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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 10:38 GMT
#1221
On October 21 2016 12:38 ExO_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 12:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And thoughts on ptmc now?


And exo, take a hint

I think he wants you to maybe be useful and stop focusing on me for absolutely nothing

just a thought

you know

a little advice


Can we just clear it up then, why did you open the way you did? Was there a reason for fake claiming a protective role or what? Don't just be hostile and dismissive towards me, work with me a bit


I'm amazed you are still on this dude.

Like actually starting to think this is either a forced tunnel or you have literally no clue what kind of game this is.

You had to read into that initial post a fair bit to come up with "Wave is soft claiming Doc" he never really claimed. There is also so much more to read into yet you keep bringing this one thing up that tbh, you kinda fabricated yourself.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 10:47 GMT
#1222
On October 21 2016 13:03 ritoky wrote:
give a read on me


Aww Rit (initially read this as a cry for attn)

Honestly I was thinking you were solid town until I saw you put HF (and a few others, but w/e) into your town list. Given that HF has been pushing you for a pretty silly meta-reason and you basically gave no reaction to that nor did you try to engage HF about it feels really off to me.

Like if you are town then either HF is scum trying to lynch you so you push back, or you think he is mistaken town and try to talk to him. Instead you basically ignored HF and give him an easy townread?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 10:56 GMT
#1223
On October 21 2016 14:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Wave: pls, KP can do what they want, it's a free game

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 12:19 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also interesting to note Lord Tolkien is nowhere in your list.

I actually remember a game where someone forgot to include someone else in a list and it ended up being crucial somehow.

Tictoc was it you in our scum game a million years ago? I feel like it was.

24 Lord Tolkien- lurker but worse as what he little he has posted is trash imo. make useless list for lynch then complains about lists later LUL. might just be bad. for got to copy

Pls. My list isn't there to whore for town-cred. I just don't want to bother learning new player metas, because this site is all about the meta.

Which reminds me, have I actually played with you in mafia, or just dota.


This is really not true, though some players play like meta is king. Meta will actually bite you in the ass as often as it will help you.

You can't avoid using some meta because it's hard to ignore stuff that stands out with players you are experienced with. Relying on meta solely is a cop out though, and you should feel bad for limiting yourself to such shit play.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 11:00 GMT
#1224
On October 21 2016 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Holyflare might be town because he thought ritoky might be mafia for the forced funny gifs

I think Acrofales might be town, I liked his answer to me. But sometimes I don't like his answer because it felt evasive, then I think he is mafia. But that answer was genuine so he might be town

Meh


Holy shit GB playing the game?

[image loading]

Err I mean, glad to see ya GB ^.^

+ Show Spoiler +
I kinda hate that I have a really bad townread on you already
I can take that responsibility.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 11:00 GMT
#1225
On October 21 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote:
Kurumi- i dont understand this kid. I dont like the way he plays i dont like his list i dont like the self post for no reason i dont even like his name. but on reread seems to be confident he wont be lynched post 1009 he might be trying to figure things out i guess. ill put as null and unvote. Noithing he does makes sense to me though.


Skynx- scum read. Posting stuff but does not seem in my view to be trying to kill mafia. Example post 868 throws some shade on me but does nothing with it.

ExO_- something about his tone just seems unatural to me. Post 368 for example does come across to me as genuine. Literally the only thing in his filter talks about wos and could be that thing were scum catch a mistake by town try to make it scummy and focus on it entirely. Post 420 is bad after some time brings nothing to the table and then later on just talks about wave again. votes for dandel but dosent seem interested in actually killing and talks about wave more

not like the content of the list or just that he posts lists?

i should read skynx filter im just writing this to remind myself

agreed on exo, hes like a btnd without the redeeming activity, but at least with less spamming. 'go down list of scumtells, push those scumtells, ignore everything else'
bookkeepers, man


On October 21 2016 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also iamp you are like...opposite to me on so many reads.
I don't know why you think any of BTDT's activity makes him top town.
He is literally playing the easiest way for a newer player to do so as either alignment, and that's the way you're 'supposed to.'

its the easiest way, but it's still more effort than most noob scums put into scummering. i'm kinda just sitting here waiting if he can keep it up. if he drops we can revisit him but until then im not really concerned. just annoyed.

