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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:20 GMT
#2459
I think NU's hit his head again.

That, or he reread his amazing late-game play in HM and decided to replicate it xD
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:24 GMT
#2462
Knock yourself out. I'm always up for reading works of fiction about a world where I'm mafia.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:26 GMT
#2465
On October 09 2016 21:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 21:01 Calix wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 20:54 Calix wrote:
Do you have any reason for wanting to lynch Scott first? lol

hes idependantly scummy, also what a retarded vote on damdred then the super sheep onto super.

Ok really going nowhere jat. Like you really think that I cant find shit in other peoples filters?
Honestly.


And Palmar isn't independently scummy?

Well why DO you scum-read JAT? Can't be hard to summarise at least.

In fact, I'll get JAT to demonstrate. JAT, why did you scum-read me/ null-scum read me to begin with? And what changed? lol

well both of them as posted earlier but I can only lynch one of them a day and scott is that one..

Im just gonna quote your filter k.


Strong reasoning. I am convinced.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:27 GMT
#2467
On October 09 2016 21:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 09 2016 21:14 justanothertownie wrote:
In situations like this there are rarely many scummers between the five. Just sayin.


JAT giving himself town credit. Reminds you of something, Calix?


Naw.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:31 GMT
#2470
On October 09 2016 21:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 21:27 Calix wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:14 justanothertownie wrote:
In situations like this there are rarely many scummers between the five. Just sayin.


JAT giving himself town credit. Reminds you of something, Calix?


Naw.


Now?

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On September 26 2016 07:21 Calix wrote:
In fact, scum dying Day 1 is extremely informative. It basically tells us that the mafia have to be a bunch of passive fucktards, 100% no quibbling.

"But Calix, what if there was some WIFOM9000 bussing plan?" - No. Allow me to explain the logic:

- Scum rarely die on Day 1.

- Scum do not want to bus their partners on Day 1 because they lose numbers and give town a shitton of information and the only advantage they get is "muh town cred" which means jack shit because they still have to survive for an extra day and town cred doesn't save you in LYLO.

- Scum with strong thread presence do not lose their partners on Day 1 because they can divert the lynch onto a townie.

- If a scum player dies on Day 1, then the scum cannot have a strong thread presence because otherwise the lynch would have not hit scum.

- Therefore the scum must be among the passive lurkers.

Like this is fucking airtight logic.


Also, you did a very similar post this game.


I'll have you know that the post you quoted was pure genius on my part

But yes, I get what point you're making.

And did I? Must have missed that.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:36 GMT
#2475
On October 09 2016 21:34 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 21:31 Calix wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:27 Calix wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 09 2016 21:14 justanothertownie wrote:
In situations like this there are rarely many scummers between the five. Just sayin.


JAT giving himself town credit. Reminds you of something, Calix?


Naw.


Now?

On September 26 2016 07:21 Calix wrote:
In fact, scum dying Day 1 is extremely informative. It basically tells us that the mafia have to be a bunch of passive fucktards, 100% no quibbling.

"But Calix, what if there was some WIFOM9000 bussing plan?" - No. Allow me to explain the logic:

- Scum rarely die on Day 1.

- Scum do not want to bus their partners on Day 1 because they lose numbers and give town a shitton of information and the only advantage they get is "muh town cred" which means jack shit because they still have to survive for an extra day and town cred doesn't save you in LYLO.

- Scum with strong thread presence do not lose their partners on Day 1 because they can divert the lynch onto a townie.

- If a scum player dies on Day 1, then the scum cannot have a strong thread presence because otherwise the lynch would have not hit scum.

- Therefore the scum must be among the passive lurkers.

Like this is fucking airtight logic.


Also, you did a very similar post this game.


I'll have you know that the post you quoted was pure genius on my part

But yes, I get what point you're making.

And did I? Must have missed that.


No, Calix. It was a bad post. If you've read the /obs chat you'd know that this is what made me doubt you and what made scumformation tinfoil you. You are basically trying to town-clear yourself, like JAT did. It's a big no-no.

Yeah, you did. Not as much effort and confetti, but a similar comment nonetheless.

Let's try to start on a common grounds. Do you agree with me that you are scum this game?


Stopped taking you with even an atom of seriousness with that last question.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:37 GMT
#2476
I like that instead of discussing events pertaining to this game, NU is going to bring up cringe-worthy quotes from my last game.

Ten pence that he's using some stupid 'meta' reason to scum-read me.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:50 GMT
#2479
1795 was posted by you? lmao

This is great. You're actually taking the time to go through my scum games and cherry-pick quotes.

