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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 15:31 GMT
#404
On October 05 2016 00:29 Koshi wrote:
Am I not underwhelming?


Well duh.

You didn't name yourself Yoshi

Also you keep harping on about your RL stuff.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 15:35 GMT
#408
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"

Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense.


Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski


I know it was a comment against HF. I reread the thread and I wanted the posts because I couldn't find exactly what he was referring to.

I'll look in more depth later as I have to go out soon so not a big deal.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 15:41 GMT
#409
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:11 GMT
#415
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.

On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"

Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense.


Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski

Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia.

Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position.


HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:12 GMT
#416
Okay look, I get that I'm hard to read and all that, but to say that EVERYTHING I've done so far is null is 100% undiluted bullshit.

Most of you lot haven't played with me before so you don't even have that excuse.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:19 GMT
#419
On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.

On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"

Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense.


Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski

Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia.

Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position.


HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.

Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here.

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining

Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons

Pretty good right?




First two look like typical shit-posts to me.

Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him.

So not terribly convinced here but I'll see.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:22 GMT
#422
Not gonna lie, the fact that nobody had really given a read on batsnacks before now (despite him making several substantial posts) is what prompted me to look over him.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:23 GMT
#423
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.

I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:30 GMT
#427
On October 05 2016 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Yo who wants to spend 20 minutes talking intimately?


Yo who wants to spend 20 minutes listening to how I'm like, Numbah Wun?

I'll bite.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:39 GMT
#432
On October 05 2016 01:33 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 01:30 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:28 Palmar wrote:
Yo who wants to spend 20 minutes talking intimately?


Yo who wants to spend 20 minutes listening to how I'm like, Numbah Wun?

I'll bite.

I was mafia that game, I'm actually a really nice guy, except when I'm an asshole. But most of the time that I'm not an asshole I am nice.

What do you think of Holyflare? Particularly this reply to you voting NU:

Show nested quote +
On October 04 2016 15:40 Holyflare wrote:
nEVERuNLUCKY probably bs confirmed himself town and koshi is either abusing it and bsing or is also town. Calix bad or mafia for even voting that way.

More wishy washy statements on koshi to come.


The bad is leaving himself an out, but he's essentially saying it's scummy that you voted him.


Well yeah, HF has made it pretty fucking obvious that he thinks I'm mafia with his dumb "prove it or you're mafia" shtick and #202 is a massive fucking reach. I'm not sure wherever that comes from town!HF who is being a hyperbolic shit or mafia!HF who is trying to paint me as scum. He's pretty much exclusively talked about me so far so I'll see how he reacts to others first. As it stands, he's null.

His argument about NU wasn't total crap so I can see where he's coming from for pushing me for that tbh.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:43 GMT
#438
Fine, whatever. This is #202. It's not actually that amazing or worth making a follow-up post on, I just thought it was him making a non-scummy thing into a scum tell.

On October 04 2016 19:37 Holyflare wrote:
It's also 40 minutes between your post and the latest one before that so not receiving a response from people with full time jobs and activity excuses within 20 minutes of your last post seems to be smearing people for no other reason than to look like you are giving more contributions than in fact you are.

Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:44 GMT
#440
Palmar dear, do you have anything else to add that you feel has been overlooked by others?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 16:52 GMT
#445
I'm not reaching. I'm just an impatient person.

What's the point of saying you would have mod-killed NU?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 17:01 GMT
#448
Sure.

One last question - your thoughts on my batsnacks case?

Or your thoughts on his filter?

Not sure if I'll catch your response before I pop out again.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 17:03 GMT
#449
On October 05 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote:
I kinda want to bully someone, but I'm also lazy and I need to go soon, so I'm not gonna.

excellent bully targets are jat and superbia. They're both kinda.... here, but not doing much. Which isn't really scummy for either of them, as that's what they do all the time, but we need to make them commit to shit to figure out what they actually think.


So similar to you then?

