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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 21 2016 08:48 GMT
#1201
On October 21 2016 17:25 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 17:18 ritoky wrote:
What is the scumslip?


Show nested quote +
On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted

aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.

The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.

It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.

Hopeless is always hopeless
And lurky.
Am not convinced. We can add him to the short list though
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 08:51 GMT
#1202
Ok got to pg 50 before I'm burning out.

Starting to think HF might have a point about Rit, that townlist post bothered me but even moreso in how he is refusing to engage HF but asking other people their opinion of HF's read.

Ptmc is seeming like the best lynch to me atm. I already noted some stuff, and the only thing he has brought to the table is a very poorly based meta-read on Lunatic.

Koshi I could go either way on, maybe even slightly scum reading at this point as he's mostly just defended himself and posted drivel.

Iam is still on my mind as well, but I kinda want to review his filter. Kurumi is kinda in the same boat because of the weird way he was defending HF when there was only one post from HF. I think there is almost for sure scum somewhere in Iam, Kurumi, HF, and Rit but it's kinda a mess.

Ignoring the non-posters (and a few super low volume posters) the people I mentioned here are who I am considering lynching atm. I'll make a better list when I'm actually caught up which should be in a couple hours.
I can take that responsibility.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2016 08:53 GMT
#1203
On October 21 2016 17:44 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 17:29 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 17:25 Acrofales wrote:
On October 21 2016 17:18 ritoky wrote:
What is the scumslip?


On October 20 2016 09:38 Hopeless1der wrote:
On October 20 2016 09:36 Bill Murray wrote:
Yeah well it's early not everyone has posted

aww so you mean i could have just lurked and never posted and I'd have won the game?! well shit....but what about ritoky tho? pretend i said "bill" instead of "lamp" in one of my posts asking about him if that helps.

The bold bit. Town doesn't win by avoiding getting lynched, that be scum that can win that way. Town can be NK'd, or worse, left alive as that one scummy town lurker for the easy lylo mislynch.

It's not evidence of scum on its own, as H1 is responding sarcastically to BM's flippant ignoring of the non-posters. But it is another drop in the bucket of of his scummy play style.


..........That is so far from what I would qualify as a scum slip....


Actually there's precedent. I thought I remembered that, and I die. From the caverns of time, I bring you the first time I caught H1 with his hand in the cookie jar:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16808209

Note the first part? A similarly innocuous, yet very telling look into the mind of a scummer. Let's nail this scumbag!


I find those not particularly comparable in the slightest. Primarily because I think 1 is intended serious and the other is intended as a joke. But also because I reject your premise that "afking to victory is exclusively a mafia trait".
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2016 08:55 GMT
#1204
On October 21 2016 17:23 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 05:34 ritoky wrote:
town is something like:
ritoky
holyflare
iamp
btdt
exo
ptmc
kurumi
hopeless
dandel
wos


I really dislike this list...

Putting yourself on top is such a dick move. Also you put almost everyone I'm considering to be scum atm in this list.

And clearly missed some obv town.


Also, the bolded alone might make TT mafia.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
October 21 2016 08:57 GMT
#1205
Vote Count - Day 1


ritoky (3): Holyflare, Koshi, GlowingBear
Kurumi (2): Kurumi, iamperfection, Lord Tolkien, Bill Murray
Koshi (2): Lunaticman, beentheredonethat
ExO_ (2): Dandel Ion, iamperfection
WaveofShadow (1): ExO_, Bill Murray, ptmc
Dandel Ion (1): beentheredonethat, ExO_
Lord Tolkien (1): Kurumi
ptmc (1): WaveofShadow
Hopeless1der (1): Acrofales
Skynx (0): Koshi, Acrofales
iamperfection (0): Acrofales
Holyflare (0): Bill Murray
beentheredonethat (0): Dandel Ion, WaveofShadow

Not voted (10): Tictock, Rels, Vivax, Skynx, sicklucker, HamazuraXTakitsubo, Tubesock, Eversince, ritoky, Hopeless1der

It looks like ritoky is about to be owned.
Day 1 ends in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00) and resolves one hour later, at 22:00 GMT (+00:00).