On October 21 2016 11:59 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:51 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote:
It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.

If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.

post your spreadsheet

Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.

do what i did

I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.

I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:

Lunaticman
Glowingbear
Hazura Tako bell
Tubesock

All for being useless lurkers.

Would also lynch

Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure
Ptmc: blending
[/QUOTE]
this sounds pretty good.
ptmc coming in when called out, just defending himself, leaving. (sorry there was also a post purely about game mechanics) the defense itself was fine actually but i still dont like the whole package. i backed off to give him room to do his thing, and no thing was done feels bad man

On October 21 2016 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Holyflare might be town because he thought ritoky might be mafia for the forced funny gifs

that's the part that made you feel town?
uh ok.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 21 2016 11:01 GMT
#1226
I skimmed the last 20 pages, and before I go offline again, I wanted to bring up Koshi again. My case still stands and he disappeared. He's playing exactly like he did in the last 3 games where he was scum.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 11:02 GMT
#1227
fucking ebwop
On October 21 2016 11:49 iamperfection wrote:
Kurumi- i dont understand this kid. I dont like the way he plays i dont like his list i dont like the self post for no reason i dont even like his name. but on reread seems to be confident he wont be lynched post 1009 he might be trying to figure things out i guess. ill put as null and unvote. Noithing he does makes sense to me though.


Skynx- scum read. Posting stuff but does not seem in my view to be trying to kill mafia. Example post 868 throws some shade on me but does nothing with it.

ExO_- something about his tone just seems unatural to me. Post 368 for example does come across to me as genuine. Literally the only thing in his filter talks about wos and could be that thing were scum catch a mistake by town try to make it scummy and focus on it entirely. Post 420 is bad after some time brings nothing to the table and then later on just talks about wave again. votes for dandel but dosent seem interested in actually killing and talks about wave more

not like the content of the list or just that he posts lists?

i should read skynx filter im just writing this to remind myself

agreed on exo, hes like a btnd without the redeeming activity, but at least with less spamming. 'go down list of scumtells, push those scumtells, ignore everything else'
bookkeepers, man


On October 21 2016 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also iamp you are like...opposite to me on so many reads.
I don't know why you think any of BTDT's activity makes him top town.
He is literally playing the easiest way for a newer player to do so as either alignment, and that's the way you're 'supposed to.'

its the easiest way, but it's still more effort than most noob scums put into scummering. i'm kinda just sitting here waiting if he can keep it up. if he drops we can revisit him but until then im not really concerned. just annoyed.

Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 11:59 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:51 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote:
It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.

If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.

post your spreadsheet

Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.

do what i did

I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.

I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:

Lunaticman
Glowingbear
Hazura Tako bell
Tubesock

All for being useless lurkers.

Would also lynch

Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure
Ptmc: blending

this sounds pretty good.
ptmc coming in when called out, just defending himself, leaving. (sorry there was also a post purely about game mechanics) the defense itself was fine actually but i still dont like the whole package. i backed off to give him room to do his thing, and no thing was done feels bad man

On October 21 2016 14:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Holyflare might be town because he thought ritoky might be mafia for the forced funny gifs

that's the part that made you feel town?
uh ok.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 11:08 GMT
#1228
On October 21 2016 14:45 ritoky wrote:
Has GB changed since I have been gone? That is not how he used to get his HF read.


Last few games I've seen GB in he has been extremely lackluster and hardly played. I guess he's all important with some RL job or w/e...

Sadly this kinda fits his townplay of late.

On October 21 2016 14:48 ritoky wrote:
To clarify, I have been mafia with him before and in the QT he says "I am going to rumble with HF, call him mafia or disagree with him cuz that's how I normally get a read on him." I have also seen him many times as town just fight with HF even if he doesn't believe it just to get his HF read.

Passively agreeing with him seems different. Leaning toward bad different.


So you think he is scum with HF?
I can take that responsibility.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 11:09 GMT
#1229
On October 21 2016 14:10 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 09:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
If you're referring to the plan to stack KP, I still think that needs to happen, and I will push for it as best I can.
I think the worry about a potential PGO/bus driver/whatever/etc is silly.

