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On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf.
"Nothing here makes me 100% scum and I haven't scum-slipped yet so I will not counter anything she said."
I agree with Skynx, that read on him is wishy-washy as fuck. "not sure not sure"
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It's scum-indicative because you're back-tracking on your only stated 'scum-read' so far.
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On September 11 2016 22:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options. 1) One is hypocritical as you yourself mainly protected yourself and have overall reacted poorly pressure, also it is natural to foremost take on accusations against yourself as only you (or a cop) knows your alignment. This is nai to the extreme doesn't make anyone scum. 2) When night began I attacked the notion that calix was scum with super via across several posts as I thought that you had nothing to gain from doing what you did. Nu asked for opinions and mine directly countered thread sentiment. So this is a blatant lie and the examples are just wrong. 3) See two obviously can't be true, and I was the starter of some early opinions. 4) I wanted tt lynched not other people, I got the person who I wanted lynched. Not scum indicative and this harkens back,to 1. Nai As for wishy washy, yep I am sometimes I don't have perfect information so,I second guess myself whenever I can.
1. Er no, I have done considerably more than 'just defend myself'. I am not arguing that talking about/ defending yourself is scummy. I am arguing that ONLY talking about yourself is scummy.
Why would any town care to talk about themselves as much as you have when they should be focused on figuring out everyone else's alignment?
2. Explain why you felt the need to say "Calix defending TT is weird" then if you didn't think it was scummy. You were low-key agreeing with the idea that I was sketchy for defending TT's train. If you didn't think that made me suspicious, why did you do it again?
3. [citation fucking needed]
But let's assume you didn't make that shit up. Fire-starting is not a town tell. If anything, that's what scum do. They get other people to talk about and push their own ideas.
4. That doesn't mean you just stop talking about the other trains, wtf. You're telling me that you had no opinions you wanted to share about the EOD events? Not buying it. You got complacent with the ML and stopped posting anything constructive.
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On September 11 2016 22:54 Damdred wrote:
Shape doesn't know what to make of your inconsistencies, sees no reason that you should do what you did as scum.
You dropped your opinion while you were busy rehashing Shape's views, my dude.
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NU, go and read my filter if you want to see my reasoning.
Otherwise stop distracting everyone with your annoying "summary pls" posts.
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On September 11 2016 23:02 Palmar wrote:
Also I'm downgrading Calix to meh based on paranoia but not really interested in lynching yet.
Please tell us more about your self-aware paranoiak read, sir.
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On September 11 2016 23:05 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:48 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 22:42 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options. 1) One is hypocritical as you yourself mainly protected yourself and have overall reacted poorly pressure, also it is natural to foremost take on accusations against yourself as only you (or a cop) knows your alignment. This is nai to the extreme doesn't make anyone scum. 2) When night began I attacked the notion that calix was scum with super via across several posts as I thought that you had nothing to gain from doing what you did. Nu asked for opinions and mine directly countered thread sentiment. So this is a blatant lie and the examples are just wrong. 3) See two obviously can't be true, and I was the starter of some early opinions. 4) I wanted tt lynched not other people, I got the person who I wanted lynched. Not scum indicative and this harkens back,to 1. Nai As for wishy washy, yep I am sometimes I don't have perfect information so,I second guess myself whenever I can. 1. Er no, I have done considerably more than 'just defend myself'. I am not arguing that talking about/ defending yourself is scummy. I am arguing that ONLY talking about yourself is scummy. Why would any town care to talk about themselves as much as you have when they should be focused on figuring out everyone else's alignment? 2. Explain why you felt the need to say "Calix defending TT is weird" then if you didn't think it was scummy. You were low-key agreeing with the idea that I was sketchy for defending TT's train. If you didn't think that made me suspicious, why did you do it again? 3. [citation fucking needed] But let's assume you didn't make that shit up. Fire-starting is not a town tell. If anything, that's what scum do. They get other people to talk about and push their own ideas. 4. That doesn't mean you just stop talking about the other trains, wtf. You're telling me that you had no opinions you wanted to share about the EOD events? Not buying it. You got complacent with the ML and stopped posting anything constructive. 1) I am figuring out people's alignments, you just do not like how I am doing it. I have several posts where I am standing at points. And being self centered when .people are talking about lynching you isn't scum indicative. 2. Cause I thought you and grac might be scum. Then I almost instantly swap on grac in my next post. You forgot that one. I thought of town reasons it could be done. 3. You are basically saying here you didn't read my filter before you made your case. And once again you are forcing everything into a narrative on a conclusion you have already made. Which btw if you took the same tact you are handling,me,the same way nu scum read me and now you are using,it to throw shade under the cover. I don't think,that's the case but it's humorous. 4) I can do what hi want around lynch, I was relatively sure on tt. Can only lynch one person at a time anyway. This isn't alignment indicative in that case.
1. You keep saying random crap that doesn't line up with your filter but you never actually give examples, lol. Cite examples or your answers are empty air.
Oh I thought the Almighty Damdred couldn't get lynched on Day 1. I didn't realise that people wanted you lynched for most of the day, dearie.
2. Whoa whoa whoa, this is the first time you've actually said that you've scum-read me at any point. Call the fucking presses.
3. Not only did you not answer my questions, you make a feeble attempt to flip it back on me and accusing me of tunneling you and saying "you could be scum for this but nah but it's funny lol"
Do you always respond to scum-reads with "lol so funny xDDDDD"? Just curious.
4. Yes you can do what you want. I can do what I want when it comes to scum-reading you for complacency.
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Maybe if you actually did something, I'd be more inclined to not laugh at you whenever you post, hun.