The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18181 Posts
October 21 2016 09:00 GMT
#1206
On October 21 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 17:23 Tictock wrote:
On October 21 2016 05:34 ritoky wrote:
town is something like:
ritoky
holyflare
iamp
btdt
exo
ptmc
kurumi
hopeless
dandel
wos


I really dislike this list...

Putting yourself on top is such a dick move. Also you put almost everyone I'm considering to be scum atm in this list.

And clearly missed some obv town.


Also, the bolded alone might make TT mafia.


Nice OMGUS you got there.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2016 09:05 GMT
#1207
On October 21 2016 18:00 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 17:55 ritoky wrote:
On October 21 2016 17:23 Tictock wrote:
On October 21 2016 05:34 ritoky wrote:
town is something like:
ritoky
holyflare
iamp
btdt
exo
ptmc
kurumi
hopeless
dandel
wos


I really dislike this list...

Putting yourself on top is such a dick move. Also you put almost everyone I'm considering to be scum atm in this list.

And clearly missed some obv town.


Also, the bolded alone might make TT mafia.


Nice OMGUS you got there.


Maybe a bit, but no sane townie thinks like that.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2016 09:07 GMT
#1208
So why are 2 of you here but neither said shit about my cases.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22140 Posts
October 21 2016 09:07 GMT
#1209
Hi, don't mind me. I'm just fulfilling the minimum requirement to not get modkilled. Low priority was tough. I'm sure you already deducted from my voluminous filter that I'm obviously town.

Here's a token vote on the scummiest person in the thread:


##Vote: Rels
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18181 Posts
October 21 2016 09:12 GMT
#1210
On October 21 2016 18:07 ritoky wrote:
So why are 2 of you here but neither said shit about my cases.

Because you wrote a page of text to say they are useless lurkers. Something WoS, I, and most of the rest of the thread had concluded pages and pages ago.

See here:
On October 21 2016 01:53 Acrofales wrote:
List post!

Heading for modkill:
Rels
Vivax (policy lynch anyway!)
Eversince

Not liking:
Skynx (overaggressive and useless)
Tubesock (sorta present, but useless lurking)
ptmc (see above)
Glowingbear (useless)
Koshi (scumvibe from posts #429, #541. Oddly defensive and useless about his reads in other posts)

On the fence:
WoS (playing weird, no substance, but in the spotlight)
iamperfection (fishing, improved later)
btdt (too much thread police, do like some of his posts)

Town:
DI (is reading filters and having astute observations about them)
ExO_ (tryhard newbie town)
Kurumi (get a good vibe)

No opinion so far:
the rest


and here:
On October 21 2016 12:20 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 11:59 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:53 Acrofales wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:51 iamperfection wrote:
On October 21 2016 11:49 Acrofales wrote:
It's 4:30 AM and I'm awake because bed bugs wanted to eat me. I am angry and a bit delirious. Who wants to chat.

If tictock's stream of consciousness is real, he feels townie. Still deciding if real or clever scum-ploy.

post your spreadsheet

Is that allowed? I thought that got forbidden after Chrono trigger mafia.

do what i did

I have a list post. It's still mostly up to date.

I'd be happy with lynching any of the following:

Lunaticman
Glowingbear
Hazura Tako bell
Tubesock

All for being useless lurkers.

Would also lynch

Koshi: abrasive, but useless. No reads of his own. No pressure
Ptmc: blending


There's definitely scum hiding in that list of loonie, gb, hazmat and tubesock. We can now add Vivax to that list, who I will happily lynch now that he won't be modkilled (/sadface).
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 21 2016 09:17 GMT
#1211
Just shoot him.
He signed up to not play apparently, and could be either alignment. Don't waste a lynch on him.


There if people want a reason to stack KP, that is it.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 21 2016 09:17 GMT
#1212
? I did not say either was a lurker.

1 is strongly stating that Koshi and HF are mafia, then showing no initiative to attempt to lynch people he strongly believes are scum.

The other is deviating from meta and invalidating his own vote.