In fact, I'm going to propose three town!KP targets right now that I suggest everyone with KP stack on (that doesn't have another ability they plan on using this phase).

Lord Tolkien
sicklucker
Glowingbear.

Stack your KPs on one of those three. I don't see a point in KPing the straight up non-posters because they will be replaced.


you know stacking kp was my idea right? =]

urghlasdhlkhawldk
this is my opinion on that post

On October 21 2016 16:18 Tictock wrote:
Yea I'm looking at you Dandel... Most of your posts looks like you are shit posting for the hell of it.

some are
most likely significantly less than you think tho
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 11:12 GMT
#1230
On October 21 2016 14:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh and the best BEST part about the KP stacking plan is, I don't really think I care much if everyone is coordinated on it or not. The important part is damage claiming, and I will say right now, if you hide how much damage you take at the end of the phase, you get lynched because there is ZERO reason for town to hide that info.

(Note i say 'how much damage you took,' not how much HP you have left. Vital difference in useful info for scum/town)

It would be very nice if we could eliminate some of the unknowns/chaff with this though.


Just reposting this kus it's absolutely true. You should listen to this advice regardless of what you think about Wave's alignment.
I can take that responsibility.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 21 2016 11:14 GMT
#1231
Dandel's filter still empty and shit :/
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
October 21 2016 11:14 GMT
#1232
oh well bye. seeya in like 6 hours
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 11:17 GMT
#1233
On October 21 2016 17:16 Acrofales wrote:
Good morning. I crashed and am now awake and heading to work. Rather than pick the usual suspects, I am focusing on my acquaintances: and H1 was null in my sheet, so I opened that filter up. I think there's a good chance he's the best chance we have so far at lynching scum d1, and here's why:
He has done nothing of consequence. Scum H1 is a worse lurker than town H1, and the lurk is pretty bad in this one.

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted

aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.

Looks like a scum slip. Town doesn't win the game ever by lurking until lylo. Let's kill him. Not just because of this, but because his entire filter is a big pile of trash.

Here's another gem:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:50 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote:
Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is:

On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.

Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?


For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor.

I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me.

Oh the irony


What do you mean exactly?

The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.


Except that he didn't publicly out the doctor. Relying on scum being stupid and ignorant is never going to be a winning strategy, so this is just throwing shade.

After that he flip-flops on ExO_ a bit before he backpedals and soft-coaches ExO_. He then claims and fucks off for 20hrs. His re-entry is to do nothing and promise to play today.

There's a chance this is all just uncertain townie trying to figure it out, but it just doesn't feel that way to me. Add that to the lurk and I really want to murder H1. Let's do it!

##vote: hopeless1der

On October 21 2016 17:44 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 17:29 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 17:25 Acrofales wrote:
On October 21 2016 17:18 ritoky wrote:
What is the scumslip?


On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted

aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.

The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.

It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.


..........That is so far from what I would qualify as a scum slip....


Actually there's precedent. I thought I remembered that, and I die. From the caverns of time, I bring you the first time I caught H1 with his hand in the cookie jar:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16808209

Note the first part? A similarly innocuous, yet very telling look into the mind of a scummer. Let's nail this scumbag!

alright fuck it you might be on to something here

wave is right tho that the 'scumslip' isn't really much of one. im pretty sure i remember when i first played with hopeless (a newbie game i think? dunno) he posted something in a similar vein and we mislynched him for what we thought was a 'scumslip' (and general lurking ofc)
i dont remember the exact situation tho. im not even 100% it was hopeless, but point is hopeless definitely derps as town too.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 11:18 GMT
#1234
On October 21 2016 18:07 Vivax wrote:
Hi, don't mind me. I'm just fulfilling the minimum requirement to not get modkilled. Low priority was tough. I'm sure you already deducted from my voluminous filter that I'm obviously town.

Here's a token vote on the scummiest person in the thread:


##Vote: Rels

kill it with fire

On October 21 2016 18:29 Vivax wrote:
Here's a list of people that shouldn't be killed D1: Acro, ritoky, Dandel, hopeless (can't believe I think this), iamp. As for the rest I either didn't read them yet or I didn't see anything that read like town.