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On September 11 2016 23:15 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 23:14 Calix wrote:
Maybe if you actually did something, I'd be more inclined to not laugh at you whenever you post, hun. talking to me?
Everyone else is doing stuff, so yes.
You are randomly talking about Grack and LWs and not being that engaged with the current discussion. What gives?
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I am also aware that Palmar is probably one of those unrealistically egotistical types. I've seen my fair share of those.
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On September 11 2016 23:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 23:17 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 23:15 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 23:14 Calix wrote:
Maybe if you actually did something, I'd be more inclined to not laugh at you whenever you post, hun. talking to me? Everyone else is doing stuff, so yes. You are randomly talking about Grack and LWs and not being that engaged with the current discussion. What gives? I don't know what the current discussion is, so I'm talking about things I like to talk about.
You are claiming to have missed the Skynx-Shapelog-Damdred-HF-TW posting that took place over the past few hours.
Legit.
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On September 11 2016 23:20 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 23:19 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 23:18 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 23:17 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 23:15 Palmar wrote:On September 11 2016 23:14 Calix wrote:
Maybe if you actually did something, I'd be more inclined to not laugh at you whenever you post, hun. talking to me? Everyone else is doing stuff, so yes. You are randomly talking about Grack and LWs and not being that engaged with the current discussion. What gives? I don't know what the current discussion is, so I'm talking about things I like to talk about. You are claiming to have missed the Skynx-Shapelog-Damdred-HF-TW posting that took place over the past few hours. Legit. can you summarize or do I have to go back and read?
Go masturbate over your uselessness in the corner with NU pls.
If everyone else has gone, I'm just going to check the thread from time to time.
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"overly hostile" - Good joke, Palmar.
On September 11 2016 23:26 Damdred wrote:
I say what I want when I want to, idk why that's so hard to understand.
And I don't get lynched d1, I never have nor will ever. So I'm glad you recognize my station as almighty just remember your place peon next time ty.
And as that which you aspire to be. Here is a sincere observation (no sarcasm), You are a good player I think, a bit rough around the edges (same can be said of nu). But you have the tendency to tunnel over things that don't make people scum and you are reading everything through a predetermined position rather than trying,to see all sides.
It really doesn't matter atm just an observation because generally you are enjoyable to read.
Ad as foe the other things I do understand that hi come off confusing at times with how I post, but I just post whatever jumps in,my,mind when I want to.
Any case keep on keeping on.
I feel like this post speaks for itself given it doesn't follow on from my response.
Second paragraph is just some pseudo-bragging about not getting lynched Day 1.
Third paragraph is an out-of-the-blue observation about my playstyle which is flattering in nature. I don't know why he felt like that was necessary as it has nothing to do with anything. Pitiful appeasement attempt if it was one.
Fourth paragraph inaccurately assumes that I was confused by anything he had posted.
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You can keep saying I'm stuck in a tunnel but you have still not given examples to back up your empty statements of "I am helping the town".
All I can see in your filter are posts that I read as "not scummy" and posts that are. I don't see any posts from you that are strongly townie.
It's not low IQ to conclude that the scum explanation for your posts outweighs the pitiful town explanation and then follow up on this.
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On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me.
You actually town-read his responses? He didn't respond to half of my points and brushed off my push as tunneling.
I feel like you are focusing on the wrong things here.
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On September 12 2016 00:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 00:04 Calix wrote:On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. You actually town-read his responses? He didn't respond to half of my points and brushed off my push as tunneling. I feel like you are focusing on the wrong things here. Town-read, no. I didn't scum-read them either. And lol @"he didn't respond to half of my points". When I was pushing you, you did not answer to all of my points either. That's not always AI. TW answered none of the 10+ questions I've asked him too. What are the right things I should be focusing on then?
That's not how it works. Damdred's scummy actions don't become less scummy just because he acted like non-scum elsewhere.
What do you make of TW and fuba's latest post?
When I said "the wrong things" I was complaining about you town-reading Vivax less because "his posts at EOD dropped in quality" even though this argument applies to most of the players in the game. It's a dumb reason to trust someone less is my point.
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On September 12 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 00:16 Calix wrote:On September 12 2016 00:12 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 12 2016 00:04 Calix wrote:On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. You actually town-read his responses? He didn't respond to half of my points and brushed off my push as tunneling. I feel like you are focusing on the wrong things here. Town-read, no. I didn't scum-read them either. And lol @"he didn't respond to half of my points". When I was pushing you, you did not answer to all of my points either. That's not always AI. TW answered none of the 10+ questions I've asked him too. What are the right things I should be focusing on then? That's not how it works. Damdred's scummy actions don't become less scummy just because he acted like non-scum elsewhere. Need I remind you that your actions were scummy af too? Does it make you scum? I don't think so. Why would it make DDD scum then? Don't remember TW's last post, and I did not read fuba's last post with a critical viewpoint. I liked the post, agreed with the points he made but did not dig into it in other words. Show nested quote +When I said "the wrong things" I was complaining about you town-reading Vivax less because "his posts at EOD dropped in quality" even though this argument applies to most of the players in the game. It's a dumb reason to trust someone less is my point. ~(o.o)~
To take a page from you for a moment, false equivalence. My actions are not scummy and my behaviour does not benefit the scum. You're just a scrub who thinks pronouns are a 'scum tell' rofl
I meant TW in general, not just his last post. Poor wording on my part.
O_O
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Vivax, let me know when you've finished catching up or whatever you're doing.
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I fail to see how you concluded 'null' after a ream of scummy or NAI behaviour unless you are really putting that much stock in your tone read.
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2 hours, I'm pretty sure.
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