Those are actively scummy things that are far from "lurker"
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22140 Posts
October 21 2016 09:29 GMT
#1213
Here's a list of people that shouldn't be killed D1: Acro, ritoky, Dandel, hopeless (can't believe I think this), iamp. As for the rest I either didn't read them yet or I didn't see anything that read like town.

Off to uni, laters.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
October 21 2016 09:30 GMT
#1214
On October 21 2016 16:46 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 21 2016 00:57 sicklucker wrote:
if you control kp you also get more days and more lynches. Its super standard I have played more themed games then everyone here probably. You share information and know whats going on rather then chaos. A fist is stronger then a finger. Of course you need good leaders and good followers. and Im definitely not the man for the job


Heh, I like the analogy.

I agree that stacking attacks on someone is a great strat. It's silly to assume right off that mafia have something like a Bus Driver, and this is actually a great way to find out if they do. It sounds like a great way to get some info regardless of the outcome.

There is one flaw in the event of a Bus Driver though that SL is overlooking (otherwise I agree with his posts) and it's that there is nothing to prevent scum from swapping a lurker for a good town so just kus someone gets swapped doesn't 100% mean they are scum.

So while there are potential downfalls I think in the long run stacking some attacks is almost always going to give town more info and will put extra pressure on lurkers/scum. I'm for it.

Having said that I'm sure people will target who they please for the most part, and having everyone attack one target might be a waste. So the idea of having 3-4 people as targets is prob the way to go.


i did bring it up. its why I said we had to attack multiple targets so were more likely to hit a mafia
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 21 2016 09:46 GMT
#1215
On October 21 2016 18:29 Vivax wrote:
Here's a list of people that shouldn't be killed D1: Acro, ritoky, Dandel, hopeless (can't believe I think this), iamp. As for the rest I either didn't read them yet or I didn't see anything that read like town.

Off to uni, laters.

You know you could have actually said you intended to play or something
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 10:16 GMT
#1216
sup ill actually try to read the 12 pages or so im behind on but if anybody distracts me from that i'll townread them for preserving my sanity.

so like
feel free
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18181 Posts
October 21 2016 10:18 GMT
#1217
On October 21 2016 19:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
sup ill actually try to read the 12 pages or so im behind on but if anybody distracts me from that i'll townread them for preserving my sanity.

so like
feel free

Meh, last 12 pages are just me being sleep deprived. Lynch H1der.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 10:26 GMT
#1218
a solid argument for laziness, i am tempted
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
October 21 2016 10:29 GMT
#1219
On October 21 2016 12:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also interesting to note Lord Tolkien is nowhere in your list.

I actually remember a game where someone forgot to include someone else in a list and it ended up being crucial somehow.

Tictoc was it you in our scum game a million years ago? I feel like it was.


Pretty sure I've never played as scum with you.
I can take that responsibility.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 21 2016 10:36 GMT
#1220
On October 21 2016 08:20 Bill Murray wrote:
I like lunatic man so far I think he's town... his posts are attacking koshi. I am going to look into him next as well . Phone posting so hard to consolidate sorry if I'm gonna be spamming but I want to contribute

what do you like about lunatic?

On October 21 2016 08:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
#avoidingmodkill

But seriously, I'll play properly tomorrow.

the hopeless classic

On October 21 2016 08:53 Kurumi wrote:
Anyway BM, look at my filter. People wanted HF dead based on him not posting, they started by trying to coordinate kills, only after me and some other people bombing that plan (HF included) they started thinking about lynching him. Look at the votes he has now.
Yeah. That's you. Only you. People wanted to coordinate powers and such onto HF and then talked about lynching him and nada - the thing died. Very suspicious and the reasoning on that was very shaky itself. Then, HF has done something contrary to the thread - he did not clutter it, he did not overreact, he calmly did his thing. I am not going to peg him totes town for this, but I am not lynching him as of now.

the way you tell the story (which i dont 100% agree with either but w/e), i'm not sure how the town lean comes about. this whole 'he didn't really do anything but everybody forgot about him anyway'. that usually makes me scumlean O:

On October 21 2016 10:23 Bill Murray wrote:
Tictock doesn't post like this as town

i dont see a glaring problem with his posts themselves, so i'm afraid you actually have to spell that meta read out
A backwards poet writes inverse.
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