes him top town.
He is literally playing the easiest way for a newer player to do so as either alignment, and that's the way you're 'supposed to.'

its the easiest way, but it's still more effort than most noob scums put into scummering. i'm kinda just sitting here waiting if he can keep it up. if he drops we can revisit him but until then im not really concerned. just annoyed.

On October 21 2016 11:59 iamperfection wrote:

On October 21 2016 11:53 Acrofales wrote:

On October 21 2016 11:51 iamperfection wrote:

On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote:
It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.

If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.

post your spreadsheet

Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.

do what i did

I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.

I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:

Lunaticman
Glowingbear
Hazura Tako bell
Tubesock

All for being useless lurkers.

Would also lynch

Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure
Ptmc: blending

this sounds pretty good.
ptmc coming in when called out, just defending himself, leaving. (sorry there was also a post purely about game mechanics) the defense itself was fine actually but i still dont like the whole package. i backed off to give him room to do his thing, and no thing was done feels bad man

On October 21 2016 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Holyflare might be town because he thought ritoky might be mafia for the forced funny gifs

that's the part that made you feel town?
uh ok.

Hey, i said i would do stuff today

im an impatient man

fair enough. Do you think Wave had tmi on his amount-of-mafia post?

not really? not tmi, we definitely dont have 8-9 scum (i havent actually counted up your post so not sure what the objectionable number even is here) i can tell you that too, it is however a very silly post and he should feel like a silly sausage for posting it.

anyway, outta here~

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 18:19 GMT

#1445

yo im back early
i see vivax is wagoned let me just step out for a sec

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 18:21 GMT

#1450

anyway will catch up on the thread now, since he's a wagon i bet vivax did something retarded and i want to see it

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 18:43 GMT

#1490

On October 22 2016 01:33 AFK Jungle wrote:

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Another thing on this. If your ability has any restrictions you may not say what those restrictions are. If your ability targets only dire. You may not say this. You can ask someone if they are dire. But you may not say why you are asking.

Doing so past this point will result in you losing that ability. Yes we are reading the game.

the modconfirms doe
hohoho

i guess ptmc is cool after all

On October 22 2016 01:47 sicklucker wrote:

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On October 21 2016 22:09 Acrofales wrote:

On October 21 2016 20:57 ptmc wrote:
Ticktock:
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Hopeless' arguing feels town
Exo prob town for his interaction with Wave
Wave's arguing feels town
Iam feels scum
likes BM's post about Wave/Exo
dislikes HF
dislikes me for my post on Wave
likes Acro
dislikes Dandel's return on pg 23 as well as all his shitposting, but feels he has some good posts
says it is normal to not like sicklucker

Basically only productive posts. Town.

Rels:
has done nothing.
Lurker -> Null

Vivax:
has done nothing.
Lurker -> Null

HF:
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votes ritoky for meta-reads
dislikes coordinated attacks
dislikes sicklucker
dislikes koshi for only town-reads and then going afk
wary of wave, since he is only coasting
dislikes the same post that ticktock likes by BM
dislikes more posts by BM, but downgrades to a maybe mafia because he could just be retarded
Thinks Skynx has a shit filter
Thinks lunatics filter is scummy
thinks i'm on point
thinks ritoky hedges a lot
dislikes that GB only placeholder-votes for ritoky
dislikes ticktock for his general style and liking BM's post

productive -> town

Skynx:
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Starts really weak, but then shapes up:
dislikes Tubesock and BM
dislikes LT
pressure on lurkers

still not a lot, but towny

Iamp:
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needs a healer
wants to coordinate
slightly town on ritoky
townreads hopeless, acro, wave, btdt
thinks acro is bad tho
thinks koshi could be town for tone
dislikes HF's lack of activity, gets in argument with Kurumi about it
dislikes Kurumis defense of HF and pushes for votes on him
agrees with HF's assessment of BM

Lists all his reads, null:
Tubesock, no interactions with the thread
Acro, now has a bad feeling about his posts
Kurumi, "nothing he does makes sense to me"
Lunaticman, "I dont fucking now"
BM, doesn't want to read his filter
Holpess, ain't doing shit, no longer tr
Ticktock, dislikes his post on BM, but waiting to see what he does
me, I voted for him and now vote for Wave because he plays sub-optimally, I might be scum
scum:
GB: scum, doesn't do anything
LT, lurker with only trash posts
Skynx: doesn't try to lynch mafia
Exo: unnatural tone, only talks about Wave, vote on Dandel
lurker:
Eversince, Vivax, Rels

Votes Exo, direkting KP towards Lurkers or GB

Wave calls iamp out for not having LT in his list, copies the same reason as he had in his list again
Tries to get Exo out of his tunnel

good read-progression, solid reads imo. town.

