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JAT's posts are extremely triggering with how scummy they are right now. Pls tag.
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On October 07 2016 18:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 18:54 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:50 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:31 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2016 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyone who tries to give reasons to lynch palmar is clearly not reading the thread because there is nothing new that can be added to the stuff already said about palmar.
This guy is my hero If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi. Eww gross post. On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 17:42 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all. This is Grade A bullshit. You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'? If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize. "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town. Eww another gross post. Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless. You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless. What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it. The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you. It was 100% a TvT, go away Says the guy who did not list calix as town in his list. Can you explain how I have been "atrociously wrong" all game? You cannot seriously fault anyone for scumreading you, even if you are town.
This is so bad. Doesn't read like JAT is scum-hunting at all.
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On October 07 2016 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 18:59 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:50 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:31 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2016 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyone who tries to give reasons to lynch palmar is clearly not reading the thread because there is nothing new that can be added to the stuff already said about palmar.
This guy is my hero If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi. Eww gross post. On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 17:42 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all. This is Grade A bullshit. You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'? If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize. "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town. Eww another gross post. Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless. You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless. What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it. The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you. Okay so you were just discrediting a town-read that Oats had even though you don't scum-read me either. Good to know. I did not say that either. You are somewhere between low end of null and scum. Haven't made up my mind yet.
Duh, obviously you're not going to directly say that.
You saw someone give out a town-read.
Your first response was to attack the town-read even though you claim you don't scum-read me either.
Your reasoning is that I'm "less townie than NU" (lol)
This reads like scum rationale over a townie mindset.
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On October 07 2016 19:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 19:03 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:59 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:50 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:31 Palmar wrote:On October 07 2016 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
anyone who tries to give reasons to lynch palmar is clearly not reading the thread because there is nothing new that can be added to the stuff already said about palmar.
This guy is my hero If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi. Eww gross post. On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 17:42 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 17:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I disagree that the calix/nu thing was obviously TvT btw. calix had a comparatively passive role in it. Which I can't fault her for but I don't think the whole thing makes her town at all. This is Grade A bullshit. You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'? If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize. "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town. Eww another gross post. Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless. You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless. What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it. The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you. Okay so you were just discrediting a town-read that Oats had even though you don't scum-read me either. Good to know. I did not say that either. You are somewhere between low end of null and scum. Haven't made up my mind yet. Duh, obviously you're not going to directly say that. You saw someone give out a town-read. Your first response was to attack the town-read even though you claim you don't scum-read me either. Your reasoning is that I'm "less townie than NU" (lol) This reads like scum rationale over a townie mindset. Are you intentionally misrepresenting me or just bad at reading? I saw someone throw out a reason to townread you which I think is faulty. I mentioned that. The end. Never said that I scumread you in this context or any of the other stuff you are saying right now. My only message was that the shitfight should be treated as NAI regarding you.
Keep proving my point, lol.
Why don't you case me and I case you if I'm 'null-scum'? Sound fair?
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On October 07 2016 19:06 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 18:57 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:46 Palmar wrote:
It jives rather well with what I've been thinking about this game.
Batsnacks sounded like a townie
Oats sounds like a townie
NU sounds like a special snowflake
Grack is not as funny as I would've thought he should be, but I do like him nonetheless, for now.
Superbia is being an ass, but he does that all the time as all alignments, don't think he's been overtly scummy. One of the big milestones today is going to be whether or not he realizes what is up. If he doesn't, he needs to be dropped very low on everyone's lists when I flip town. Superbia is smart, knows me well, and a good player in general. If he votes for me when I'm town, that's super concerning.
Damdred and Stutters are players I have completely ignored.
Marv is going to drop his vote on me. If he actually stays he's 100% mafia. He reads me better than any player in the history of TL mafia, he has basically a 100% rate on figuring my alignment by day 2 when he's town. If I ever flip town, and he is still calling me mafia, he is scum. there is NO WAY AROUND IT. Thing is, I also know that he knows exactly this. He CAN'T be wrong on me, so I know he's going to end up drop his vote on me today. Depending on whether I believe the reasoning there's a tiny chance I'm wrong. But the NK, his play, his lack of enthusiasm for some things and just some tonally weird things, all point to marv-mafia. Not to mention, both HF and I picked up a townie vibe from batsnacks, and marv completely failed to recognize it. He is better at town than both of us, and that is super concerning.
JAT/Koshi/Calix <--- Three strong players who have been atrociously wrong throughout the game. There is definitely town in this group, probably even two. Whichever ones of you are town need to pull head out of asses and start playing reasonably. It is very likely that one of the townies is Koshi, because him tunneling stupid things is kind of what he does as town, the other two are slightly better so who knows.
