On September 10 2016 08:30 Grackaroni wrote:I took some time to write up my perspective on this HF-TT thing.
Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 02:25 Holyflare wrote:
The only time I have seen someone defend someone so hard when they've done shit all the entire game and someone makes a case on them day 1 the defender has been mafia so probably Grack is actually the most suspicious of them all.
First, I don't know where all of this hyperbole is coming from. I don't have much of any opinion on Ticktock. He made 5 meh posts at the start of the game.
The point of my post on HF's TT case was entirely in relation to HF because I think I had some valid points to make about HF from that case, which I will try to make clearer.
This was my view on TT's posts:
Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 23:50 Vivax wrote:
Definitely not having the confidence HF has on TT based on so little. Remains nullish for me.
Really there's not much interesting in there. He makes 2 posts to say that he rolled scum. He makes 2 +1 posts. And then he gives some brief thoughts on the setup.
Now, there were three things from Holyflare that I did not like in the push that I alluded to earlier. The first one was this:
Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 11:10 Holyflare wrote:
Read his filter and look at how forced it looks that he's giving out reads such as "I like this post" and similar crap.
Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 09:47 Tictock wrote:On September 09 2016 06:59 Shapelog wrote:
Hmm, I wanted to say vivax came into the game and only has pointed out sus, things in other people's posts (aka following mafia agenda). But he did play around a little bit with skynx and palmar post.
I'll give you a fairly lazy townlean for this post.
Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote:On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised.
Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part.
"we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought.
Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still.
You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you.
Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but
To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot.
She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI.
Scum-reading Calix.
@Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar.
I like this guy, this is a solid post.
Contrast to Skynx here
On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote:
Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed.
First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening.
These were the posts in question. Does anyone agree with this assessment? They look like normal posts to me. I've definitely made posts like that as town.
The second thing was the focus on the talking about setup contradiction. Contradictions are only scummy if you can show some mafia motivation behind them. I don't see any here. I do, however, think you can pretty easily convince people that someone is scummy for contradicting themselves in some fluff post when their post shouldn't be viewed any differently than any other setup post. And frankly if you do think the contradiction was scummy (which I don't think you should), I will note that it wasn't even much of a contradiction to begin with. His main point was that we should just play the game like everyone is a VT.
The third thing was just the sheer certainty from Holyflare:
Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 10:48 Holyflare wrote:
I will never in 1000 fiery years vote anyone other than ticktock today.
I mean this is just weird to me. It's entirely possible Holyflare is just really full of his reads but it's still a lot. He's carried out this push throughout the rest of the day (and me by extension.)
Now, here are what I view as the mafia motivations for the 3 points:
For point #1: He seems to be twisting the filter to try to make it sound scummier than it actually is.
For point #2: I think he is focusing on a contradiction that he can portray as scummy when I think he should be good enough to realize that it isn't very alignment indicative. TT said he didn't like talking about the setup and then said something about the setup. So what?
For point #3: As town in Onegu 2 he sat back for the start of the day and didn't really push anybody until quite late in the day when he questioned Lunatic. At the end he tried to start a last minute wagon on Glowingbear and was unable to overcome my amazing Kushm4sta squirm case (which failed badly, but his case also failed. Really it was an entire game of fails.)
As scum in Star Wars he made an early case on Tumblewood and was more proactive.
I do believe that HF could be more inclined to try to put himself in a good position as scum and may have jumped out of the gate a tad bit early. He definitely cares a lot about his mafia record.
So these were the points I was trying to make. I'm not even convinced that I want to lynch HF but I still wanted to post something to preempt his shennanies.
EPT