Sicklucker:
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claims Bloodseeker
wants coordination
HF leans town
Acro is mafia (soul reading)
dislikes GB
not sold wave is town
iamp is town, because he townread sl and hf
now does not want to stack kp

unsure -> null

btdt:
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Exo's post on Wave feels towny
Dandel is only posting shit, votes him
likes acros, dislikes Lunatics vote (disinterest or scummy)
Koshi is wishy-washy, might be scum
tries to keep the thread clean, towny tone
scumleans dandel, but will not push him atm
starts to push koshi instead
votes koshi

list: Lynch Koshi, Lunatic, Wave, Policy
Maybe Dandel

calls Koshi scum for still only being reactive
Sees even dandel trying to solve the game, but not koshi
dislikes sicklucker
dislikes iamp: not much content, soft koshi defense
dandel sucks again
sticks on Lunatic as well, no longer wants Wave dead, Iamp instead.
Says BM's weird posts fit his meta
back to disliking Wave for dodging questions

very productive, sticks to his reads -> town

Exo:
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Calls out Wave for (fake) claiming Dazzle
dislikes the way Wave follows up on his claim
Dislikes how Dandel clutters the thread, changes vote to dandel
slight town lean on ritoky

not a lot of variance in his filter, but I like that he sticks with his read. -> town lean

Lunatic:
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Koshi is "obviously" scum
does not want to clutter the thread
btdt gets a tone town read
not sure on HF
gets sr by HF, now HF is scum for defending Koshi

I wanted to sr him, but he makes good sense in his defense and provided arguments for his reads -> town lean

Hamazura:
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Dislikes Dandel for shitposting
Dislikes Sicklucker "for the reason HF mentioned"

very little productivity -> scum lean

Tubesock:
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Likes Acro, Exo, Wave, not sure who to lynch
dislikes Koshi, Hamazura, and vivax' inactivity
unsure on GB, doesn't see why people scumread SL while also wanting to consolidate
asks people for their reads
might end up on me, tries to decide about Koshi
hasn't had his eureka moment that gets him productive

nothing tangible in his filter -> scum lean

BM:
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Kurumi is trolling
shitposts for days
gut feeling on ritoky, one of him and hopeless will be mafia (but he could be wrong)
Wave is probably scum, Exo put into words what BM was thinking
dislikes Hopeless
Town: iamp, exo, ritoky, kurumi, Dandel
Scum: WoS, hopeless
Wave has provided enough to unvote
likes tubesock
likes lunatic
thinks koshi is genuine
votes HF
posts self meta as to why he is not mafia
ticktock is mafia
is fine with lynching kurumi for his weird defense of HF
likes Ticktock

I dislike the self-meta stuff, his read progression makes little sense to me -> likely scum

Acro:
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joke-votes Skynx?
votes Iamp for role-fishing
slight tr on exo, null o Wave
wants exo to stop tunneling, but wants to know why wave semi-claimed
scum vibes of koshi -> koshi is town
thread police is a role scum like to take -> btdt
calls lunatic scum for his Koshi-vote
calls HF scum for his ritoky-vote in the same vein
He can't move on his own? Has claimed roshan
unvotes iamp, because he wants to figure him out later
Playing erratic is Kurumis thing?

List: Not liking Skynx, Tubesock, me, GB, Koshi,
on the fence: Wave, iamp, btdt
Town: Damdrel, Exo, Kurumi (good vibe)

Wants to ignore BM
New list with Lunatic, GB, Hamazu, Tubesock as lynches, and Koshi and me -> Skynx missing
LT is useless but he sympathises with LT's list

rereads Helpful, and thinks he is Scum for being a useless lurker
still thinks i am a good lynch

Can you please look at BM? other than that, probably town

Koshi:
starts with a town tone, gets way worse after #493
nothing actually noteworthy in his filter -> scumlean

Eversince:
afk -> null

Kurumi:
his posts are not really helpful, and i disagree a fair bit with his lists (if i even decipher them correctly). Posts #1009 and 1012 are decent tho. -> null/scum lean

ritoky:
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likes dandel, dislikes hopeless because he was present and contributed nothing
exo tentatively town
Wave tentatively town
likes that hopeless digs exo out of the tunnel
also town HF, iamp, btdt (for activity), me, kurumi, dandel
GB gets a scum lean for not fighting with HF
gives two cases, for lunatic (not pushing Koshi hard enough as his scum read, his HF read is funky) and GB (no excitement)

productive -> town lean

Hopeless:
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omgus pushes ritoky, but puts him back to null after answers
Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow?
dislikes Exo's push -> Vote Exo
tries to get exo out of his tunnel

little meaningful content so far -> scum lean. Said he will play properly today

Dandel:
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claims Techies
reads iamp town because he is funny
gets called out for shitposting by btdt
thinks exo is scum
I liked how he brought up my point on Lunatic, and the interaction we had after it
dislikes Vivax

should be town

Wave:
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(disregarding his "claim" post)
doubts Dandel is scum
suspicious of btdt
Acro and Kurumi are town
lot of filler
Hamazu gets townread
wants to coordinate
sicklucker reeks of scum, would lynch SL or btdt
wants to make LT squirm
scumreads me for voting for him

Still not sure about him, so my vote seems good still. What happened with SL or btdt being your lynches? -> scumlean

GB:
HF and Acro might be town
votes ritoky as placeholder

useless lurk -> scum lean

LT:
wants to lynch people he hasn't played with before
wants to kill Kurumi for emote spam

useless lurk -> scum lean

Now some of this has been outdated (started around page 61 i think), but that is where i am at right now

The good:
Seems like actual note-taking and effort went into reading the thread.