Regarding Calix specifically, my day 1 read of her is mostly tonal. She felt very analytical and willing to try to solve the game when she was town in the last game I was with her. This contrasts her more timid and reserved tone here. I am also slightly suspicious of how she could read me so well on day 1 (against all odds she was calling me town) and then dropped it with some complete bullshit reasoning on n1, that is worrying. This is the first time I've seen you wall-post ever. And the first half of your reads list isn't complete shite. You've finally managed to cross that extremely low threshold set for you. Marv isn't mafia, go focus your efforts somewhere else instead of being a moron because of META. Maybe on Stutters-Scott/ Damdred instead. I'm insulted that you think I'm on the same level as JAT based purely on ONE GAME. That's not even meta, that's just a random fucking game. You continued to be useless and pretty much everyone else looks more townie than you due to said uselessness and two of my scum-reads were wrong, so I decided "well fuck him anyway" and now you're being slightly less useless so who knows. I don't think you understand the Marv/Palmar dynamic. Everyone here will back me up in saying that it's super, super important. For now, until marv comes back and actually sounds like a rational human being, he MUST be mafia. There is no way around it. This is not normal "these guys know each other". Being on same level as jat + Show Spoiler [Jat don't read this] +is actually a compliment. I am good at mafia, I can tell who has potential in mafia, who is capable of leading, who is capable of communicating, I'm the #1 proponent of the three objectives, the least important of which is finding mafia . I am not useless, I'm just not a volume poster. I have stated my reasons for everything along the way. Also, everyone knows that the time I can spend on playing mafia tends to vary a bit, and that I don't really care.
I can use my reads to ascertain alignments and reconsider in light of new evidence. I'm not the slightest bit inclined to give a shit about dynamics, much like nobody should give a fuck about how NU/ myself read each other.
You have a weird way of complimenting people then.
I wasn't criticising how you were posting although I can see how I gave you that impression, more like what you were posting.
I can vote JAT with you. Sure, why not?
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On October 07 2016 19:13 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 19:09 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 19:06 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 19:03 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:59 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:50 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:38 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:31 Palmar wrote:
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This guy is my hero If you flip town we should probably lynch him for tmi. Eww gross post. On October 07 2016 18:41 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 17:42 Calix wrote:
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This is Grade A bullshit.
You're telling me that actively posing a question and accusing someone based on that and tunneling is 'comparatively passive'?
If that's passive then your posts are worthy of the Pulitzer prize. "Comparatively" as in "compared to nu". Yes, you did that stuff and I never said the whole thing makes you mafia. I just feel the general procedure of the argument was nu berating you (never really understood why he felt the need to do it since apparently you are "obvious town" to him) while you just went along with the shitshow. I just don't think that makes you town. Eww another gross post. Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless. You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless. What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it. The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you. Okay so you were just discrediting a town-read that Oats had even though you don't scum-read me either. Good to know. I did not say that either. You are somewhere between low end of null and scum. Haven't made up my mind yet. Duh, obviously you're not going to directly say that. You saw someone give out a town-read. Your first response was to attack the town-read even though you claim you don't scum-read me either. Your reasoning is that I'm "less townie than NU" (lol) This reads like scum rationale over a townie mindset. Are you intentionally misrepresenting me or just bad at reading? I saw someone throw out a reason to townread you which I think is faulty. I mentioned that. The end. Never said that I scumread you in this context or any of the other stuff you are saying right now. My only message was that the shitfight should be treated as NAI regarding you. Keep proving my point, lol. Why don't you case me and I case you if I'm 'null-scum'? Sound fair? I will case you whenever I think I need to which is not right now since I am not trying to lynch you. Since you seem to be trying to lynch me you should probably case me if you can though. So go ahead.
If you're not trying to lynch me then who are you trying to lynch?
And if you're not trying to lynch anyone then what are you doing again?
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On October 07 2016 19:16 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2016 19:14 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 19:13 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 19:09 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 19:06 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 19:03 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:59 Calix wrote:On October 07 2016 18:52 justanothertownie wrote:On October 07 2016 18:50 Calix wrote:
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Eww gross post.
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Eww another gross post.
Why would me being "passive compared to NU" mean anything? You're not actually accusing me of being passive in general, so your comment is meaningless.
You're not accusing me of being mafia. You just FELT the need to make a comment saying that I'm less townie than NU...but you don't think it makes me scum so again, this comment is meaningless.
What the fuck was the point? All you said was "Calix is less townie than NU" but you don't think I'm mafia either so it looks like you just posted some bullshit for the sake of posting it. The point was very simple. People (oats I think) called your shitfight obviously TvT. I disagree with that - this should not be a reason to townread you. Okay so you were just discrediting a town-read that Oats had even though you don't scum-read me either. Good to know. I did not say that either. You are somewhere between low end of null and scum. Haven't made up my mind yet. Duh, obviously you're not going to directly say that. You saw someone give out a town-read. Your first response was to attack the town-read even though you claim you don't scum-read me either. Your reasoning is that I'm "less townie than NU" (lol) This reads like scum rationale over a townie mindset. Are you intentionally misrepresenting me or just bad at reading? I saw someone throw out a reason to townread you which I think is faulty. I mentioned that. The end. Never said that I scumread you in this context or any of the other stuff you are saying right now. My only message was that the shitfight should be treated as NAI regarding you. Keep proving my point, lol. Why don't you case me and I case you if I'm 'null-scum'? Sound fair? I will case you whenever I think I need to which is not right now since I am not trying to lynch you. Since you seem to be trying to lynch me you should probably case me if you can though. So go ahead. If you're not trying to lynch me then who are you trying to lynch? And if you're not trying to lynch anyone then what are you doing again? I am lynching Palmar right now and have said that and also voted him for ages. That should be pretty obvious. I would love to keep listening to your bullshit but unfortunately I have to work now.
