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NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:40 GMT
#2513
On October 09 2016 22:34 justanothertownie wrote:
If you seriously think Palmars response was better than mine than I question your sanity.


You are scum, so you can be forgiven.

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:43 GMT
#2517
On October 09 2016 22:35 Calix wrote:
Yes, doing shit is generally a good thing.

'arbitrarily better' ???

I thought Palmar's responses were okay until Koshi pointed out the flaws in them. You also agreed with this assessment.


I agreed with koshi's points on Palmar just like I agreed with jat's points on Super. Despite agreeing with them, I did not scum-read either.

I pretty much voted Superbia because I agreed with jat's case even though I did not scum-read Super. I regret that.

Arbitrarily better because jat's got no town tone and never proposed that his lynch was a ML nor that he was town.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:44 GMT
#2518
On October 09 2016 22:41 Calix wrote:
NU, are you just scum-reading JAT for that comment about how "it's rare that the scummers are among the active, interested players"?

Because if so, I don't even know what to say to you.


No. It's a point among others.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:46 GMT
#2521
Calix, please post your list of non-lock town in order of scumminess.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:47 GMT
#2523
On October 09 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:37 Calix wrote:
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right?

Super was super anti town lol, there is nothing inherently wrong with JAT's case.


Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch?

can everyone please reread this post.
Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.

And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said.

I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia.
And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid.

Rephrase this lol, i dont not understand.

lololol

Never lynch this guy.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:50 GMT
#2526
On October 09 2016 22:47 Calix wrote:
So...he didn't claim he was town, doesn't have 'town tone' and made a random comment about the active players.

Good stuff for sure.

Defense purely based on self-meta with nothing game-related.

Anti-town behavior.

Is Titus' smurf.

















































"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:53 GMT
#2529
On October 09 2016 22:48 Calix wrote:
Also wait, you didn't scum-read Superbia but you agreed with the case?

How does that make any sense? How do you agree with the points but not think they make Superbia scum but vote for Superbia anyway?

???

Not quite it.

I agreed with the points, so I was fooled into thinking that he was scum for those points. Before that, I had Superbia in my lock-town circle and was joking around with him.

I'm sure the same thing happened to you.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:54 GMT
#2531
On October 09 2016 22:50 Calix wrote:
And why do you keep voting for people that you 'don't scum-read'?

I've covered this.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:55 GMT
#2532
On October 09 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 22:50 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:47 Calix wrote:
So...he didn't claim he was town, doesn't have 'town tone' and made a random comment about the active players.

Good stuff for sure.

Defense purely based on self-meta with nothing game-related.

Anti-town behavior.

Is Titus' smurf.
















































Once anyone brings up a game related reason for me to be mafia I will gladly defend myself against that.


Those small pointers were all game-related.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 13:58 GMT
#2535
On October 09 2016 22:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, please post your list of non-lock town in order of scumminess.


And defend your town-read of jat if you would be so kind.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:00 GMT
#2537
On October 09 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:37 Calix wrote:
My dude, if you think JAT was making up shit with his Superbia case then surely you can go to the case and point out where JAT was bullshitting, right?

Super was super anti town lol, there is nothing inherently wrong with JAT's case.


Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch?

can everyone please reread this post.
Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.

And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said.

I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia.
And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid.

Rephrase this lol, i dont not understand.

Seriously? Why would I as mafia go out of my way to not lynch damdred if he is town? Why would I need to INTERVENE like that? Why would I as town only lynch between the 2 hardcore lurkers?

I dont know if you realised, but you were very close to being lynched yesterday.
I think damdred is mafia.
Dunno what your last quiestion is.

I really wasn't close to being lynched at all. And I just assumed that you do not scumread damdred since in the post before that you declared the mafia team to be me, palmar and scott.

My last question is very simple. Why would I only push out side of damdred and scott as mafia? Why would I not do that as town?


Look, Calix. His questions are ones that need to be answered with "WIFOM". He has no will to defend himself out of WIFOM, because WIFOM and only WIFOM make his play make sense as town.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:02 GMT
#2541
On October 09 2016 22:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, please post your list of non-lock town in order of scumminess.

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:12 GMT
#2543
On October 09 2016 23:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 23:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 23:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 09 2016 22:39 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
Then why on earth am I mafia for pushing his lynch?

can everyone please reread this post.
Listen to me about jat. It's highly unlikely that without significant scum intervention, we managed to avoid lynching damdred and Scott by now, and jat was the main mover of the last lynch. Scott came in with the ninja vote and Palmar really didnt give a shit about moving the vote onto his target.

And tell me how any of your questions are linked to what I said.

I already asked you why scum would even need to intervene when you don't even think damdred is mafia.
And the assumption that only mafia would do that is even more stupid.

Rephrase this lol, i dont not understand.

Seriously? Why would I as mafia go out of my way to not lynch damdred if he is town? Why would I need to INTERVENE like that? Why would I as town only lynch between the 2 hardcore lurkers?

I dont know if you realised, but you were very close to being lynched yesterday.
I think damdred is mafia.
Dunno what your last quiestion is.

I really wasn't close to being lynched at all. And I just assumed that you do not scumread damdred since in the post before that you declared the mafia team to be me, palmar and scott.

My last question is very simple. Why would I only push out side of damdred and scott as mafia? Why would I not do that as town?


Look, Calix. His questions are ones that need to be answered with "WIFOM". He has no will to defend himself out of WIFOM, because WIFOM and only WIFOM make his play make sense as town.

This is less about me defending myself and more about oats being mafia for just making shit up on the fly.

Literally not interested in continuing this converstation.

I want to lynch scott tmr k guys.