Off to uni, laters.

kill it with fire
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 11:21 GMT
#1235
On October 21 2016 17:16 Acrofales wrote:
Good morning. I crashed and am now awake and heading to work. Rather than pick the usual suspects, I am focusing on my acquaintances: and H1 was null in my sheet, so I opened that filter up. I think there's a good chance he's the best chance we have so far at lynching scum d1, and here's why:
He has done nothing of consequence. Scum H1 is a worse lurker than town H1, and the lurk is pretty bad in this one.

Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted

aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.

Looks like a scum slip. Town doesn't win the game ever by lurking until lylo. Let's kill him. Not just because of this, but because his entire filter is a big pile of trash.

Here's another gem:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:50 ExO_ wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
On October 20 2016 10:46 ExO_ wrote:
Hello all. I hate day 1 but I'll be here. I'm ready for all the baseless analysis that always goes on. I have not really read the thread yet, but the first thing I notice is:

On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.

Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?


For those that aren't aware he's referencing the hero dazzle, who has an ability called shadow wave. Dazzle also has an ability called shadow grave, which prevents people from dying. So to anybody who's vaguely familiar with dota, he's basically coming out immediately and claiming some form of doctor.

I don't think the doc should come in and announce themselves right away. This looks hella scummy to me.

Oh the irony


What do you mean exactly?

The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.


Except that he didn't publicly out the doctor. Relying on scum being stupid and ignorant is never going to be a winning strategy, so this is just throwing shade.

After that he flip-flops on ExO_ a bit before he backpedals and soft-coaches ExO_. He then claims and fucks off for 20hrs. His re-entry is to do nothing and promise to play today.

There's a chance this is all just uncertain townie trying to figure it out, but it just doesn't feel that way to me. Add that to the lurk and I really want to murder H1. Let's do it!

##vote: hopeless1der


I don't think Hopeless ever called Exo scum, he was just pointing out the irony of Exo's initial post about Wave.

I vulgarly recall having a slight townlean on Hopeless, but I can't recall why now. I'll make a note to look at him again later.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 11:25 GMT
#1236
On October 21 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 17:23 Tictock wrote:
On October 21 2016 05:34 ritoky wrote:
town is something like:
ritoky
holyflare
iamp
btdt
exo
ptmc
kurumi
hopeless
dandel
wos


I really dislike this list...

Putting yourself on top is such a dick move. Also you put almost everyone I'm considering to be scum atm in this list.

And clearly missed some obv town.


Also, the bolded alone might make TT mafia.


Lol come at me. Not impressed that you can call yourself town.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 11:27 GMT
#1237
On October 21 2016 18:07 Vivax wrote:
Hi, don't mind me. I'm just fulfilling the minimum requirement to not get modkilled. Low priority was tough. I'm sure you already deducted from my voluminous filter that I'm obviously town.

Here's a token vote on the scummiest person in the thread:


##Vote: Vivax


FTFY
I can take that responsibility.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 11:33 GMT
#1238
skynx, i just dunno man

he blatantly kind-of-soft-defends koshi, and it actually looks shitty enough that i think he's serious about it
i dont like that he thinks iamps filter has nothing
i dont like that his problem with tubesocks reads are that they "come out of nowhere" (#871 cant link deal w/ it), and not the content (i remind that two of the three were essentially 'exo for what other people said' and 'wave for tone'), or even the fact that they're just TRs.
i dont mind the LT read actually
i dont like the thread policing, but maybe thats meta nowadays, lots of newbies i dont reckognize do it so w/e take it or leave it.

just post way more so i can make up my mind kthx
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 11:35 GMT
#1239
On October 21 2016 20:14 beentheredonethat wrote:
Dandel's filter still empty and shit :/


I'm actually liking his posts more and more. He kinda reminds me of me actually if I hadn't started off super far behind, trolly for the first half of the phase but gets into it as the game goes on.
I can take that responsibility.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 11:38 GMT
#1240
btnd is just stuck in the past
the poor guy, time just stopped for him
and all we hear are faint echoes of 'lynch koshiiiiiiiii' and 'dandel does nothingggg'
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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