If your posts to Palmar were honest, legitimate attempts to divine his alignment then I'm going to eat a frog.
Enjoy!
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Palmar, maybe try voting yourself first? lol
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JAT is a million times better. Not even a contest there.
Didn't even realise that Damdred had two votes on him tbh.
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Since none of the hosts seem to be awake yet, this is a random Vote Count post.
Palmar (3): Marv, Koshi, JAT
Damdred (2): NU, Grackaroni
JAT (2): Calix, Palmar
This will be the part where everyone decides to veer off and do their own thing.
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On October 07 2016 20:34 Koshi wrote:
Well this Palmar / Marv fight was a letdown.
Agreed. Not enough melodrama, 3/10.
Probably TvT though.
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On October 07 2016 23:06 Koshi wrote:
I am not doing that at all. Not at fucking all. marv/JAT/Palmar and if a back up is needed I am thinking Damdred/Scott. Never did I want to go to you.
So do you currently think that Palmar/ Marv is some elaborate bussing scheme? And that scum!Palmar is supporting my push onto scum!JAT and giving me the credit for the push?
I guess it's possible, if we make the minor assumption that the entire scum team are so incompetent that they are failing to get any attention onto a town member.
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I'm only seeing a lazy Marv who is occasionally making good points when he's not being lazy. Where is the actual scum motivation in his posts? I don't see it.
I hear that said laziness is not AI for him.
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This is kind of why I don't think Palmar is scum either. Both of them are harping on about their ~speshul connection~ and how well they know each other, etc etc, so what I'm wondering is why either of them would (as scum) keep drawing attention to this while they are pushing each other.
It's poor play from scum because if one of them gets (mis) lynched then the other one looks absolutely terrible. All for the grand total of...one mislynch!
You'll notice this is a similar - if not identical - argument to what was being used with me at the start of the game when I was attacking NU. That's because it's a similar situation.
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He can have good instincts and he's improving but to call him a 'good' player is a stretch. (he has only been playing for a few months so this is naturally the case) This is largely due to his lack of persuasion abilities and tendency to troll.
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I stand by my case that neither of you are scum and I don't care to lynch among you two. The case against you is so weak that I can hardly remember what it even is and I don't feel like Palmar is scum.
We should discuss other players who have been out of the spotlight. I think Superbia has been lurking under the radar for one.
This is unproductive and taking up too much thread space compared to its significance imo.
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On October 08 2016 04:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 04:53 Calix wrote:
I stand by my case that neither of you are scum and I don't care to lynch among you two. The case against you is so weak that I can hardly remember what it even is and I don't feel like Palmar is scum.
We should discuss other players who have been out of the spotlight. I think Superbia has been lurking under the radar for one.
This is unproductive and taking up too much thread space compared to its significance imo. the problem is you're likely wrong and it's incredibly significant.
I might be going out soon, so if I do then I'll make a note to look over your Palmar argument and read his filter with it in mind since nobody will fucking talk about anything else.
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On October 08 2016 05:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2016 04:49 Calix wrote:
This is kind of why I don't think Palmar is scum either. Both of them are harping on about their ~speshul connection~ and how well they know each other, etc etc, so what I'm wondering is why either of them would (as scum) keep drawing attention to this while they are pushing each other.
It's poor play from scum because if one of them gets (mis) lynched then the other one looks absolutely terrible. All for the grand total of...one mislynch!
You'll notice this is a similar - if not identical - argument to what was being used with me at the start of the game when I was attacking NU. That's because it's a similar situation. In AI 2, Banana and Firebringer did a similar thing D1. They made a 1v1 and said that only one of them was going to be lynched that day and drew a lot of attention to themselves by doing so. Both were scum (Executioner vs. Godfather). I did a similar thing as Serial Killer in 3FaS with Unknown. Like I get that it's hard to conceive that scum would draw attention to themselves from a logical standpoint, but such situations have happened in the past. I won't push this any further as we're going in the wifom grounds. Also, I get the feeling that Palmar is not pushing Marv. His argument is basically that we should lynch marv when plamar flips. That's not really a push. More "fearmongering" as Koshi would say. I think I actually find marv more town than Plam in that 1v1.
If you put a gun to my head and told me to pick one then I agree that Marv is a dozen times townier than Palmar and if everyone insists that one of them must die today then I'm going with him.
I'm not sure if either of them are as...volatile as BC/ FB but it's not a bad counter point.
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I am of the opinion that the majority of the scum are among the less influential low-posters with one active person who is steering the thread in a direction that they want, so the lurkers are my default scum team for pretty much everyone, lol.
I'll look at JAT, one moment.
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