The bad:
Waffly and wishy washy. There's no reason scum can't make list posts, and simply calling half the players "scum leans" is not very useful. Then again, half the players are scummy bastards, so hard to make much else of that. Voting for WoS seems meh. We're not gonna kill WoS today, so put in some effort on finding someone else. For instance, you could join me on the H1 train to scumlandia!

The ugly:
DI claimed techies? Whut?

techies is third party or mafia for sure did someone really claim it? :D

whut
i never claimed techies. i never would. im not even playing dota.

On October 22 2016 01:47 Acrofales wrote:

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Waits for mod confirmation. Hard defends recipient. You the comic relief guy, right?

lul

On October 22 2016 02:08 sicklucker wrote:
Does anyone have a good reason why I shouldnt attack wave of shadow? All he does is spam suck up to hf and steal my plans and call me scum for coming up with the same plans as him.

honestly not rly, id be fine with it. the only thing i got is that we can definitely do better than that.

On October 22 2016 03:28 Holyflare wrote:

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I don't really care if you agree or not he feels really off.

Absolutely all of his reads are arse backwards and opposite opinions to what I see when I look at those posts.

His entrance as I said before was bs and literally a waste of time and tells us how he's going to play the game instead of playing it.

He doesn't form a coherent thought process with his perpetual catching up strategy, he says things that I have pointed, out he starts to agree with me that ritoky is weird (he seems to think my ritoky read was meta even though it's all entirely in game posts aka he isn't reading or giving a shit), he sees that kurumi was hard defending me and he hasn't disliked anything I've said but he's put me in an arbitrary "there's mafia in here" list with both ritoky and kurumi.

He points out stuff that's already been talked about and realises it and says "oh i should catch up before posting" but then repeats the same things people have said all over again.

He found ritoky suspicious for putting himself at the top of a list, ritoky pointed this out and it's actually an excellent point. Nobody gets angry at that wtf.

There's an abundance of him defending fringe people, defended sicklucker, defended hopeless, defended GB. Defending gb is also another thing that doesn't make sense from his perspective, ritoky says that gb isn't pushing me and he usually does so it's scummy but tt defends gb while pushing that ritoky was scummy for not calling me out.

He wants to lynch ptmc too and i like that guy and did before it was cool and mod related.

On October 22 2016 03:29 Acrofales wrote:

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There is no bad lynch on Vivax. At lylo, if the other guy claims scum, it is still a great idea to lynch Vivax.

this guy gets it

On October 22 2016 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want to lynch vivax

man and you were doing so well

wait im already at live let me just post this wall and start anew

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 18:44 GMT

#1493

actually the rest is shitposts, no second wall coming

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 18:45 GMT

#1496

so ill just read through TT instead

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 18:46 GMT

#1498

On October 22 2016 03:45 Holyflare wrote:
I've been burnt by town vivax doing the same thing before

yeah but vivax is a great lynch even if he is town

that he's doing nothing and being scum is just a plus

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 19:14 GMT

#1521

On October 22 2016 03:48 iamperfection wrote:

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Post 1015 was terrible [...]

word

#1058
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I'm really confused by this. Him really vuagly hinting that he might be a protective role is scummy, but you straight out saying he is claiming doc here and thus outing him to everyone is.... ?

Actually I really doubt scum posts something like this, Exo is prob town. I'm gunna enjoy looking for scum in the reactions to this post though...

never looks for scum in reactions feels bad man

i dont mind #1064 much i guess

i think the jump in #1228 is actually the scummiest thing i see, goes from 'gb is busy because of RL' to not playing fitting his town meta. if he's busy irl it has nothing to do with his alignment. feels like a fabrication imo

#1252

Was gunna say something about expecting him to replace out if he was town and has no time to play, but then I realized that might be even more true if he was scum...

u wot m8
that does remind me that rels is even in the game tho*

i also dislike the entitled tone whenever he mentions playing the game like we're supposed to give him credit for just that + Show Spoiler +

yes i know i also do that occasionally but 1) im allowed to be hypocritical and 2) not that much and not that dramatically

thats what im getting

as for hfs case
i also disagree with a lot of the reads and conclusions, but thats not neccessarily a scumtell
mad he isn't associative reading with the kurimi bit? meh
the rikoty thing was kind of odd i suppose
the fringe people thing didnt jump out to me but you're actually right. could be tmi. i townlean two of those myself i should doublecheck how he got there #stillnotdone

*not relevant to the read, just an aside

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 19:21 GMT

#1532

consider me unvoted in spirit but im still checking up on if TT is the best alternative

we could just vote another random lurker and hope they randomly show up too lel

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 19:24 GMT

#1537

On October 22 2016 04:18 Vivax wrote:

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Yet when he gives his reasons for voting for me:

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My townreads were: Iamp, ritoky among these. And I just don't see TT having them as easy townreads like he claims mine were. Which is to prove further that his reason to suspect me is construed.

i actually totally missed that looks really bad

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

October 21 2016 19:25 GMT

#1538

yeah this is good
#vote ticktoc and such

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