You misspelled Damdred.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:19 GMT
#2547
Hard to clarify matters when 60+% of the game is MIA.

I'm in the process of reading Jat's filter, and so far I like his Day One posts. Especially his early case on Grack:
On October 05 2016 17:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Wow, I had to read an insane amount of bullshit just now. I already told you guys I won't be around much today before the game started and this still holds true (only activity possible today will be what I can sneak in during work). So I will adress the horrendous stuff which has been posted about me and give you my lynchpool before I leave. Won't have time for much more.

Let's start:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 09:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Grack do you have any reads or you just decide to post when you feel like it uselessly?

No I'm actually working on it right now, but it's a slow process.

My first instinct was to look at JAT and I'm still a bit undecided. There's nothing in his filter for me to really fault but he seems very agreeable.

How do you go from the bolded, which is entirely accurate, to me being his prefered lynch? When being agreeable is basically my bog-standard townmeta? I am literally known for this. Still mafia superbia made the same case on me in my last towngame. It is highly irritating.
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 14:06 Grackaroni wrote:
JAT (Because of general agreeability. Also he weakens his reads whenever questioned.)

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 14:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't really want to go for the Holyflare hat trick on day 1, so I propose JAT.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 16:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I do agree though that JAT spends a lot of time arguing people are acting normally.

Palmar is normal

Batsnacks is normal

Then whenever somebody argues otherwise he agrees with them.

Literally nothing about my play changed between those posts. As if reevaluating my read on batsnacks was the slightest bit scummy. I had an impression of his game which didn't really hold up when I rechecked his filter. And as far as I know this was the only time this game where I "weakened my read". Never did I retract what I said about Palmar. I wasn't questioned either. Grack is misrepresenting what happened here.

Overall this is a bullshit accusation which does not require any towny mindset to come up with. Combined with gracks lackluster play it can easily come from mafia.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 08:18 batsnacks wrote:
jat was on the ground floor with NU vs Calix, said later that he has "0 idea why anyone [Superbia] would find that fight interesting." He's been there a few times egging Calix on when what Calix was doing at the time was at best anti town.

I know I'm speaking as someone who himself is guilty of not taking stances but jat is also there sort of directing traffic a lot of the time and similarly not taking stances.

What does "on the ground floor" even mean? I said that calix approach was hard to understand since nu apparently is such an easy read for her. That's literally the only somewhat interesting thing about that fight and since calix was obviously really invested and out herself out there I did not think it made her mafia. The rest of your accusation is just what you said earlier already and it is probably the silliest accusation I have ever heard. If you only lynch people who do this kind of "anti town" stuff you will never win a single game as town. In fact it is so silly that I find it hard to imagine mafia batsnacks trying to attack me with it.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I quite like what bats has been doing recently, especially since he returned pretty quickly after his peace out post.

Super still whining and not being proactive.

Koshi and stutters no-show.

Koshi if you really don't have the time, just find one read and push it. Don't do this fluffy shit.

Jat a lot of activity but not a lot of content, leaning scum on him.

This guy on the other hand is just making a thowaway comment on me without following up un it. He is putting me on the backburner because "I did not offend him" (what kind of bs reason is that?) - possibly because he doesn't really think I will actually get lynched.

Might come from mafia.


And this lil' joke:
On October 05 2016 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 04:35 Superbia wrote:
I'm kind of annoyed with people but I know if I'm too defensive I'll be called scum.

You could just play the game if you are town. I know - foreign concept.

Might be town.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:21 GMT
#2549
On October 09 2016 23:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2016 23:15 Calix wrote:
This has got to be one of the most unproductive games I've been in.

We've bickered for pages in a giant circle-jerk but not much has actually changed and we're not getting closer to clarifying matters.

I call it the neverunlucky effect.

Yes, it is mostly my fault. No sarcasm.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:22 GMT
#2551
Palmar/Oats makes sense I guess.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:33 GMT
#2556
I invite everyone to take look at Jat v. Grack which is contained between 938 and 991 in Jat's filter.

Jat makes some good points on Grack who seems to be back-tracking with every step Jat takes in his direction.

Jat had a solid Day 1 performance from what I am seeing. Don't want to lynch him anymore.

"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:38 GMT
#2559
Add to that the fact that Grack did not make a case on HF this game and the fact that he semi-buddied marv, we have a pretty good mafia contender in Grack.

He was always willing to lynch Palmar though. I don't think Palmar/Grack is a thing with their interactions.

Grack/Oats makes sense because they have been distantly town-reading each other.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:42 GMT
#2563
On October 06 2016 21:29 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 21:20 Superbia wrote:
Stutters is a pretty shit shot.

If you want to policy shoot, shoot Palmar (for info).

If you want to hit mafia probably shoot Damdred.

+ Show Spoiler +
Like there even is a vigi

Palmar is a pretty shit shot. You always lynch palmar and similar people who are good at defending themselves as town.

Stutters is by far the best shot because he will never be readable and the day we finally get rid of him will be a complete waste with 0 information gained.

What did you think of Palmar's defense?
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
NeverUnlucky
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada1622 Posts
October 09 2016 14:57 GMT
#2570
On October 09 2016 06:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Day 2: Final Vote Count


  • Palmar (2) - marvellosity, Koshi,
  • Damdred (1) - Grackaroni
  • justanothertownie (2) - Palmar, Oatsmaster
  • marvellosity (1) - Superbia
  • Superbia (4) - justanothertownie, Calix, NeverUnlucky, scott31337

Not voting (1) - Damdred


Grack CFD.

Palmar and Oats on Jat for sick read.

Scott ninja'd.

Damdred AWOL.
"The more I look at it, the more convinced I am that NU bussed himself intentionally." -darthfoley
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