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Oats' filter is questionable but I'm not entirely sold on him being scum. I'll note what stood out to me although this is no case.
I found this strange:
On October 05 2016 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2016 12:40 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 05 2016 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:On October 05 2016 08:30 batsnacks wrote:This was the damdred game I read sort of recently where his line of questioning at the beginning seems slower and different http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/3255-Season-3-Final-Game-The-Koopa-TroopI'm not super current on anyone's meta here but damdred's sudden entrance, sudden conclusions without the early questions, and his conclusions being a lot different than mine could suggest an agenda. I think this is actually a good post from Batsnacks. I don't like that he doesn't actually come to a proper conclusion but kinda leaves it open to interpretation. Also I don't like that he sells himself short at meta reading damdred but that seems to be one reason why he thinks damdred is scummy. His conclusion was that Damdred is scummy in his reads list earlier. Ok thats true. But feels a bit easy if you know what I mean
tl;dr: He criticises batsnacks for not coming to a conclusion about wherever Damdred is scum or not. He's told that batsnacks concluded Damdred was scummy earlier. He then admits this is true while still clinging onto his point which was just proven false by calling it "easy".
On October 05 2016 21:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok now I'm gonna sheep Marv, so my vote is not useless Palmar....
Honestly though bats re-entry did not include a scum-read or Vote and it did include some stupid shit about "if I'm mafia and super is town, I have nothing to gain by hard defending super" except that 1, when super flips you get cred for being right, 2, your influence is so low that you aren't going to change anyone's minds. Vote threads suxk
This is also weird for Oats to say because this is the dude that made a stink about not-voting to be NAI.
Here is he referring to not-voting as if it is telling about batsnacks' alignment.
On October 06 2016 22:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2016 22:33 Holyflare wrote:On October 06 2016 22:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On October 06 2016 22:09 Superbia wrote:On October 06 2016 21:56 Palmar wrote:
Superbia could still be scum Could be. ;p Shoot this shit. Hf might be the mafia vig that would be interesting. He's totally setting himself up for the worst shot in the world on calix cause everything he says to defend himself is also what calix has been doing. Marv being super defensive is bad. He's just whining that people have a totally legitimate reason to scum-read him, come on man. No interest in finding and pushing another mafia. Um, so I forgot all my scum reads, made up some bs about nu, made up teams and forgot the previous association i made with batsnacks and ignored the towny nuggets from bs and defended palmar? Don't think I did any of that oats. Are you saying you haven't read the thread at all? No, you pushed cases and kept the thread alive when it was dying. same as calix. did you even read my question or did you just see, "someone called me scum,must answer with some irrelevant nonsense".
And this is odd because I swear he was scum-reading/ voting for HF earlier and I have no idea how his read changed from the end of D1 to this post.
His reasoning for town-reading HF here is that he's keeping the thread alive/ pushing cases...but he was doing that since Day 1 so why is it only relevant now? There's no real reason for the scum-read to have changed to a town-read.
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Try looking at the rest of the nested quote.
Also try commenting on the rest of the post to see if my logic checks out.
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On October 08 2016 22:25 NeverUnlucky wrote:
"And this is odd because I swear he was scum-reading/ voting for HF earlier and I have no idea how his read changed from the end of D1 to this post."
He is still clearly scum-reading HF in this post you quoted ("Hf might be the mafia vig that would be interesting", mafia vig, wtf lol). There is no incongruity there.
I don't get point 1. Point 2 is ok.
Point 3 was the most questionable one and since that has a reasonable explanation (aka my point was wrong), I'm fine with thinking that Oats is town because the other points aren't incriminating by themselves.
This is actually motivating me to look at filters with a more critical eye though so.
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Koshi/ Palmar makes me relate to clothes in a tumble-dryer.
Koshi makes a valid point.
Palmar makes a nice defense.
Koshi makes more valid points out of said defense.
And so forth.
Koshi is probably tunneling here but his reasons don't feel forced and I can see how he concluded the things he has so I should hear him out. Time to reread their interactions.
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I'll drop my vote before I leave.
I also like Koshi's point about "playing right above not getting lynched" as a descriptor of Palmar's posts, it's quite accurate imo. I'll consider it.
Would also consider voting for Scott.
As it stands, I'm just unvoting for now.
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On October 09 2016 01:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 23:53 Calix wrote:
I'll drop my vote before I leave.
I also like Koshi's point about "playing right above not getting lynched" as a descriptor of Palmar's posts, it's quite accurate imo. I'll consider it.
Would also consider voting for Scott.
As it stands, I'm just unvoting for now. Yes, it is accurate. Is it scum-AI though?
Given that Koshi's point is that Palmar's sole intention with posting is to avoid being lynched, then yes, that is scum-indicative.
If you disagree then run up a good counter-argument if you have one so we can discuss it. Better now than later.
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You should make more posts like that, JAT.
That was not a bad post.
I actually agree with you that a) that first post went nowhere and was way too general, b) his play has not improved since Day 1 and that c) your point about Superbia's read progression with regards to Palmar/ bats is incriminating as hell.
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In fact I'm going to check to see why I started town-reading Superbia to begin with.
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Man, I don't even remember. Think I just saw Grack's posts about his Superbia town-read and agreed.
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NU, if you don't think Palmar/ Superbia are mafia and you think Palmar is town, who do you think Superbia's team-mates are?
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No I don't. That was a pretty decent case, my dude.
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If you look at Palmar/ Superbia and how they read each other, it's entirely possible that both are mafia.
I can find quotes if people are too lazy, although JAT has already done half the work with the Palmar/ batsnacks thing.
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Quality post, my dude.
So are we all agreed that - assuming Palmar/ Superbia are mafia - that the last scum is basically among Damdred, Grack, Scott?
I feel overly optimistic about the odds of winning right now, lol.
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I was told during my mafia game that activity on this site tends to tank during the weekends.
I think it's only relevant because all of the current possibilities have low thread presence, implying that the mafia are passive and aren't disrupting the thread enough,
Checks out.
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Thing is, why would mafia!Superbia fuck up with Palmar/ batsnacks if both of them were town?
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My point is that if mafia!Superbia knows both of them are town, then he would have just voted for his stated scum-read batsnacks.
Sure, it's possible that Superbia completely forgot about the reads he posted and voted for Palmar but I think my idea has greater validity.
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NU, please quote which Palmar posts have town motivation to you.
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That vote was always bullshit. It was a ninja vote.
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Claiming town is not - contrary to your inane belief - a town tell. It's HOW they claim town, god.
He's saying that HF is doing some OMGUS on me and giving himself an excuse to back off from the read. Not that amazing.
Oats town-read is fine, I agree.
If I was so obviously bad then why would someone saying that mean anything?
I can kind of see where you're coming from but I'm not inclined to agree. But given that the two main candidates are fine by me, it doesn't mean too much.
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