Hilarious.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:55 GMT
#2482
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 12:56 GMT
#2483
If literally anyone else can pop online right now so I don't have my IQ lowered by 30 points, that'll be lovely.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:00 GMT
#2486
I know what you are trying to do, you scrub.

I just don't feel the need to hammer it in because unlike some people, I can be subtle.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:04 GMT
#2488
Great. Yet another productive conversation between NU and Calix.

I'm off for a bit.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:18 GMT
#2491
If Oats' next post does not do the following:

A) Explain why he's scum-reading JAT

B) Explain his read on Palmar

C) Actually push the game forward

then there had better be some god-tier explanation.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:24 GMT
#2493
Because Oats is skirting around doing anything productive in the most hilarious manner. Did you see his talk with JAT earlier?

I still think your Palmar town-read sucks. Can you find town motivation for the posts that Koshi has flagged up? Otherwise having a 'strong opening' is not a town tell.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:28 GMT
#2499
On October 09 2016 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 22:24 Calix wrote:
Because Oats is skirting around doing anything productive in the most hilarious manner. Did you see his talk with JAT earlier?

I still think your Palmar town-read sucks. Can you find town motivation for the posts that Koshi has flagged up? Otherwise having a 'strong opening' is not a town tell.

Its night now dude, you honestly dont know why I think jat is scum?


Spit it out now, you idiot, instead of wasting more posts and time with stupid questions -.-
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:30 GMT
#2500
On October 09 2016 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 22:18 Calix wrote:
If Oats' next post does not do the following:

A) Explain why he's scum-reading JAT

B) Explain his read on Palmar

C) Actually push the game forward

then there had better be some god-tier explanation.

Girl plz.

Palmar is hardcore just popping in, posting some stuff about the game that makes some sense then peacing out. His behavior around the lynch was really weird with him here
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 04:16 Palmar wrote:
Regarding superbia. Lynching him isnt the worst idea

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On October 09 2016 05:47 Palmar wrote:
Superbia is gonna flip town.

Scum team is a combination of JAT koshi Marv Scott damdred

I mean like what the fuck man.

there isnt much to say about scott cause its so obvious.

Jat shit is in here come on man, im just quoting your filter.
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On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:
Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter).

He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far.

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On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence.


This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter?

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On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.

On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"

Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense.


Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski

Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia.

Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position.


HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.

Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone:
On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here.

On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing

On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining

Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons

Pretty good right?




First two look like typical shit-posts to me.

Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him.

So not terribly convinced here but I'll see.

The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town.


Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.

I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum.

He is definitely one of thise types.


And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts:

Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town.

His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.

On October 07 2016 19:01 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2016 18:56 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 07 2016 18:54 Palmar wrote:
On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 07 2016 18:50 Calix wrote:
On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 07 2016 18:31 Palmar wrote:
On October 07 2016 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyone who tries to give reasons to lynch palmar is clearly not reading the thread because there is nothing new that can be added to the stuff already said about palmar.


This guy is my hero

If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi.


Eww gross post.

On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 07 2016 17:42 Calix wrote:
On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all.


This is Grade A bullshit.

You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'?

If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize.

"Comparatively" as in "compared to nu".

Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town.


Eww another gross post.

Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless.

You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless.

What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it.

The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you.


It was 100% a TvT, go away

Says the guy who did not list calix as town in his list.

Can you explain how I have been "atrociously wrong" all game? You cannot seriously fault anyone for scumreading you, even if you are town.


This is so bad. Doesn't read like JAT is scum-hunting at all.

On October 08 2016 17:11 Calix wrote:
I still think JAT is the scummiest player in the thread. As flagged up earlier, I get the impression that he just pops in to make leading comments that serve the mafia agenda. It's a Saturday morning so no harm in me reading his filter now.

And I think the other two are among you, Damdred, Superbia because I think the majority of the scum are passive/ lack influence.

You could add Palmar/ Koshi but I think those two are town.

jat has posted absolutely no content whatsoever, its disgusting how little shit is in his 10 page filter.



I see some Palmar comments but no conclusion.

I don't agree with most of the things that you quoted anymore. If you actually read Day 2, you would have seen why my read changed. lol
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:35 GMT
#2504
Yes, doing shit is generally a good thing.

'arbitrarily better' ???

I thought Palmar's responses were okay until Koshi pointed out the flaws in them. You also agreed with this assessment.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:37 GMT
#2507
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right?
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:41 GMT
#2515
NU, are you just scum-reading JAT for that comment about how "it's rare that the scummers are among the active, interested players"?

Because if so, I don't even know what to say to you.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
October 09 2016 13:47 GMT
#2522
So...he didn't claim he was town, doesn't have 'town tone' and made a random comment about the active players.

Good stuff for sure.
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