I thin JAT has been doing stuff. Don't think his posting is comparable to Superbia's as he posts without being summoned more often than not, but I'll check his filter later to see if my impression still holds.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 18:54 GMT
#494
On October 05 2016 03:48 batsnacks wrote:
I've been trying to find some conversation about things I've noticed but haven't found much. Most of the responses to my posts have been from Calix who imo is hard to talk to due to the defensive and abrasive tone they're using constantly. Not really conducive to fleshing things out.


I laugh at the idea of me intimidating you so much with my tone that you don't even want to respond to me.

Kindly grow a pair, respond to my points against you, and take some stances plz.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 18:59 GMT
#495
I really do like Damdred's posts though. He's making sense, has a good scum pool and I was going to make a similar point about Stutters/ Batsnacks while catching up so that's a bonus.

Unsure on Koshi. His contributions aren't amazing but something about his tone makes me lean town.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 19:06 GMT
#498
Okay, so you're claiming that I am self-aware of the fact that people were scum-reading me. I don't see how this means anything.

I changed my mind primarily because HF pointed out that Koshi was backing up NU.

Furthermore, that's not what he was arguing - he stated that neither of us CARED about how the thread perceived us.

I'm not 'looking' like I'm moving the game forward. It bloody well did, regardless of how accurate my accusations were.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 19:17 GMT
#501
On October 05 2016 04:09 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 03:54 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 03:48 batsnacks wrote:
I've been trying to find some conversation about things I've noticed but haven't found much. Most of the responses to my posts have been from Calix who imo is hard to talk to due to the defensive and abrasive tone they're using constantly. Not really conducive to fleshing things out.


I laugh at the idea of me intimidating you so much with my tone that you don't even want to respond to me.

Kindly grow a pair, respond to my points against you, and take some stances plz.

your points against me are okay you just have my intentions wrong. I haven't taken many hard stances because there haven't been many happens in the game i feel strongly about, thus trying to talk to people about stuff I notice.



If that's the case, why haven't you tried harder to push the few points that you do have? You just dropped some fantastical theories including gems such as NU and myself hard-core distancing ourselves. You show zero conviction in what you say which strikes me as un-town-like.

On October 05 2016 04:13 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 04:06 Calix wrote:
Okay, so you're claiming that I am self-aware of the fact that people were scum-reading me. I don't see how this means anything.

I changed my mind primarily because HF pointed out that Koshi was backing up NU.

Furthermore, that's not what he was arguing - he stated that neither of us CARED about how the thread perceived us.

I'm not 'looking' like I'm moving the game forward. It bloody well did, regardless of how accurate my accusations were.

The awareness made me believe you cared you're also using a pretty defensive tone and you're making a lot of posts that don't really concern you about yourself personally e.g. NU explaining to you that a post of mine that was about HF actually wasn't against you



Explain how being defensive is a scum tell.

I explicitly stated that I was inquiring about the quotes you were using as I was aware that you were referring to HF. You couldn't have missed that as I made that comment right after NU pointed this out.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 04 2016 19:30 GMT
#503
On October 05 2016 04:23 Superbia wrote:
Why do people think I'm scummy?


You only pop in when people summon you. Looking at what you're contributed without someone poking you up the arse with a stick, I'm not impressed.

On October 04 2016 20:38 Superbia wrote:
General complaint:

I agree that this PM shit is really really fucking dumb.

The fact that people are already drawing conclusions based on someone who claims he can be mod confirmed is also really fucking dumb. Like conjecture regarding PMs is already happening.

This why you never bring this shit up. You're either soft claiming a role or you're really talking about again-the-rules shit like an absolute dumb ass. Either way it's fucking dumb because people are now talking about PMs and inferring based on it.

I wanted a nice, high-level game. Not PM garbage.

Thx4listening.


This, for example, is out-of-place and you go nowhere with it. It reminds me of a post that Vivax made in HM 3.0 where he popped in to whine about XYZ but went nowhere with it and ended up contradicting himself.

This isn't as egregious a post, but you're whining about people crapping up the game and yet you do NOTHING to fix the game state so the logic holds.

You did the "I have good contributions which I'll share later and get people to prod me for" shtick which makes little sense for town to do when they would just post the bloody thoughts they had.

This is just from skimming your filter. It's incredibly dismal play.
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